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Volvo XC70 V70 Prices Paid and Buying Experience

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  • ronsteveronsteve Posts: 435
    Do you want a SUV or a wagon? How important is AWD and how much do you plan to do with it?

    Look at the Outback... if I coulda found an XT with the manual, or if I hadn't found the particular V70 I ended up with, I'd probably have an Outback. Look at the Forester. If you want an SUV and AWD is important to you, look at the Toyota RAV4.

    If you get a used Volvo, dealer service history is important.

    If AWD is important to you, Subaru is better, as is the RAV4.
  • kmausskmauss Posts: 74
    Hi ronsteve, thanks for the thoughts! In truth, I am not picky whether SUV or wagon, or whether AWD or not. I have briefly looked at the RAV4 and I also got a good impression from it. I have not yet gone to look at Subarus, but they are on my list. :)
  • Regarding a choice between a Subaru and a Volvo, I can only say that having had both the choice is very clear. We had owned Volvos until 2003 when we opted to purchase a 2000 Outback. Auto ran fine until 65,000 miles and then the clutch, cooling system and brake trouble began. We have spent nearly $5000 over the past 3 years and the vehicle noise is loud inside (gaskets on front windows replaced and still no good). After reading good and bad about the XC70, we are trading in that bad Subaru for a solid quiet Volvo. By the way, you can find a blog for dissatisfied Subaru owners through Google. Apparently, Subaru was well aware of head gasket problems during the 1999-2002 years and did little to stand by their vehicles. Hope this helps!
  • ab68ab68 Posts: 1
    Car_man,

    Would you please post the residuals and money factors for a Volvo XC70 (both trims), whichever term (up to 48 months) is most favorable, lowest mileage allowed by Volvo. I understand Chase underwrites their leases, correct?

    THANKS!!!
  • blckislandguyblckislandguy Posts: 1,150
    I've posted here in the past about the problems we have had with our 2001 XC. Some were fairly critical. I didn't think that the newly restyled XC was any improvement. Was I wrong.

    A week or so ago, we bought a new 2009 XC with premium and techonology for MSRP, less 10K. It was a painless transaction with Lee Volvo in Wellesley, MA. While I recognize that our brand new 2009 is now one model year old, we keep cars for a long time and the 2009's still have the five year free scheduled maintenance and five year warranty. The new 2010's have only 4 years.

    We like the car a lot. It has clearly much less torque steer, is a lot quicker, and has better ride than than the 2001. Plus lots of little features that make it a great car for New England: heated headlight washers, a conservative non-wheel bending tire profile, SERIUS radio (yep, anyone driving in rural VT or NH better have SERIUS), etc. Although the technology package contained zenons and a better sterio and not much else we wanted it for increased safety on dark nights. Curiosly enough, our XC with premium and technology (only) came through with nicely tinted rear windows although it wasn't mentioned as being part of either package.

    Why a Volvo XC instead of an Audi or BMW wagon? Afterall, at this stage in the game we could afford to have gone German. Easy. With the 6K factory incentive, the 2.5K loyaty incentive and the dealer contribution we paid about 34K. No way an Audi or a 5 Series wagon would have been within 20K of that. Leaving money aside, the ride is great, the seats are the best in the industry (as our 2001 seats are), the wheels are not super low profile, and it has all the bells and whistles we need. (I am still not sure if I had had the choice if I would have gone for the turbo version for 2K more.)

    In the meantime, we kept the 2001 XC. Don't know why except maybe we are a glutton for punishment. At 105,000 miles it runs like a train (and always has: the suspension and brakes have always been issues) but we are told the drive shaft center carrier bearing is worn and the drive shaft will begin moving around shortly. This would be no big deal in most cars as you would just drop the drive shaft and replace the center carrier bearing. Volvo? Nope. You can't buy the center support separately and have to buy the whole driveshaft for $1100.

    Maybe VolvoMax knows of a junkyard with good used drive shafts?
  • volvomaxvolvomax Posts: 5,274
    Congrats on the new car!

    Only Volvo junkyard I know of is Hirsch Industries in Phoenix.
    Chances are, there is someone closer to home.
  • zamozamo Posts: 120
    5 year Safe + Sound are now applicable to 2010s
  • In a post above I commented how happy we are with my wife' new 2009 XC70. I may have not been effusive enough. We really like the car and she is enjoying it immensely. Great ride, great seats, nice new features over the older versions, and on and on. Which leads me to a question.

    I'm puzzled why the XC70 doesn't sell better. What is the competition? Below it we have Suburu wagons which seem to do well with the my-car-is-an appliance crowd. Above Volvo we have the Germans with their AWD wagons (Audi, BMW, and MB) which for the comparable size are maybe 20K more money. It seems to me that Volvo occupies the sweet spot in the middle offerring a good ride, great interior (lifted from the S80) and seating, no overwhelming tech features like i Drive, some panache, and so forth. Sure, the Volvo "brand" isn't as powerful as BMW or MB but the lower price surely must make up for that. Sure, the local Volvo dealer's facilities aren't as grand as the local MB dealer, but who cares?

    Moreover, not only is the XC70 priced right, because it IS priced right, the XC70 is more suitable to the task of being an all weather family hauler of kids, groceries, hockey equipment bags, etc. In other words, do you really want to use an E Class wagon or a 5 Series to haul Seamus and his three high school friends and their gear off to hockey practice in the middle of snow storm? Do you really want to drive a new E Class wagon to BJs or Sams Club and load $400 worth of stuff into it and hope that the guy next to you doesn't nick you with his cart? Do you really want to risk bending a 5 Series tire/wheel in a Northeast US pothole?

    So why don' t they sell more? In a rational world....
  • So why don' t they sell more? In a rational world....

    My take on it? Women hate station wagons, and love SUVs.. If it rides up high like a truck, you can sell almost any piece of crap... but, if it rides a little lower and looks like a wagon, you can't give it away..

    Which is why they have a Venza instead of a Camry wagon. The new CrossTour, instead of an Accord or TSX wagon.. And, why Infiniti has a $5K incentive on their not tall enough EX35...

    It's also why the new Caddy SRX, which is a warmed over FWD-based Equinox, will out-sell the new RWD CTS wagon by 10-1.. even though the CTS wagon is by far the better vehicle..

    It's only old guys who like wagons.... and their aren't enough of us around..

    You may disagree... ;)

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  • qbrozenqbrozen Posts: 16,899
    It's only old guys who like wagons.... and their aren't enough of us around..

    Absolutely I disagree! I ain't old!

    ;b

    '13 Stang GT; '86 Benz 300E; '98 Volvo S70; '12 Leaf; '08 Town&Country

  • You may be the exception that proves the rule... but, answer me this:

    Your wife? Would she rather have an XC90 or an XC70? :)

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  • Really? Ever since I got interested in them and started looking and noticing, I'm seeing TONS of them around. Now to be fair, this is Pennsylvania, land of harsh, snowy, icy winters, so there are probably more AWD's and FWD's here than some parts of the country anyway.

    I do have to agree with another poster than women tend to like SUV's better than wagons. I guess I'm kind of the exception -- I've been looking for something that does everything an SUV does but does it better and isn't an SUV.

    I haven't had the chance to look around much since I made my initial posts back in July, but so far an XC70 is still at the top of my wish list. I did go look at the Subarus but they just didn't "do it" for me. There are a number of other things I will eventually go and look at but this is most definitely the direction I am leaning.
  • qbrozenqbrozen Posts: 16,899
    Well... she likes the 70, but the 90 was one of her dream cars for quite a while, and now that she has one, she is holding onto it for all she's worth.

    '13 Stang GT; '86 Benz 300E; '98 Volvo S70; '12 Leaf; '08 Town&Country

  • I am interested in buying a used toyota from a reputable dealer. I was told that due to an increase in stolen vehicles from their lot, that all vehicles are window etched when they arrive at the dealership. Unfortunately they pass on that cost to the consumer to the tune of $369!!!!! Any ideas on how to handle this anti theft cost refusal in a polite yet firm manner?
  • "Gee, I don't think I should have to be part of your insurance plan."

    "Gee, I don't think I want to do business with a dealership that is in such a marginal area of our town"
  • volvomaxvolvomax Posts: 5,274
    You are basically correct.
  • Thanks, max... now, say that again a little louder... so my wife can hear you.. :P

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  • jayriderjayrider Posts: 3,198
    AAA does it for $25. Tell them you will give them $30.
  • jayriderjayrider Posts: 3,198
    Volvomax -- saw a Xc70 yesterday and have it on my list. Have two years left on my murano lease. Nice car but a wagon may suit us better. Hyothetically -- if I were to negotiate a deal with you for a new/low mile used unit in 2011 and drove to texas to get it -- could I trade in the murano if i had a month left on the lease? Sign the papers and drive back home with a few stopovers for golf?
  • >My take on it? Women hate station wagons, and love SUVs.. If it rides up high like a truck, you can sell almost any piece of crap... but, if it rides a little lower and looks like a wagon, you can't give it away.. big seller. The new one isn't selling b/c (1) quality issues and (2) stupid design. By stupid design, I don't mean the style, which is very nice...a nice update. Instead I mean that that they made it 400 lbs heaver and gave it a less useful engine, while decreasing space. What were they thinking?

    2007 MPG 18 / 25
    2009 MPG 15 / 23

    Rear Legroom
    2007 35.20
    2009 34.60

    Front Legroom
    2007 42.60
    2009 41.90

    More power...same torque, but look at the RPMs needed to make it. This is one reason for the MPG hit.
    Horsepower 208 @ 5000 RPM 235 @ 6200 RPM
    Torque (lb-ft) 236 @ 1500 RPM 236 @ 3200 RPM

    While folks at BMW were making a 5 series that was bigger, roomier and lighter weight, the Volvo got smaller and heavier. Take that, add quality issues with the new model, and you have a sales problem.
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