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Lexus ES 300/ES 330 Prices Paid and Buying Experience
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I just went on your dealer's site (Lehigh Valley Lexus) and you have 02's with teen mileage listed at $32,500. I hope these have Nav/ML??
BUT - you also have an 02 with almost 37k miles listed at $33,900 so maybe this one has ML/NAV and the others don't?? Since you conveniently don't list options on the CPOs it makes it difficult to compare apples to apples and be an intelligent consumer. But I guess you guys don't want intelligent consumers - just like the real estate business you want them as dumb as possible - The dumber the better!
However, CarBargains does the same thing that AAA, Sam's Club, and Autobytel do. They negotiate with the dealer for the lowest markup.
Therefore, if you get a price from Autobytel or Sam's Club for a similar geographic area, that might tell you approximately what Carbargains will be in your area.
NBC Today had good things to say:
http://www.checkbook.org/auto/todayshow.cfm
Of course, your mileage may vary.
On the other hand, listing legitimate lower prices might actually get more people in to look at the cars -- I suspect its a bit of a turn-off to someone shopping on the web to see prices that are almost equal to new cars.
Hopefully it is close enough to the subject of this discussion, if lehighlexus is willing to do it, to have him comment on what factory programs will be made available in November on new/used ES 300s and 330s.
And I never said WE sold our cars for $32-$33k new. For lack of argument, which I guess did not happen, I used your $32-$33k for a new one. The difference will be roughly $5k. I'm not looking to argue, but if you think that is too much, go new. Although, if you are interested in Lexus, it should be a good thing to look at the prices of used to see that you don't get nailed with huge depreciation.
Lehighlexus, thanks for the offer on posting the new program when its available. "November to remember" would be nice. :>)
Duncan
I cannot recommend CarBargains highly enough for buyers who hate to haggle/negotiate with salesmen. The entire process was hassle-free; and as a first time Lexus owner, I'm sold on the company's service oriented culture. My dealership traded vehicles with a dealer in Kentucky - meeting the transport truck at a gas station on the highway to swap cars. Otherwise, I would have had to wait for delivery an entire month, rather than only one week after purchase. Also, on the day I took possession of the car, my salesman picked me up at home so I wouldn't have to find a ride to the dealership. Little things perhaps, but this type of service keeps customers coming back again and again. Overall, I couldn't be more pleased.
A couple of final words about CarBargains - the ML/NAV option is considered to be a different model, so it cost an additional $20 to get bids on the ES330 with/without these features. Finally, all of the CarBargains literature speaks of negotiating selling prices based on invoice figures. None of the six dealerships bid this way - all discounts were reductions from list.
Always amazed why dealers have such wide range of quotes on prices. But you got four states covered(!). Must be local supply and demand. Do you have to pay $200 to CarBargains first to get all the quotes?
Does it come with VSC and AVS. If it does you are getting $3000 off sticker!! Did they quote you that price to begin with?
So CarBargains did not charge you anything to get all these quotes?
2. How low are the prices from MSRP.
If the prices are a couple of grand off MSRP, then it sounds about as good a deal as people are negotiating here.
Finally, what do you think of the dealership? Do they give loaners for when your car is in service? If it is a great dealership, it might be worth paying a little more for a car than from a dealership that has poor service. IMHO
Thanks again! Catoko
I just ordered a FULLY loaded ES 330. I got about $4000 off the MSRP. When I say fully loaded, I mean it. MSRP of $41,000 includes chrome wheels, gold package, NAV/Levinson, adjustable pedals, adjustable suspension etc. I have been told that I have every option Lexus offers on this car.
Do you all think I got a good deal? The dealership is known for their extraordinary service and great treatment.
The only downside is that I have to wait for the factory to build it, which takes 12-16 weeks because of the Christmas break (I'm told the Japanese have one). In my cas it's great, because I have more time to save and pay cash for the car.
BTW, have you replaced your suspension struts yet or are they still fine? Just curious.
Finally someone has posted a message that belongs here, and no one has even responded to it.
The reason this discussion exists is so that folks have a logical place to easily look up the prices that people have paid for either of these vehicles and to read about what experiences they had in the purchase process. No one can find messages about prices paid when they are surrounded by pages of messages that have nothing to do with a purchase price.
The process of deciding what to buy belongs in more general topics - either vehicle specific discussions, comparison discussions, discussions about shopping, etc.
Again - please use the search features on the left side of the page to find appropriate discussions for these off-topic threads of conversation. Also, you will find some appropriate links in this post: pat Oct 24, 2003 2:45pm.
Does someone care to comment on the deal reported by jim040558 Nov 6, 2003 11:16pm?
It is frustrating to have to wade through all the junk to get to one germane post. I had hoped that my post on my purchase price would stimulate some discussion and be helpful to others.
By the way, except for the last few posts, I respecfully object to the characterization of posts as junk. They may have strayed a bit from a strict discussion of "what I paid," but they were financial in nature and could assist soemone trying to make a financial decision on a fair price for this car. We risk scaring people away if they get admonished for theoretically off-topic, but otherwise related posts. For instance, I am hoping lehighlexus, who is a salesperson at a lexus dealership, will post information about factory incentives on the ES 330 shortly. That's not precisely price information, but certainly of interest to potential shoppers. Thanks for listening.
I'm with you by the way, regarding my price. I don't think I knocked down the house, but getting everything I want on a car ordered from the factory with almost a 10% discount made me feel like I got at least a very good price. The dealer, Superior Lexus, is reputed to be the best car dealership in terms of service in town. Some friends of mine own an ES 300 and they rave about the service and treatment they get.
Thanks for your comments.
This is supposed to be a list of messages where folks share the prices they paid and their buying experiences and others share thoughts about those prices and experiences.
I'll be happy to continue any further conversation via email about what is appropriate or not in this particular discussion and what other resources exist for the wide range of thoughts we all have about buying, selling and maintaining any particular vehicle.
Thanks.
For the scores of posters who have bought cars in the past, well, their information is obsolete even if they could remember the details of their purchases, so new potential buyers are not likely to benefit from their experience.
All I am saying is that it is not only because folks are discussing unrelated topics that posts on pricing topics are limited, but also for the reasons I cite above. There is only a very small pool of posters who can help a potential buyer determine a good price and the liklihood of a satisfactory answer to one's questions on price is low, in my opinion.
Thanks, Jeff
All of our Prices Paid discussions were created for the specific purpose I keep trying to explain. It is supposed to be an easy place for our members to find prices that others have paid for a vehicle of interest. They are not the general, free-wheeling, anything-goes discussions that we have elsewhere.
All of this back and forth about the purpose of this particular discussion isn't helping anyone find prices paid, either. ;-)
As I said - anyone who has further comments to make is free to email me. And if I can help you find anything, I'll be glad to do so.
Thanks for letting this discussion get back on track.
Pat
MSRP was 35134.
I have loved it from day one for its lux/smooth/quietness.
I can't compare it with my previous Camry.
It is a class apart
In the Seattle area, they are quoting 2800 over invoice. This even includes the Costco program which I think would be competitive.
I am waiting till December to see if things get better. The loaded cars seem to be in short supply at this time.
Any comments?