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2013 and Earlier - Jeep Wrangler Prices Paid and Buying Experience

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  • u8everythingu8everything Member Posts: 13
    In my research I found this over at ask yahoo. It doesn't deal with your soft top leaking question but offers a little insight into other aspects of the 07's. Hope it helps somebody here.
    I have had a 97 and 2001 wrangler and have just purchased the 2007 2door X I have had it only a week and have only minor complaints. I don’t know what the jeep engineers were thinking when they removed the fold and tumble seats. You must be really athletic and skinny to enter the back seat. This renders the jeep strictly as a 2 passenger vehicle only. Also Jeep states there is more interior room but I disagree; there used to be space under the back seat to store small items such as jumper cables(in the 2007 the rear bench seat sits on the floor); also the area in front of the seats is smaller(I have taken my floor mats from my 2001 and put them in the 2007 and they don’t fit because they are too large).

    This is the stupidest modification they added to the 2007 wrangler and shows how out of touch the jeep engineers are with people that use the soft-top. The rear window in previous jeeps used to snap into metal brackets at the top of the jeep frame; now they use removable plastic brackets???????! So every time you want to remove or add the rear window the plastic brackets pop off adding several annoying minutes to the task. The refitted window never fits the same after the 1st removal. I just don’t understand the function for that modification. Nothing could justify the plastic brackets in my opinion.

    Overall I am not overly impressed with the new modifications from the 2001 to the 2007. Nothing wows you however I do not off road that often. I like the subtle standard options such as abs, Electronic Stability Program, and the layout of the instrument panel and center console.
  • mac24mac24 Member Posts: 3,910
    Is an interrogation part of the whole scheme of things here or what? Why I posted is my business.............

    Your first post here borders on rudeness and you're upset when you're challenged? :surprise:

    I suggest you grow a thicker skin as I'll challenge you anytime you want to question my integrity. I'll state quite categorically, nobody pays me to make posts here (though maybe someone will offer me something not to post. ;) )

    I don't know what future values will be for the new Wrangler and neither does anyone else. For the future doesn't relinquish details like that. I owned a Corvette for 5 years and yes, they depreciate too, no matter what one might have heard.

    It's generally understood all readily available vehicles will depreciate in the short term. It shouldn't really be necessary to explain each time that Wrangler's depreciation record is excellent in comparison to other vehicles.

    Finally, I don't think anyone here claimed to predict the future, and I don't remember anyone claiming to have heard that Corvettes don't depreciate (I'm not sure why you brought that up?). There was nothing in your first post (or your second) that indicated a desire for research or information on pricing...........they were purely confrontational!
  • mac24mac24 Member Posts: 3,910
    ......anyone have problems with the soft top leaking?

    Yes, there have been isolated reports of leaks with both hard and soft tops on the '07 models, as there have been on previous models. However, at the moment, there is nothing to indicate a design issue, rather one of quality control or incorrect fitting.
  • kyfdxkyfdx Moderator Posts: 234,725
    Stick to prices, please.. not posts about tops leaking or posts about each other..

    Thanks!

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  • mac24mac24 Member Posts: 3,910
    Gladly! :)

    Maybe one of the hosts could move posts #314 and #317 to the 2007 Jeep Wrangler forum?
  • kyfdxkyfdx Moderator Posts: 234,725
    One of the hosts will just let the rest of you take up those discussions where appropriate.. ;)

    Of course, posts directed at other members aren't appropriate at any time...

    Thanks for your continued participation and support.. And, mac24? I want my cut of that money from Jeep..

    regards,
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  • u8everythingu8everything Member Posts: 13
    I'm still waiting for their quote on the 2 door Sahara model. This is what I was quoted on a 4 door version (I've heard they're in more demand so maybe a 2 door is a better deal?) 07' Wrangler Unlimited Sahara 4WD. List, $29,925. Asking $27,499. Maybe this will help somebody.
  • jeepfan69jeepfan69 Member Posts: 3
    Hi all, I ordered an 07 Wrangler Sahara Unlimited with auto and the hardtop 2 weeks ago. After going to a few dealerships in my area I finally found one that would participate in the affiliate rewards program that is available to me from my company. In the end I am paying 26,594.00 minus tax ++ for the car. My questions are the following:
    1) I have a control number that was given to me by the dealership. I was told that I could check on status with this number, however the dealership had no idea how I could verify this information. Any help here?
    2) I was also told that it would take 8-12 weeks for delivery. Is this normal? What has been the typical wait time for delivery?
    3) Is there a point in time when the factory stops producing the '07 model and begins production on the '08?

    Sorry for the rambling...seems like this will be the longest 2-3 month wait of my life. Hope it doesn't turn out to be 5-6 months!

    Thanks for your help in advance.
  • mac24mac24 Member Posts: 3,910
    I think you'll be getting one of the very last '07s as the current lead time is 16-18 weeks and the first build of the '08s are supposed to be at the end of July/ beginning of August. The good news is that nothing is on hold or delay at the moment.

    Try the contact link at Jeep.com to check on that control number.
  • cali_dvrcali_dvr Member Posts: 18
    Looking at a 2006 Rubicon at my local dealership. 3200 miles with both tops. They are asking $28,999 for it!! :surprise:

    It amazes me because the dealership has 3 2006 Rubicons total. Two of which the senior salesperson as he was referred to as said they were from the Jeep Jamboree. Now from a friend of mine that has a Jeep Jamboree Rubicon and knowing what he paid for it as an employee it KILLS me to think they are asking these prices.

    Has anyone had any luck negotiating a price down from 28 to closer to what the dealership paid for it (I know they did not spend over 15 for it). Also the dealer was trying to say that technically they are still considered "new" cars. Is there a way to see what the dealership paid for them?

    This dealership kills me because it is a "5 Star" dealership but is nothing short of rude and "high" pressure.
  • mac24mac24 Member Posts: 3,910
    The last build of any model, unless it was a particularly awful vehicle, isn't usually a firesale item. There will always be people that don't like the appearance or features of the replacement model and will actually pay a premium to get the last of the old ones.

    The best time to get a great deal on an 'end of the line' is when the new model has been announced but before it actually appears in the dealerships. At that stage dealers usually have plenty of the old models left and demand is starting to die.

    However, once they're down to the last two or three it's become a rare and valuable item! :)
  • u8everythingu8everything Member Posts: 13
    The yr-to-date sales stats on the Wrangler 07' from Auto News. Last week 1272 Wranglers were built. 6994 total for the month of March. 17012 total yr-to-date. A bit more confusing are the stats on the Wrangler Unlimited. Last week 1533 were built. 8430 for the month of March, and so far this year 26713 have been produced. Seems as if these numbers don't jibe however.
  • u8everythingu8everything Member Posts: 13
    Ebay 07' Wrangler prices. Also one of the dealers stated the following: Any truth to this? Jeep also has a hold on all new rubicons due to the fact they cant get the drive train parts fast enough as they are selling faster then they can make them!
    All are 2-doors 4WD 07' Wranglers.
    New Rubicon, window $29,890, asking price $27,500.
    Used Rubicon (3K miles), window $28,105 asking price $25,500.
    New Sahara window $27,065, asking price $24,827
    New Sahara window $25,980, asking $24,175
    New Sahara window $28,280, asking $25,217
  • mac24mac24 Member Posts: 3,910
    No reported production holds at the moment, still 16-18 weeks lead time. However, it is true that virtually all Wranglers are being sold within a few days of arrival at the dealerships.

    Is your username an indication that you're very fat, or that you're a misanthrope? :P
  • u8everythingu8everything Member Posts: 13
    What's your problem dude? Misanthrope is a person who hates or distrusts humankind. Better look in the mirror dude.
  • giantsin06giantsin06 Member Posts: 63
    You probably aren't very fat either . ;)
  • mac24mac24 Member Posts: 3,910
    What's your problem dude?

    I was lightheartedly (note the Emotorcon) referring to your username, which phonetically indicates either "You hate everything", or that "You ate everything".

    Obviously there's another meaning and I'm sorry you feel insulted. Have a nice day.
  • trin64trin64 Member Posts: 2
    Hi, I'm looking to buy the sahara unlimited. I did read some reviews about unlimited owners having their engines cut out (turn off) on them while driving. Does anyone know anything about this? Any information would be appreciated. I want to know if I should wait for this to be fixed, or if it is just a random issue with some of them.

    Thanks a lot!!
  • jeepfan69jeepfan69 Member Posts: 3
    Hi mac,

    I called DC and found out that the order is in BG - (order has passed edit but cannot be scheduled regardless of sold status).

    When I called the dealer he "checked into it" and told me that it was in this status due to the Hard Top order that I placed. at which point he stated that if i got a soft top I should have no problem with delivery. I definitly want the HT but i am wondering if you have heard about any issues in the past with delivery being halted due to no hard tops being out there? Seems weird that DC would make such a huge mistake on ordering with the amount of volume that they are supposedly selling.

    Thanks for your help.

    Later
  • mac24mac24 Member Posts: 3,910
    As of this morning nothing has changed since last time; 16-18 weeks, no holds. However Wranglers, like most vehicles, are usually built in batches with similar options, and DC works with suppliers on a 'just in time' basis, so it's quite possible that your order is waiting for the next batch with your particular options.

    A 16-18 week lead time when the usual wait is 4-6 weeks indicates that they're flooded with orders and working like crazy. :)
  • I'm one of those silly folk that chased the few remaining 2006 models as mac24 insightfully stated in his reply. If you're still interested in pricing, here's the dealer invoice sheet I received while working with Akins Ford Jeep in Winder, GA. Really easy transaction via phone...didn't get the lowest price because they obviously knew I was interested or I wouldn't have been calling them from Michigan. I'm not disappointed at all paying $600 over invoice because I really wanted it and was just happy it was just as they stated..."New." I had already been told that by other dealers only to find it had already been titled to dealership owners who used them on weekends or other various stories of why they said it was "new" but not really. Also, had a few shots at used "Rubicons" only to find they were not "Rubicons" but non-Rubicon Unlimited models with "Rubicon" decals on their hoods. Had to argue with a few used car dealers trying to convince them their vehicles were not "real" Rubicons and they're trying to sell them at used Rubicon prices. Also looked over a few private sale ones where I wasn't too happy with their after-market installations. So, I feel rather "lucky" to have been able to still get a true, new 2006 in the solar yellow I had wanted to find.

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  • giantsin06giantsin06 Member Posts: 63
    You're not so silly: Getting what you wanted is a success.And I bet it's much easier to get into your back seat than it is on my 07 Rubicon. That situation is a disgrace to the engineers .
    We had a 2001 Solar yellow Wrangler Sport . Watch out....that color is a cop-magnet .
    Congratulations. Enjoy the hell out of your JEEP. :)
  • jeepfan69jeepfan69 Member Posts: 3
    Mac,

    Found out from annother site that the last day to plave an order for the rescue green was 3-15 (or somewhere around then. Coupled with the issue with the Hard Top manufactuer looks like I wont get the car I ordered.

    The dealer just called me and said that there is no chance that I will get the car that ordered. Bummer will ahve to wait for the 08 model year.

    Thanks for dealing with me and I appreciate your input.

    See you in a few months...hopefully I will be posting info about my mods!

    Later

    :shades:
  • mac24mac24 Member Posts: 3,910
    Looks like you did ok to me! :)
  • mac24mac24 Member Posts: 3,910
    Thanks for dealing with me and I appreciate your input.

    You're welcome. I don't think that owning an '08 will make you suffer too much! :shades:
  • The solar yellow sure does stand out and it crossed my mind a few times driving it back to Michigan from Georgia as I passed each state's finest...at posted speeds of course :blush:

    Nice to hear your positive remarks as well as Mac24's...I should now admit that I already own an '05 Wrangler Unlimited (non-Rubicon auto trans). I just had to have one more "new" "old style" in the Rubicon package with stick. I just love my TJ (LJ to be precise from what I've read). I think I now realize what CJ and YJ folks must have felt about the arrival of TJ/LJs...you just love the one you have so much that you hate to see it no longer manufacturered. I'd like to say I may even own a JK as well after it's worked through any "growing pains"(in addition...not instead of my TJ/LJs). Clearly my wife must love Jeeps, too, since she actually let me get away with owning two Wranglers...she loves her Liberty...I'm well beyond being "biten" by the Jeep Bug...I'm well on my way to being diagnosed with Jeep-mania! :D
  • timwhitetimwhite Member Posts: 7
    Does anyone know the holdback (in terms of percent, or actual dollars) on the 07 Sahara? Im looking at one that MSRP's at 24,755, and invoices at 22,901.

    My last 2 wranglers i bought for $100 over invoice each. Is it reasonable to think i can get the sahara above for $23,000?
  • mac24mac24 Member Posts: 3,910
    Is it reasonable to think i can get the sahara above for $23,000?

    Doesn't sound unreasonable to me but a dealer may think otherwise. ;)

    Seriously, it dependes entirely on the business model of the dealer. Does he sell everything for sticker after two or three days on the lot, or does he maybe need one more sale before the end of the month to get into the level of discount.

    Shopping to buy will get you the best price, shopping for figures won't.
  • timwhitetimwhite Member Posts: 7
    At least one company on the net says i can place an order from them, have it shipped to my local dealer, for invoice MINUS holdback... this sounds too good to be true... any thoughts? or is this common? or a scam?
  • mac24mac24 Member Posts: 3,910
    Would that be Jeep Warehouse? If so, they're genuine enough. You'll have to pay for shipping to your local dealer though.

    Only three days left to order an '07! :)
  • timwhitetimwhite Member Posts: 7
    Ive always heard that NADA was the correct guide to use on trade ins, but lately it seems local dealers are trying to use Kelly Blue Book (with much lower trade in values)... any advice on which is more fair?
  • timwhitetimwhite Member Posts: 7
    should i wait 3 days, and order an 08 then? are the new features/options/pricing available?
  • mac24mac24 Member Posts: 3,910
    There is no 'correct' guide. Until the guide publishers start offering to buy your vehicle at the quoted price, they will always be nothing more than very rough estimates.

    A dealer will never want to pay more for your vehicle than he can either buy or sell an identical one for at auction. You are unlikely to have access to those figures, but I guarantee they'll be lower than you think yours is worth.

    For an accurate idea of the actual value of your trade-in, go to CarMax. They'll give you a realistic trade price and actually buy it from you for that price too.
  • mac24mac24 Member Posts: 3,910
    should i wait 3 days, and order an 08 then? are the new features/options/pricing available?

    It's up to you but you don't have long to make up your mind. :)

    Apart from being a model year younger (and probably a bunch of unseen bug fixes), there's not much difference in the '08s
  • featherzfeatherz Member Posts: 26
    As a former TJ owner, been looking at an 07 Wrangler X on a dealer lot. The 'internet specialist' and I are about $500 different on the 'invoice' price, but he is offering $250 over 'his' invoice. What do you think about this?

    Wrangler X (2 door) Manual tranny
    Package 23C (a/c, seats, console)
    Trailer Tow Group
    Floor Mats (LOL)
    Trac-Loc
    Fog Lamps
    Freedom Hard Top
    Locking fuel cap
    Tow Hooks

    Dealer states invoice is $21,236, but unless I am calculating incorrectly Edmunds states invoice at 20,713. In either case, he is asking $21,486 not including T/T/L. Good deal or?

    I'd actually prefer one with fewer options, but I kinda like the idea of the 'freedom top' and this is the color I am looking for (I wanted blue or khaki).

    Financing rates are horrible right now it seems, so I am bringing own financing (5.8%, still more than I'd like to pay) and dealer is aware of that so that's probably why the 'eh' deal.
  • mac24mac24 Member Posts: 3,910
    Advertising fees that are billed directly to the dealer by DC are often not included in the Edmunds invoice. Just compare the line items to see where the discrepancy lies.

    Maybe you can do better elsewhere, maybe not. How much is your time worth?
  • kgabehurtkgabehurt Member Posts: 84
    I too have been scouring the internet for Jeep prices. the best I've found are at Carmax. The only problem is they're only have 3 jeep dealerships. A Rubicon with manual and hard top lists at $30758 they want $28258. They show an invoice of $28440. A Sahara lists for $27700 asking $25000, invoice $25306. Looks to me anyway that under invoice is a possibility now. Don't know what it was like when they first came out because I was looking at a Harley. Not anymore for a buddy of mine lost his leg last month on one.
  • mac24mac24 Member Posts: 3,910
    A Jeep is a good alternative to a bike IMHO. On the race track is the safest place to ride. Never anything coming towards you, or pulling out in front of you from a side turning. With a car it's just an insurance claim, but with a bike it's often a limb or your life. :sick:

    Carmax generally has a pretty good rep, though individual stores may vary.
  • kgabehurtkgabehurt Member Posts: 84
    I agree. Does anyone know what the current production mix is with the Wrangler? I just don't see many Rubicon models on dealer inventories. Carmax has only 1 at 3 dealerships? Many Sahara models though.
  • mac24mac24 Member Posts: 3,910
    Rubicon production has been held way back due to component supply difficulties. Current '07 production ceases in a few weeks, last orders by the 17th.
  • kgabehurtkgabehurt Member Posts: 84
    They must have pretty good demand business to run out of supplies. Which makes these below invoice prices pretty good deals. Very informative posts here and I thank everyone for their input. An informed consumer has a better chance in life I'd say.
  • timwhitetimwhite Member Posts: 7
    Just got an offer price of $200 over invoice on a Sahara... It does have a hardtop, which i didnt really want (to pay for!)...

    1. Can they remove the hard top, and discount the price? They said something to the effect that doing that is illegal (because of the sticker)?

    2. Anyone know the current Residual rates and money factors on the 07 Sahara? (for a 39-month, 12K lease)... do they have flexibility in these numbers?

    3. They are offering $1900 UNDER NADA trade in for my 01 Jetta as a trade in... does that seem excessive? The same dealership just gave my friend the same $200 over invoice deal on a Wrangler X-C pkg, plus gave him $500 OVER NADA trade in on a Mazda 3. Any thoughts or suggestions?

    thanks in advance

    PS. Im in New England if it matters
  • kgabehurtkgabehurt Member Posts: 84
    If Carmax can sell $300 under invoice on a $31K Rubicon I'm sure others can come close to those type of deals. Push them for more $ on your used vehicle for many dealerships today make little on the new vehicle sale and more on the used trade side of the equation.
  • kgabehurtkgabehurt Member Posts: 84
    Regarding an 08' Rubicon. This is what a dealer e-mailed me: We will have 08 Rubicon's in October, anytime sooner we'll call you.
  • kgabehurtkgabehurt Member Posts: 84
    Your posts seem most informative so I'll ask you why won't 08' Rubicon models appear until October as I was told? Seems is if 07' production concludes this month won't the plants start immediately making 08' models? Or is this supply disruption you mentioned still a problem?
  • Check out my previous post #335 to see image of my dealership's invoice pricing. As Mac24 states, the $500 difference likely arises from your invoice number not including a couple regional advertising line items the dealer gets charged per unit. These are buried in MSRP but get called out individually on the dealer's invoice.
  • mac24mac24 Member Posts: 3,910
    Ok, in regard to October Rubicons, how much credence do you usually place on what car salesmen tell you? (sorry salesmen :blush: )

    Last orders for '07s were taken today. They still have to be built, and the lead time is 16-18 weeks. Everything then has to be set for '08 production. Pre-production vehicles are built to learn how to deal with the differences to the previous models. There's a lot more to it than a change of VIN and color choice, then hitting the 'Start' button to get the line rolling.

    Nobody knows what the production mix will be at this point. Customer orders, dealers orders, and component availability from outside suppliers will all play a part
  • kgabehurtkgabehurt Member Posts: 84
    Being from the accounting world I would think they, Chrysler/Jeep, would have their supply problems ironed out by now seeing how the new Wrangler line has been one of the bright spots in an all too dismal car environment. Heck even Toyota said that things are getting tough for them too. Why is the lead time 16-18 weeks so long? I thought it took only 2-3 assembly line work days to assemble a car from start/finish. I understand the transportation issue is at least 3 weeks but 4-5 months seems like eternity to an industry that is experiencing some hard times.
  • mac24mac24 Member Posts: 3,910
    It's because it's so successful that the lead time is so long. If you can build ten a week and have orders for a hundred.....

    I don't know the exact details of the component supply issues, but I'd guess that with virtually all manufacturers using the JIT (just in time) model for component supply, coupled with DC's abysmal record in their relationships with their suppliers, that most of their outside suppliers would be reluctant to extend themselves in any way.

    However, overshadowing all of this is the recent sale of Chrysler to Cerberus. Jeep Wrangler is successful because of the vehicle design, not because DC is a great company or Jeep is a great division. Cerberus is an aggressive company using a high degree of leverage to finance their purchases. They're in business to make money (not cars), and so far their investors are happy.

    I don't see them doing anything detrimental to the Wrangler, though there's a lot else to trim at Jeep. It's quite probable that Wrangler production will be straightened out, and that Jeep will be then spun off, possibly at a price that's in excess of the total acquisition price of Chrysler. Take a look at their recent record in the car rental business!
  • kgabehurtkgabehurt Member Posts: 84
    There's already been discussion/speculation of Cerberus doing just that with the Jeep line. I can guarantee you one thing regarding Cerberus there will be more employee terminations and further cost cutting. Just look at the definition of the word. As you alluded to they're in the business to make money, and nothing else. If I was an employee at Chrysler I wouldn't be buying a house right now. I didn't realize how popular the new Wranglers are until I posted here. Thanks much. And once again I'd love to have a Harley but my brain is over riding my impulses. The black Rubicon 2-door I saw looked pretty cool.
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