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I have had a 97 and 2001 wrangler and have just purchased the 2007 2door X I have had it only a week and have only minor complaints. I don’t know what the jeep engineers were thinking when they removed the fold and tumble seats. You must be really athletic and skinny to enter the back seat. This renders the jeep strictly as a 2 passenger vehicle only. Also Jeep states there is more interior room but I disagree; there used to be space under the back seat to store small items such as jumper cables(in the 2007 the rear bench seat sits on the floor); also the area in front of the seats is smaller(I have taken my floor mats from my 2001 and put them in the 2007 and they don’t fit because they are too large).
This is the stupidest modification they added to the 2007 wrangler and shows how out of touch the jeep engineers are with people that use the soft-top. The rear window in previous jeeps used to snap into metal brackets at the top of the jeep frame; now they use removable plastic brackets???????! So every time you want to remove or add the rear window the plastic brackets pop off adding several annoying minutes to the task. The refitted window never fits the same after the 1st removal. I just don’t understand the function for that modification. Nothing could justify the plastic brackets in my opinion.
Overall I am not overly impressed with the new modifications from the 2001 to the 2007. Nothing wows you however I do not off road that often. I like the subtle standard options such as abs, Electronic Stability Program, and the layout of the instrument panel and center console.
Your first post here borders on rudeness and you're upset when you're challenged? :surprise:
I suggest you grow a thicker skin as I'll challenge you anytime you want to question my integrity. I'll state quite categorically, nobody pays me to make posts here (though maybe someone will offer me something not to post. )
I don't know what future values will be for the new Wrangler and neither does anyone else. For the future doesn't relinquish details like that. I owned a Corvette for 5 years and yes, they depreciate too, no matter what one might have heard.
It's generally understood all readily available vehicles will depreciate in the short term. It shouldn't really be necessary to explain each time that Wrangler's depreciation record is excellent in comparison to other vehicles.
Finally, I don't think anyone here claimed to predict the future, and I don't remember anyone claiming to have heard that Corvettes don't depreciate (I'm not sure why you brought that up?). There was nothing in your first post (or your second) that indicated a desire for research or information on pricing...........they were purely confrontational!
Yes, there have been isolated reports of leaks with both hard and soft tops on the '07 models, as there have been on previous models. However, at the moment, there is nothing to indicate a design issue, rather one of quality control or incorrect fitting.
Thanks!
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Maybe one of the hosts could move posts #314 and #317 to the 2007 Jeep Wrangler forum?
Of course, posts directed at other members aren't appropriate at any time...
Thanks for your continued participation and support.. And, mac24? I want my cut of that money from Jeep..
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1) I have a control number that was given to me by the dealership. I was told that I could check on status with this number, however the dealership had no idea how I could verify this information. Any help here?
2) I was also told that it would take 8-12 weeks for delivery. Is this normal? What has been the typical wait time for delivery?
3) Is there a point in time when the factory stops producing the '07 model and begins production on the '08?
Sorry for the rambling...seems like this will be the longest 2-3 month wait of my life. Hope it doesn't turn out to be 5-6 months!
Thanks for your help in advance.
Try the contact link at Jeep.com to check on that control number.
It amazes me because the dealership has 3 2006 Rubicons total. Two of which the senior salesperson as he was referred to as said they were from the Jeep Jamboree. Now from a friend of mine that has a Jeep Jamboree Rubicon and knowing what he paid for it as an employee it KILLS me to think they are asking these prices.
Has anyone had any luck negotiating a price down from 28 to closer to what the dealership paid for it (I know they did not spend over 15 for it). Also the dealer was trying to say that technically they are still considered "new" cars. Is there a way to see what the dealership paid for them?
This dealership kills me because it is a "5 Star" dealership but is nothing short of rude and "high" pressure.
The best time to get a great deal on an 'end of the line' is when the new model has been announced but before it actually appears in the dealerships. At that stage dealers usually have plenty of the old models left and demand is starting to die.
However, once they're down to the last two or three it's become a rare and valuable item!
All are 2-doors 4WD 07' Wranglers.
New Rubicon, window $29,890, asking price $27,500.
Used Rubicon (3K miles), window $28,105 asking price $25,500.
New Sahara window $27,065, asking price $24,827
New Sahara window $25,980, asking $24,175
New Sahara window $28,280, asking $25,217
Is your username an indication that you're very fat, or that you're a misanthrope? :P
I was lightheartedly (note the Emotorcon) referring to your username, which phonetically indicates either "You hate everything", or that "You ate everything".
Obviously there's another meaning and I'm sorry you feel insulted. Have a nice day.
Thanks a lot!!
I called DC and found out that the order is in BG - (order has passed edit but cannot be scheduled regardless of sold status).
When I called the dealer he "checked into it" and told me that it was in this status due to the Hard Top order that I placed. at which point he stated that if i got a soft top I should have no problem with delivery. I definitly want the HT but i am wondering if you have heard about any issues in the past with delivery being halted due to no hard tops being out there? Seems weird that DC would make such a huge mistake on ordering with the amount of volume that they are supposedly selling.
Thanks for your help.
Later
A 16-18 week lead time when the usual wait is 4-6 weeks indicates that they're flooded with orders and working like crazy.
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We had a 2001 Solar yellow Wrangler Sport . Watch out....that color is a cop-magnet .
Congratulations. Enjoy the hell out of your JEEP.
Found out from annother site that the last day to plave an order for the rescue green was 3-15 (or somewhere around then. Coupled with the issue with the Hard Top manufactuer looks like I wont get the car I ordered.
The dealer just called me and said that there is no chance that I will get the car that ordered. Bummer will ahve to wait for the 08 model year.
Thanks for dealing with me and I appreciate your input.
See you in a few months...hopefully I will be posting info about my mods!
Later
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You're welcome. I don't think that owning an '08 will make you suffer too much! :shades:
Nice to hear your positive remarks as well as Mac24's...I should now admit that I already own an '05 Wrangler Unlimited (non-Rubicon auto trans). I just had to have one more "new" "old style" in the Rubicon package with stick. I just love my TJ (LJ to be precise from what I've read). I think I now realize what CJ and YJ folks must have felt about the arrival of TJ/LJs...you just love the one you have so much that you hate to see it no longer manufacturered. I'd like to say I may even own a JK as well after it's worked through any "growing pains"(in addition...not instead of my TJ/LJs). Clearly my wife must love Jeeps, too, since she actually let me get away with owning two Wranglers...she loves her Liberty...I'm well beyond being "biten" by the Jeep Bug...I'm well on my way to being diagnosed with Jeep-mania!
My last 2 wranglers i bought for $100 over invoice each. Is it reasonable to think i can get the sahara above for $23,000?
Doesn't sound unreasonable to me but a dealer may think otherwise.
Seriously, it dependes entirely on the business model of the dealer. Does he sell everything for sticker after two or three days on the lot, or does he maybe need one more sale before the end of the month to get into the level of discount.
Shopping to buy will get you the best price, shopping for figures won't.
Only three days left to order an '07!
A dealer will never want to pay more for your vehicle than he can either buy or sell an identical one for at auction. You are unlikely to have access to those figures, but I guarantee they'll be lower than you think yours is worth.
For an accurate idea of the actual value of your trade-in, go to CarMax. They'll give you a realistic trade price and actually buy it from you for that price too.
It's up to you but you don't have long to make up your mind.
Apart from being a model year younger (and probably a bunch of unseen bug fixes), there's not much difference in the '08s
Wrangler X (2 door) Manual tranny
Package 23C (a/c, seats, console)
Trailer Tow Group
Floor Mats (LOL)
Trac-Loc
Fog Lamps
Freedom Hard Top
Locking fuel cap
Tow Hooks
Dealer states invoice is $21,236, but unless I am calculating incorrectly Edmunds states invoice at 20,713. In either case, he is asking $21,486 not including T/T/L. Good deal or?
I'd actually prefer one with fewer options, but I kinda like the idea of the 'freedom top' and this is the color I am looking for (I wanted blue or khaki).
Financing rates are horrible right now it seems, so I am bringing own financing (5.8%, still more than I'd like to pay) and dealer is aware of that so that's probably why the 'eh' deal.
Maybe you can do better elsewhere, maybe not. How much is your time worth?
Carmax generally has a pretty good rep, though individual stores may vary.
1. Can they remove the hard top, and discount the price? They said something to the effect that doing that is illegal (because of the sticker)?
2. Anyone know the current Residual rates and money factors on the 07 Sahara? (for a 39-month, 12K lease)... do they have flexibility in these numbers?
3. They are offering $1900 UNDER NADA trade in for my 01 Jetta as a trade in... does that seem excessive? The same dealership just gave my friend the same $200 over invoice deal on a Wrangler X-C pkg, plus gave him $500 OVER NADA trade in on a Mazda 3. Any thoughts or suggestions?
thanks in advance
PS. Im in New England if it matters
Last orders for '07s were taken today. They still have to be built, and the lead time is 16-18 weeks. Everything then has to be set for '08 production. Pre-production vehicles are built to learn how to deal with the differences to the previous models. There's a lot more to it than a change of VIN and color choice, then hitting the 'Start' button to get the line rolling.
Nobody knows what the production mix will be at this point. Customer orders, dealers orders, and component availability from outside suppliers will all play a part
I don't know the exact details of the component supply issues, but I'd guess that with virtually all manufacturers using the JIT (just in time) model for component supply, coupled with DC's abysmal record in their relationships with their suppliers, that most of their outside suppliers would be reluctant to extend themselves in any way.
However, overshadowing all of this is the recent sale of Chrysler to Cerberus. Jeep Wrangler is successful because of the vehicle design, not because DC is a great company or Jeep is a great division. Cerberus is an aggressive company using a high degree of leverage to finance their purchases. They're in business to make money (not cars), and so far their investors are happy.
I don't see them doing anything detrimental to the Wrangler, though there's a lot else to trim at Jeep. It's quite probable that Wrangler production will be straightened out, and that Jeep will be then spun off, possibly at a price that's in excess of the total acquisition price of Chrysler. Take a look at their recent record in the car rental business!