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The one caveat is that they have decreased supply from SIA, I think Toyota took over one of the assembly lines, so if certain models are in short supply, they might surprise us and decrease incentives.
My prediction? They'll stay flat. Just a hunch, though.
-juice
Regarding finance costs, you should definitely be informed before you buy. It depends on what you mean by "very good" credit -- if you shop around a good target would be 6% with no fees.
You don't have to get your financing through the dealer, though they may be able to land you a good rate.
-Steve
In the USA, Kenwood supplies the NAV system. Here, the update DVDs (there are 2) costs USD$238 for the pair, something like that, ordered directly from Kenwood.
Here is ours, for reference:
http://store.kenwoodusa.com/subaru/
You don't pay per year, it's not a subscription. You pay for a new set of DVDs, and the Tribeca has been out nearly two years, and the first update just came out, at least for the USA. The DVD is inserted under the driver's seat, IIRC.
So, shop around, ask around, maybe even go to Kenwood.com.uk (?) and look for it. I can't imagine the Euro one uses a different NAV supplier.
-juice
The maps that just came out are for North America, v2.0. Early ones had v1.0 or 1.1.
I would certainly go back to the dealer and ask for an update, if there is one available.
Remember, Europe got the Tribeca about a year after the US got it. They probably haven't even thought about map updates yet.
-juice
It is time for a change.
Looked at a subaru outback today.
Are all of you subaru owners happy with the car?
The only problem I had was with the SUS at 12000 miles. There was a hairline crack in the engine block. SOA replaced the short block and gave me a loaner during the repair. The first two cars were totaled in head on collisions (not my fault!) which I walked away from with a few brusises from the air bags.
The VDC now has about 60,000 miles on it and the only things I've done are oil changes and a set of brake pads at 40,000. If you're use to Volvo and Saab I would definitely take a look at the H-6 wagons. I've found the VDC to be very comfortable, quiet and pleasant driver. I've found myself much less likely to trade off Subarus after four years than other cars I've owned, which have included Hondas, Nissans and Mazdas.
No problems , the car just feels right. Had 3 Volvo's since
1957,all were great cars with no problems.Traded one for the
Subaru and the 1990 740 is still in use with 168K.
I highly recommend the H-6 Outback.
If the seats were not so comfortable, I think I would really dislike this car. As it is, I certainly would not consider buying another one (07).
Hope the quality isn't going as mainstream as thier recent styling changes.
I think I'll keep my '03 until they work things out.
Wife has a Legacy. Dad has an Outback. Sis has a Forester. Bro has a Legacy.
It's contagious. :shades:
#3 was a 99 Legacy GT sedan, traded at 125k for the new turbo GT. #2 was a 96 Outback wagon traded at 85k, because my wife thought the new Seamist Green color was pretty. #1 was a 92 Loyale 4wd 5-speed traded for the automatic sedan, because the dw refused to drive a standard.
All were relatively trouble-free. I expect to be trading the Outback for a new one in the next 18 months. Go for it! Rob M.
I suppose I was spoiled by my previous car (a Honda Accord) which had essentially no problems (besides parts that wore out) for 6 1/2 years. After reading the commentary here, I am bracing myself for more problems but keeping my fingers crossed.
The 4 wheel drive does rock though.
I loved the AWD and the overall reliability and would buy one again.
Things I did not like (and part of the reasons I sold the 2002 last year) are these:
- they are not built for tall people. The seats have short bottom cushions and are not quite up to the comfort of a Honda seat. (Comparing LL Bean to Accord or Odyssey with leather here). No telescoping wheel (though that should be fixed in 2008 Legacys and Outbacks).
- The auto tranny at that time was a 4 speed and nothing special. It tended to not be in the right gear.
- The dealers by me were okay but generally not convenient (hours) as others.
All said and done I would consider one again but I have to say I have enjoyed the over all ownership experience of Hondas more (slightly more reliable and better dealers and better ergonomics for tall people).
But that is just me and Subarus are nice cars and a little more off the beaten path than a Honda or Toyota. That part I liked.
I now own a 2001 Outback Limited Auto wagon with 110,000 miles. I beat on this with 38,000 commuter miles a year for two years. Now I work from home so it does not get as much work.
This car gets all the routine maintenance. The only sticklers:
- The brake rotors warp. Even with my new brakes I have had them smoothed a number of times.
- The auto transmission HATES to downshift unless I slam on the gas.
- I had my head gasket work done at 105,000 miles. They started to leak, but I did very well lasting that long.
Well, I live in New England so there are so many VERY LOYAL Subaru owners on the road here. And, we love to talk about them
I am holding out for my next Outback, in RED again ( I have Winestone now) with Navigation!!
My driving style is not agressive never go over 4k rpm always between 2.5 and 3.5k 80% highway 20 city.
check this web site http://www.subaruproblems.com/
-mike
If you are gonna do that at least get the pic right.
-mike
I was very surprised by the pricing.
Wow.
I'm a cheap skate that doesn't need a car and I still wouldn't hesitate to pull the trigger on that deal; great price...
23 Civic Type-R / 22 MDX Type-S / 21 Tesla Y LR / 03 Montero Ltd
So far warranty repairs on my new Outback have been done satisfactorily.
Both were from the Chicago show earlier this year.
-juice
That service isn't due until 105k miles, FWIW.
-juice
Satisfactory is of course better than unsatisfactory.
But the best is if the car never needs warranty service. Because if you bring the car in for warranty service, it's inevitably time and aggravation.
For example, I never had to bring my 2000 Honda Accord in for warranty service ever. Maybe I'm spoiled, but this seems like a reasonable expectation to me for a modern car.
Honda had issues with their auto trannies on some of the V6 models right around then, so you probably had the 4 cylinder (either that or you were lucky).
-juice
I am not happy with the fact that all of my warranty problems thus far are most likely to recur but, were I less picky about it, none of them actually affect the performance of the vehicle - just the enjoyment of it.
In the end though, if warranty work is needed, my preference is for it to be done well and without hassle. That is satisfactory (to me), and that is how it has thus far been performed.
I agree that there's some luck involved, but my unscientific impression is that you have a better chance of being lucky if you buy a Honda.
-juice
The reason is that i've been to about 7 dealers already and i'm getting totally conflicting reports. Some are willing to sell at almost (invoice - $750). But then others won't budge any less than 1000 below MSRP. My friend bought one recently for $1300 below invoice + TTL. Some dealers say supply is tight, and demand is high. But i think supply is pretty good, and everyone really is going for the Outback.
I am now aiming for (Invoice - $1000.00 + TTL). Is this reasonable.
Any input would be appreciated !
-mike
If somebody hires me to perform services, and I delegate those services to Mr. Incompetent who screws things up, am I gonna shrug my shoulders and say "Hey, I have no control over Mr. Incompetent"? Of course not. I'm going to apologize and do everything I can to make things right. And I will fire Mr. Incompetent if he doesn't clean up his act.
Just my humble opinion.
-mike
1) Go at the end of the month
2) Use Edmunds dealer quote to obtain internet quoted from dealers. I received 4 quotes and all were well below the price offered at the dealership. I asked the sales manager about it and he said that internet quotes are "always" lower. My price was 22175 on a 2.5i outback wagon, a full 1550 under invoice with a money factor of .0024 and a residual of .58 on a 36 month lease. $485.00 down. The dealer thas sent me that quote was about 45 minutes from my house...so I literally had the dealer close to my home print the email and show it to his finance manager. We shook hands 30 seconds later. Hope this helps someone in their buying/leasing experience.