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TahoeSuburbanYukonEscalade is old technology and doesn't even belong in the same neighborhood as the QX. Face it, Japanese autos are taking the big three to the cleaners right now and it's going to get worse. My QX is currently getting 15 mpg. No way a GM suv is getting any better than this. As far as cabin noise goes read the Caddy wind noise forums. I have owned many large GM vehicles in the past. They do not compare. Sloppy handling, terrible trannys, sickening trade value, poor service. I have two business associates with QXs that have been problem free as well. This is a great suv. Get over it. You are one of the few.
Talk about apples and watermelons....
I'll also dispute that the Suburban even rivals the luxury in the QX. Have you sat in the '08 QX? My wife and I looked at practically everything in the class from Tahoe to Mercedes GL. While the Tahoe is very nice and a big improvement over the crap that GM put out before, there is no comparison to the QX. We even thought that the QX had more luxury toys than the Escalade. The Escalade has a beautiful exterior design, but lacked many of the toys that the QX has (HDD Nav, Bluetooth, keyless start, HDD stereo system, etc.). The Caddy does have cooled seats, but otherwise I can't think of one thing that the Caddy has but not the QX.
The Caddy is noticeably louder than the QX. Personally, I loved the throaty exhaust of the Caddy, but it would likely get tiresome over the long haul. Additionally, we looked at several Escalades at different dealers and most had fit/finish issues that we did not notice on the multiple QX's that we looked at. Finally, the Escalade/Tahoe/Denali/Suburban still have the live rear axle and no fold flat 3rd row. Talk about old technology!
We really wanted to like the Escalade, but the QX easily won out, not even considering the price difference. Other folks may have different priorities than us, but the finalist v. the QX was actually the brand new Sequoia.
Finally....why do you let so many people drive your QX?
Mine is only for my wife and I!!!! :shades:
Ummmm.... let's see???
Oh, I know B R A K E S?
The question has been asked, but have you even looked at the new '08 QX. There is no doubt that the '04/05's had some issues, but even Consumer Reports notes their dramatic improvement.
Personally, I love that the new GM SUVs come with an internal fireplace....you can't control when the fire starts, but hey...you can get it for those nice romantic getaways with your lady
As an aside, I clearly describe that we test drove the Escalade several times....and we're still choosing the QX...and no it is not the 15K (actually more like 3-4K) since the Escalade is going for several grand below invoice while the QX is well above invoice.
"Where are GM hybrid owners going to be in 3 or 4 years when those batteries and electronics crap out and need replacing."
I am personally in great support of the next stage of automotive development, for many reasons. In the interim period between the QX56 (which needs all of its towing ability to bring along an oil refinery) and 'emissions-free green energy', we have hybrids. While the technology isn't perfect, it is better than what we have. Speaking of 'old technology' in bashing the GM SUV's, consider that ALL vehicles not using a hybrid system are building on a motor that has been relatively unchanged since the late 1800's. Hybrid batteries are getting better, Toyota has had no significant battery system replacements in its Prius sedan, released to Japan in 1997. That's 10 years ago and its still purring! No moving parts? How is that unreliable! I'll send a post card when you're at the mechanics or the gas station.
I would be interested to hear what some others think about hybrid technology, in support or otherwise...would you buy a hybrid QX if it existed?
Also, I would NEVER buy a hybrid QX if they put all those nasty decals over the vehicle that GM is doing. I hate to bash GM, but even when they do something admirable, they whore it up to the point where it looks just like a two dollar prostitute. Very disappointing....
I managed to keep that QX for 40k miles - until the warranty was nearly out. I knew I had to dump it at that point. The brakes and rotors had been replaced too many times to count, the back up camera went from being all static to a line of static through the middle, when I put it in reverse, the back window on the hatch popped open, the relays for the power windows kept needing replaced (which meant they sometimes broke with the window in the open position and would not close), when locking the vehicle from the key fob, the right passenger door wouldn't lock, it made scraping sounds when the a/c was on, there were rattles and creaks, the rear sonar beeped continuously when I put the truck in reverse, the sunroof came off track and wouldn't close, the navigation system needed replaced, and the rear hatch wouldn't open from the key fob. My Infinity dealer fixed all of these problems, sometimes more than once, and gave me a loaner car each time. Unfortunately, I have 4 children and they don't have a loaner QX, so my kids couldn't fit in the car they loaned me.
I finally got tired of going to the dealer each month so I traded it in on an Escalade ESV. The Cadillac dealer didn't want the QX - they knew about all the problems. I got very little for my trade in but I was happy to leave that QX behind. I didn't even consider looking at the new QX but I can tell you I've had the Escalade for 7 months and all I've done is get the oil changed.
I also tried to trade in my QX @ the Lexus dealership on a LX470, but they had heard about the brake recalls and would not take it. I took a beatin and traded it on an 07 Escalade and have been happy ever since. The Escalade has never been to the dealership, only Walmart for routine oil changes! The Cadillac dealer who took my QX in trade had it sitting on their lot for 6 months and finally sold it @ an auction.
I keep forgeting that Infinity is just another word for Nissan, which has a long history of quality control problems. Since the early 1970's you could never compare a Nissan with a Toyota.
Engineering wise the QX is nothing more than a Nissan Titan with a topper on the back. This is the reason why your rotors kept failing. They did not compensate for the increased weight of the additional metal. Duh?
It will be interesting to see what Nissan replaces this outdated vehicle with.
At least the Escalade is built on it's own platform and not the Silverado/Tahoe's right? Exactly....economies of scale. All of these "luxury" vehicles are built upon their cheaper cousins.
Tahoe<Denali<Escalade
Land Cruiser<LX570
Armada<QX56
Expedition<Navigator
As far as Nissan fixing the brake problems? They went to larger rotors, but not sure they fixed the ABS & Vehicle skid control problems. Even if they did, I would never trust my childrens life in a vehicle made by a company who brought such an unsafe vehicle to market without testing it first. Even when the dealerships all knew they had a problem, the factory acted like "what brake problem" Surely Mercedes, Toyota, even Ford would not do that.
Infinity had similar brake problems on one of the sedan lines recently.
I'm glad you like yours, but I would suggest checking the brakes with every oil change.
Different engines- yes
Different suspension settings- I would imagine.
Same basic truck- yup
Sorry, but most of what you are stating as fact are merely opinions. And this is a person who looked hard at the Escalade and considered the Denali. I really wanted to like the Escalade and it does have some great qualities to it. But to say that it is not directly related to the Silverado/Tahoe/Yukon is a gross misstatement.
Car and Driver's Road Test of the Escalade in May 2006:
Of course, Cadillac wants us to look past any perception of pandering to the 15-minutes-of-fame folks and look at vehicle virtues. Of which there are many — for a vehicle of this type. The foundation, for example, is the new GMT900 full-size SUV and truck platform, a whole order of magnitude stiffer than its predecessor — 49 percent improved in torsional rigidity, according to Cadillac.
Furthermore, Car and Driver compared several luxo SUVs in Oct 2006 and guess what. The 2006 QX beat the new 2007 Escalade. The QX was the top rated "true" SUV behind the Q7 and the GL450. That was the older QX with the crappy interior beating the brand new Escalade.
Thoughts?
Funny, but you mentioned our 3 of our 4 finalists- QX, new Sequoia, and the Escalade. The GL450 was the other.
I felt like I got ripped off when they offered me less than trade in on my QX, but I watched it languish on their lot and they eventually lowered the price to what they gave me for it. That made me feel better about the low trade in value - I'm sure they lost money on it.
You guys spend too much time reading Car & Driver and not enough time thinking for yourself. Try something simple like NO BRAKES = DEATH. :lemon:
Try this.... Most Salespeople = Tell you whatever it takes to sell a vehicle :lemon:
Infinity = audio speakers
Infiniti = automobiles
You can also search defect investigations, view crash test results, etc.
I was quoted 520 for:
Front bumper
Headlights
Foglights
Door Edges
Door "cups" (the area behind the handles)
It just seems a bit steep to me...
TIA
Tuscan Pearl/Wheat
Tech Package
DVD Package
So far so good....we had an excellent dealership experience w/Charles Barker Infiniti in VA Beach. I kept waiting for them to try to pull something and they never did. They did not even push any of the warranty/maintenance plans- they simply showed what we could get and offered to answer any questions. Big kudos for that!
The funniest part....they don't put those nasty dealership stickers on the car. I asked why (I HATE them) and the sales manager said quite simply, "Mr. Barker believes those stickers lack class and our customers agree wholeheartily. Our best advertising comes from good customers". Very true!
And please and rate review your dealer too:
Dealer Ratings and Reviews
http://www.edmunds.com/infiniti/qx56/2008/review.html
The top picture is a 2004 and the bottom is a 2008.
The 20's are an improvement though personally I think 22's are optimum for this size of suv. The front and rear sensors are also an improvement. The question is without reading about the changes are you really able to tell the difference between a 2004 and 2008? I'd bet most couldn't.
I believe the original poster was wondering when a complete makeover might be in the works. The revisions that Nissan put into the 2008 would have no problem carrying over in a new redesign. I would think new sheetmetal would be required in the next two years. However based on Q sales I'm not so certain Mr. Ghosn would agree to that
Add to the new features that came with the '08 QX (HDD Nav, Hard Drive Music Box, keyless start, new one piece roof rails, etc.) and I'd say that it was a "significant" refreshening. It earned our $$$$.
Also, I don't forsee a new QX until 2010 at the earliest.
I have a '02 Denali which needs upgrading. I waited for GM's GMT 900 platform Denali with the 6.2. I was ready to buy one after looking at several other makes. Then I took a real good look at the front facia and decided I really couldn't live with it. I like the Tahoe but somehow buying a Chevy didn't seem the same. I never thought of buying an Escalade for the same reason I don't like the Denali now which is those vertical headlights. Oh well...maybe in 2010 with a makeover.....
One thing for sure the Sequoia never entered the picture and have you seen the price on the new Lexus LX570?