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Also, newspaper article today that says dealers are getting fed up waiting for the money from the govt. and don't want to do C4C anymore. These dealers have done 50-150 deals and haven't goten a dime yet!
I think it will be pretty much over in two-three weeks. I believe 1.8 billion of the 3 billion has been used up already. Almost half a million cars off the road. Also, Honda, Ford and GM are stepping up production. Their inventory for Cobalts, Fusions, Escapes, Civics, CRV's and Odyseeys is expected to rise.
I got a 2009 Rav4 Limited (w/ cloth), V6, 4WD, with roof, bluetooth, 6cd, etc for:
$349/mo (tax in at 6.5%, and gap insurance at $330)
$709 down
3 year
12k
How did I do?
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Sounds like I got a fair deal since I had a clunker to donate.
Are Title/Registration Cost expected to be included in OTD price? Should it?
How much extra does Title/Reg Cost if not included??
$22,900 MSRP : BASE RAV4 4x4, 4-Cylinder (in NY TriState Area-ish)
+$1,060 +OPTION: 3rd Row Package
-(QV) Base Extra Value Package
-(DRL) DayTime Running Lights
-(TH) Third Row Seats
-17" 5-Spoke P225/65R17 tires
-17" Spare Tire on Steel WHeel
-Black Roof Rails & Cross Bars
-Privacy Glass
+$1,186 +ACCESSORIES
-(BM) Body side moldings [32] @ $199
-(MF) Mudguard [31] @ $99
-(V4) Remote start [31] @ $529
-(V5) VIP RS3200+ security system [31] @ $359
+$ 800 ??? +DELIVERY PROCESSING/HANDLING FEE
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$25,946 TOTAL MSRP
$23,815 =91.79% is Edmunds Invoice Price vs MSRP
$25,134 =96.87% is Edmunds TMV Price vs MSRP
Looks like a pretty horrible TMV price to me
1300$ above Invoice
only 800$ below MSRP :confuse:
::echoes:: I shouldve bought this car last month before CARS :sick:
GOD BLESS AMERICA.
no, i dont work for dealerrater, i'v just been trying to go through the reviews to see and know what to look out for, and being in NY shopping for a rav4, w/e your story is, it's probably good for me to kno. much appreciated
http://www.dealerrater.com/dealer/Lee-s-Toyota-review-8294/
you could also file with attorney general of NYC
http://www.oag.state.ny.us/bureaus/consumer_frauds/pdfs/complaint_forms/nyc_comp- laint.pdf
If I wanted something that bad, and couldn't find it at the closest dealer or two or three, I'd either wait for them to get one in stock, settle for similiar options, or travel to another dealer. Those dealer ratings are full of stories from people who put deposits and then found out weeks later that the dealer can't get the car they were promised. Then these poor buyers have to struggle to get their down payment back.
If it's not in stock, I don't want it. And if I do really want it, I'll go find it.
CF - Carpet Floor/Cargo Mat (5-Piece Set)
FE - 50 State Emissions
QV - Base L4 EVP Package includes: Wheels: 17" Styled Steel, Roof Rack w/Cross Bar Roof Rail, Daytime Running Lights, Privacy Glass
Is it a good deal based on your research and experience? Interesting to know your thoughts.
Thank you,
denglu
4WD-4Cyl Rav4 Base Model w Options:
QV Value Package
TH Third Row Seat
Carpet
Came in w/ an internet quote of 23,900 being told if I came in, I'd get a better quote in person. After I came in, they said they couldnt do any better than 23,900, because an internet quote is just to draw us into the dealership, but they'll honor the quote us anyway. I persisted that we came in today based on being told we'd get a BETTER quote looking for 23,500 and he comes back with 23,850 w/ 1yr free maintenance every 5000 miles (which for us wouldve been 2 checkups tops)
i said 23,700 and Im driving away today, and he comes back with 23,800 with down to only 1 oil change. Im on the fence, quite upset they're only to budge 100$ down from their opening quote but granted 23,900 is edmund's tmv. He pulls out a referal postcard for 100$ each for referal and referer, and it occurred to me my freind referred me, so if i could cash in on this referal promo, Im sold, Im happy. but no. Turnsout, friend alredy bought his car just 2 days ago, but didnt pick up car yet. After an hr of back and forth of this and that, they finally agreed that upon friend's pickup, they'll honor 100$ for him and 100$ for me...upon their word of honor. Ofcourse thats just silly to expect them to follow thru after Iv alredy driven away, so i ask for something in writing...no... another half hr.. fine they'll add that in writing to the paperwork in the F&I office. fine, we move on to the F&I office.
in F&I office.
I tried to refuse to sign waiver of lawsuit in favor of arbitration, but they insisted it's a must. I insisted on refusal. F&I leaves and comes back and says, it's a must or it's over. I reluctantly said FINE and signed. then comes the VIN etching for 175$.. he said it was already included in my price.. but the hidden meaning was included in my Buyers Order for extra 175$ on top of 23,800 (which i already signed) but failed to notice it as "THEFT DETERRENT". F&I insisted everyone gets it, its already included, i cant decline it.. i asked where.. he shows me on the Form and sure enough it says "optional"..to which i pointed out. He went back outside, came back in with my original sales guy. They both confront me and say Im being difficult and if i wont take the etching, it's a no deal. So i agreed with them... NO DEAL..and walked out. 6.5 hrs total spent in dealership with girlfriend, 3yrold, & 4yrold.
This is the story of my Price NOT PAID. 23,700 (After Referal Bonus) + docFEES(300$) +Reg(400$) +NYTax(2110$)
Apprx Net TOTAL = $ 26500+
BASE 4x4 4Cyl Rav4 with 3rd Row Seating Package + Carpet
CF - Carpet Floor/Cargo Mat (5-Piece Set)
FE - 50 State Emissions
QV - Base L4 EVP Package includes: Wheels: 17" Styled Steel, Roof Rack w/Cross Bar Roof Rail, Daytime Running Lights, Privacy Glass
Is it a good deal based on your research and experience? Interesting to know your thoughts.
Thank you,
denglu
Maybe it's the principal, I don't know. It seems to me too man people get carried away on these boards trying to squeeze the salesman/dealer for the last hundred or two.
Give me a happy salesman, let him feed his family, and treat me like a human being.
I know that if I left after all that time and aggravation I would be so pissed of, my blood pressure would be up, and I would be cursing car salesmen in general and trying to explain to the kids why we didn't get the car after spending their afternoon there too.
To me, it's not worth the aggravation. It's worth it to pay the extra $200 for something I'll have for at least 7 years, and to know that if I ever need a friend there, the salesman might remember me fondly.
I got a rav4 limited yesterday and got 1000$ with new college rebate. However, my APR is as high as 6.75%. Did i miss something? Do new college grads get 0% at toyota?
but put it in perspective, we werent trying to squeeze the salesguy at all.
invoice was 22.7K. I was willing to settle for 23.7K. $1000 ABOVE invoice. ONLY 200$ below their opening quote. They cranked the waiting game on full throttle (probably b/c i had my kids with me) and wasted 4 hrs of my time just to give me 100$ off the opening quote.. with only a half promise of honoring the other 100$.
i just couldnt walk out of there not feeling utterly ripped off after 6hrs and being at the same price i started with 6hrs ago. .. and for them to blackmail me refusing to sell me the car unless I agree to pay for an optional Item.. Im sorry, the Attorney General of NJ and Toyota, as well as BBB will be hearing about this... since my salesman boasted about their BBB certification. one voice might not do anything, but hopefully advising others to do the same might eventually surface some new laws about this practice as its happenned in the past. Maybe the next time i buy a car 5-10yrs down i dont have to waste as much time.
Fortunately, as frustrating as it was for us.. our kids saw it as quite an adventure carrying their new backpacks full of their games, books, and snacks being in a showroom full of cars.
We went back to the dealer where we had bought our Sienna (Copeland Toyota) and had a no hassle deal on a base RAV 4x4. 22k + tax, title and doc fees minus a fair trade in value on a 10 year old VW. I was there doing the papers for all of 2 hours, but we paid cash (didn't even do a credit app- at either dealer)
The 09 rav that we bought was new on the lot- still wrapped. I called and asked them to PDI it so that my wife could drive it. They made it happen.
I think that Boch might have honored our deal if I had financed at a loan shark interest rate (read- not with Toyota Credit) so that they would have made it up on the back end, but we never pursued it. Apparently this is a common tactic.
This was our second car from Copeland, though my Sienna was a stand on your head deal- they essentially gave me a free moonroof (and a good price even if it did not have the moonroof), but I bought the car the day after it hit the lot from the plant. Negotiating that was painless as well and I bought a $35k van for under $30k. With 8 miles on the Odometer! I highly recommend them.
All of this is South of Boston, MA where we have 6 Toyota dealers within 30 minutes of the house. Boch is by far the biggest, but I will never deal with them again. ever. My in-laws swear by them at least for service, but that's service, not sales. They were there for both experiences- Even they'll go to Copelnd for their next car.
I wasn't happy, but I went along with it. However, I will know if I ever go back there again they will have to include it up front so I will know exactly what I am paying.
Your kids must be angels to have endured 6+ hours. My wife came along and left after 2 hours.
I know when I bought my Sienna in Sept. '04 it was a new model. Edmunds showed hem selling for $500 under MSRP. A dealer by me advertised that they had several in stock and would sell them for $750 under MSRP. We had a great salesman, but he would not go any lower. When I complained about the $379 documentation fee, he said it was mandatory. When I hemmed and hawed a bit, he did go and get the selling price reduced an additional $379 to cover the fee. We left happy.
Unfortunately Honda and Toyota dealers don't have to negotiate much. Their attitude can be "if you don't buy it at our price, someone else will". This seems more prevalent at Honda dealers. Less competition maybe?
I have dealers offering me 2010s in place of the 2009s Im eQuoting for and theyre telling they are to arrive as early as a wk to Month-end of sept depending on the dealership. (ofcourse that could all be overhyping to get me to put down downpayments and making advance purchases)
If you check truecar.com, 2010 values are now posted even though regional and local numbers arent yet available for my area. if you look at the invoice and dealer cost between 2009 and 2010, the new 2010s are actually CHEAPER to buy for the dealers
Great thing is, these dealers are eQuoting me and carrying over my 2009 quote over to 2010 models if Im willing to wait for it to come in. It makes sense for them to do that since they profit more from the 2010s at the same price and it far easier to get into inventory than 2009 models. .. .. However, TMVs for 2010 are still outrageous.. (though i would ignorantly assume that will change very quuickly once 2010s are widely available, and these fatten salesmen realize the scarcity of buyers in the coming months in the aftermath of CARS)
Im getting quotes of 26500ish OTD price for 2010s. thats inclusive of dealer fees, NYS DMV charges, and NYS 8.875% Sales Tax. Seems like a pretty sweet price to me. If we keep fighting for these prices, it may become the norm and work out for everyone in the market for these rav4s!! Let's make it a buyers market again, Im tired of salesman pushing me at 1300$ above invoice.
either that or they blatantly lie to you to get you to focus on buying a car NOW from THEM. Iv been told so many times that RAV4s 2009s with 3rdROW seating are completely out of stock and near impossible to find.
meanwhile I could list at least 5 dealerships that have one in stock... just not the color i want.
Currently working over paperwork to acquire a trade-in for a rav42009 at 26400 OTD (inclusive of all dealer fees, DMV, and NYTax 8.875%)
There are many horror stories that Trade-Ins come up empty handed... but Im crossing my fingers on this.
I am in boston also. What dealer was it?
Thanks
A Toyota RAV4 Sport FWD is available (2009). I can (maybe) sell my car privately and take a loss of about $2,000 (if I can get what I'm hoping to for it) or, use it as a trade with the Toyota dealer where I end up saving on the taxes (about $1,200) in the trade in, out the door price. They will sell me the RAV for an additional $5,400. The Honda was $23,350 out the door, plus $5,400 now for the Toyota, equal $28,750 that I will end up spending in the end ... if I get the Toyota.
I know this is strictly a personal choice to make but I feel so over-my-head with this decision. I buy a car once every 5-7 years and originally worked the numbers to fit my budget when I first started looking. Now, I'll be in for another $5,400 which I'm having a hard time justifying.
Opinions? :confuse:
I'd have a really hard time justifying trading in my car, just because it's sort of a pain to unload groceries.. But, if you do... another month or two isn't going to make a difference. If you trade any time within the next couple of years, you will take a major hit... so, why rush into a bad decision?
(Is it that big of an issue to let the rear door open up gently against the runners?)
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You'll lose a significant amount of money if you trade your CRV for a RAV4 -- but the RAV4 has outstanding reliability ratings, so if you plan on holding on to the car for 7 years or more it might be worth the change. Just FYI - in addition to my 2009 RAV4, I have a 1996 Camry with 167,800 miles on it. I expect to keep the Camry for at least another 75,000 miles. Toyotas are road warriors.
Purchased from Lawrence Toyota, NJ @ 26,438 OTD (including NYS 8.875% Tax)
$ 23.992.00 (Quoted.. TMV @ the time but still cheaper OTD compared to others)
$ 7.70 (Online Reg Fee - I did most my paper via Phone/Fax/Email)
$ 150.00 (NY Reg Fee -i think it should be higher, but we'll see in a month)
$ 169.00 (Doc Fee)
Car Specs:
*Base 4x4 4Cyl
*[QV] Extra Value Package
*[TH] 3rd Row Seating ( subtract apprx 700$+/- if you dont want 3rd Row)
*Molding on the Trunk Bumper to prevent cargo from scratching paint (i dont think it's standard but it was included with mine w/o charge)
*Preferred Preference Package (FirstAide Kit, CargoNet etc .. came included free)
Worked thru Internet Dept w/ Matt Bliffert. Great Guy, Frequent Followups via email and phone daily to keep you assured that they'r working on finding your car and keeping you updated on it's progress. Willing to conduct paperwork via fax and email. All around nice guy, no hard selling, just suggestions. No BS "required" options like Etching even though it's already on the car. a few more extras onthe car that he didnt even bother suggested charging me since I didnt ask for it.
btw, 3rdRow inthe specific color I wanted was extremely hard to find. there are at least 10 toyota dealers closer to me and yet nobody was able to "find" it in the past 2 wks, yet Matt (&crew) found the car in under 24hrs after a few false positives and had it brought up to NJ 250 miles from Maryland in under the next 24hrs. with all the horror stories of relying on the dealer to "find" the car for the buyer, I was extremely nervous, but MattBliffert @ Lawrence Toyota was extremely awesome about it. I hope the rest of Lawrence is just as great and it's not just an isolated occurrence there. Natalie, the F&I person was also very patient and not pushy on options. Much of it might have to do with being somewhat educated in carbuying despite being a 1st time buyer. Do your research, read up, and sound knowledgeable and they'll probably be less likely to try tricks with you.
East Coast Toyota, NJ however still owes me 5000$ in downpayment money.
These guys on the other hand will tell you VIN Etching is required even after you insist they're not, and POINT OUT to them on the contract itself that it's optional.
I hope I dont have to resort to CC CHargeback & Small Claims Court, but if it comes to that, Im definitely getting back more than what they currently owe me to pay for "punitive damages" and expenses.
Good Luck Shopping Everyone.
I take a hit now, get it over with and lose a couple of thousand or, drive a car that I regret buying and forfeit the pleasure derived from that new car feeling. What a web I've woven!
http://truecar.com/Toyota/RAV4/2010/options-B8019190.html
...or change the model of the car to your preference.
i dont know how much the dealer will actually charge for them though. My guess is it's probably also negotiable and they'll probably try to ccharge you MSRP. but Im just guessing, I didnt quite have a chance to ask for a brochure and pricing yet, but if you find out, pls let us kno.
Not sure if I missed a great deal or passed up a possible problem with a rear ended used car. Vehicle was clean, ran well. It was not a Toyota certified pre-owned.
Would you buy a used RAV4 without a "cettification"?
Anyone with similar situation or comments?
Thoughts?
A year later, I got my 2009 RAV 4 cyl., 4WD, Limited. I love it. Oh, still have the Acura.
For 2009 RAV4 base FWD V6 with minimum features
after $1000 rebate from Toyota
base price $22900
Drive out $24600
Is this a good deal?
Thanks