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Lexus ES 300/ES 330 Prices Paid and Buying Experience

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  • lenscaplenscap Posts: 854
    I believe the ES 330 does 0-60 in 7.2 seconds vs. 8.1 for the ES 300.
  • patpat Posts: 10,421
    This discussion is focused on the prices folks have paid and the experiences they had in purchasing their new ES 300 or ES 330.

    Lehighlexus and gekko2, your conversation is better placed in any of several discussions on our Smart Shopper board. And motownusa, you should drop by the ongoing Lexus ES 300 and Lexus ES 330 discussions to check out what folks have to say about each of these vehicles.

    The excellent search features on the left side of the page are often overlooked. They will help locate the best place to find helpful and relevant information.

    Hope this is helpful - as always, feel free to email me if I can help any of you find anything in the Town Hall.
  • Gekko2 claims to be selling Lexuses, but then makes a statement:
    "Most cars today have the same features, comfortable ride, and will get you from point A to point B. The main reason why people move up is to be pampered and not have to worry about salesmen calling everyday, among other things. If you are so happy with everything Toyota has to offer on the service side, why aren't you driving one? "

    Sorry, pal, but that's sure not why I bought a Lexus - nor anyone else I know.

    I bought my Lexus because it's the most quiet, luxurious. smoothest riding car out there. Period. The same is true of most people I know. If you're selling Lexus over Toyota simply on the basis of dealer service, you need to find another line of work.
  • gekko2gekko2 Posts: 87
    jragosta - you're mixing me up with 'Lehighlexus'.
  • motownusamotownusa Posts: 836
    I think for the most part the Camry and the ES are the same. They share the same engine same transmission and both cars offer a very smooth quiet ride. The ES is just a tad quieter because it has more sound deadening materials. The only extra things you get with the ES is the outstanding Mark Levinson sound system and the Variable Adaptive Suspension. If you choose a fully loaded Camry XLE V6 you are getting about 95% of the ES. The reasons many people buy the ES over the Camry is that it is built in Japan and therefore has better build quality and the customer service department is lot more freindler.
  • patpat Posts: 10,421
    Again, folks, this is not the right place for these comments. See my post pat Oct 24, 2003 3:45pm for some links, and/or use the search features on the left side of the page for more appropriate discussions.

    As I noted in that post I just linked, the purpose of this discussion is to share prices paid and actual purchasing experiences with either the ES 300 or ES 330.

    Let's regroup in a more appropriate discussion and let this one get back on track.

    Thanks!
  • A dealer stated to me that the purchase of the navigation system on the 2004 ES330 is bundled with the full set of options Lexus offers - audio, AVS, Audio Package, etc; in other words, the navigation system cannot be purchased as a separate option. Is this really true?
  • And then I'm done talking about it. You are exactly right in what I said although you could have had the others refer to my comment four posts above. Though I respect your questioning my work, I suggest you read it again. I said all cars have a comfortable ride. I did not say the ride was the same, but that they were both comfortable. With the exception of a few features, they are available on both the Toyota and the Lexus. And as you probably know, they both get you from point A to point B. (Although Lexus gets you there more often ie JD Power) And the salesmen part was one example. I am not going to knock Toyota because they make a good product. If it wasn't, the Camry would not be one of the top selling vehicles year in and year out. And, as I said before, service and satisfaction are a main reason (not the only reason) that people move up. So, thank you for your consideration jragosta. I was doing fine before your comment and I'm sure I will still be successful after it. And on a side note, they are building the RX330 in Canada now, but it is operating with as much quality as the Japan plant.
  • seeing that they have done an excellent job with this website and they deserve to say what is and what isn't. For buying experience (my two cents and not including my dealership for what would be thought as biased reasons) there are two dealers that do a really good job, Rahal and Thompson. If you are in the PA, NJ, and NY area, of course I want you to check out my dealership. But the other aforementioned dealerships do a good job in their own right.
  • locomolocomo Posts: 29
    I can get a '93 ES300 with 91,000 miles in good shape for $7000. Is it a pretty good deal?
    Loco
  • kevin111kevin111 Posts: 991
    "I bought my Lexus because it's the most quiet, luxurious. smoothest riding car out there. Period. The same is true of most people I know. If you're selling Lexus over Toyota simply on the basis of dealer service, you need to find another line of work. "

    - Exactly. Compare a Camry vs. an ES330, and the two cars seem to be worlds apart in refinement, ride quality, and quietness.
  • the difference between the two. I did not feel the need to sell the product, seeing that most people understand the difference between Lexus and Toyota. Not everyone gets to experience the service and satisfaction which is part of the buying experience. That is what I was referring to. And I'm sure there were people that told the founders of Dell and Gateway to find another line of work too. (Take a guess at why people pay more for their computers). If you want to continue this, I wouldn't mind moving it to the other ES330 room.
  • luegoluego Posts: 13
    Well said. You are stating your opinion and I think you're doing fine.
  • And I hope noone is taking personal offense to this. It's a major topic and nothing livens the day like a little heated discussion.
  • babs43babs43 Posts: 13
    I'm going to test drive the 2004 ES 330 again this weekend a give it another look before I buy. I previously got a price of $33,700, which turned out to be $1500 off sticker just like this board has previously experienced. Can I expect to get $2,000 off the sticker on one with ML and Navi? Thanks for the help! Also looking at the 2003 M45 too! Trying to make a decision.
  • kevin111kevin111 Posts: 991
    The ES330 and the M45. I am trying to help a friend look for a car in the near future. He currently has an ES300 and loves it, but the car will soon be over 100K miles, and he will be looking to replace it.

    Initially, he liked the TL-S due to its value compared with the ES300 (that and back in '02 there wasn't any discounting on the ES300). With the new TL being more expensive than the previous one, and with discounting on the ES330, he probably would lean towards the ES330 between the 2.
  • lenscaplenscap Posts: 854
    Absolutely do NOT get the M45. I admit I'm biased because I have a 2002 ES 300. But the ES is a great car and I highly recommend it.

    I noticed you are like me in that you only purchase your cars (don't lease). That is one of the reasons to avoid the M45:

    1. Terrible resale value on Infinitis.
    2. The M45 is being completely redone next year - your car will be outdated real fast. Nissan confirmed the Fuga shown at the Tokyo Auto Show will arrive in 2004 as the next M45.
    3. The fact that you can get $10,000 discounts on the M45 should tell you something - nobody wants this car (simple supply and demand). It sells roughly 300 a month vs. the ES 330 at about 5000 a month. Now, sales shouldn't dictate your purchase, and the M45 is well built, but when a new car sells as poorly as the M45 I'd stay away.
  • gekko2gekko2 Posts: 87
    How does this simple rule of thumb formula look?

    (Edmunds Invoice Price - Mfg. Incentives) x 1.02 Dealer Fat = Fair Price
  • How do you know how much the Mfg. Incentives is. I don't think dealers'd admit to that as easily as invoice prices.

    The formula is not bad on paper for buyers, but only if dealers are willing, and all buyers insist so, ala, supply and demand again. Good luck tho!
  • Normally does not include the marketing assesment on the true invoice. And as much as you or I don't believe we should pay it, they won't give it to you for free. And what you are asking for is 2% above invoice, which chances are you will not get that on a new 04 Lexus
  • lehighlexus, glad to have one 'on the other side' on board. Here's a question for you. I often heard people say that they bought a car below invoice. In fact, one'd get a ES300, esp. the one w/o NAV/ML, > $1K below invoice, in 2003. Are dealers willing to lose money selling the car (I doubt), or the invoice price we see on internet is more than the real price you paid to Lexus, or there's some mfg incentives of offset any 'loss'. Mind sharing the insight?
  • kevin111kevin111 Posts: 991
    Usually when a dealer is willing to let a car go for below invoice, it is because there are dealer incentives or cash-back offers from the manufacturer.
  • what is that dealer incentives or cash-back offers from the manufacturer for the car you are buying? Where can we get that?
  • babs43babs43 Posts: 13
    Thanks for your opinions on the ES 330. I do realize that Lexus is a lot more popular than Infiniti. No doubt about it. BUT, I do believe both cars are great quality.

    I see that Lexus is not giving as much off as Infiniti, because they're just more popular. And I do know about the Lexus holding its value much better.

    BUT...I buy and keep my cars 8-10 years. I'm not that concerned about what's the most popular car, but what I like.

    I test drove the 2004 Acura TL after I read a lot about it, and loved the value and the features it had. I just didn't love the car.

    The ES 330 is great, but I'm not nuts about the stereo and the speed is lacking. I do love the styling and interior.

    The M45 is great also, and I really like the stereo and the speed of it, although you can't beat the ES 330 interior.

    I don't like the fact that the ES 330 is "just like a camry". I do like the fact that the M45 is different than most cars on the road.

    So, that's my take on it! I just wish I could get the ES 330 with the better stereo without paying the $3,000 more to get it.

    Thanks again for all the advice!
  • kevin111kevin111 Posts: 991
    "what is that dealer incentives or cash-back offers from the manufacturer for the car you are buying? Where can we get that? "

    - Manufacturers will offer end-of-year cash-back and dealer incentives. On something like a new Lexus (2004) I doubt there will be any of these items to move prices close to or below invoice. Now if you wanted a nice Oldsmobile...........
  • kevin111kevin111 Posts: 991
    I appreciate the input. In terms of speed, the ES330 is reported here as capable of 0-60 at 7.2 seconds, while the M45 is capable at 0-60 at 5.7 seconds per C&D. Big difference.
  • motownusamotownusa Posts: 836
    Unless you are Mario Andretti, do you really need to 0-60 in 5.7 seconds. I mean o-60 time of 7.2 seconds is more than enough in everyday situation.
  • lenscaplenscap Posts: 854
    The ES 330 is NOT just a Camry. It is built on the Camry platform. That's it. They share about 15-20% of their parts, nearly all of which cannot be seen or touched. Drive the two and you see a difference (although the Camry is a great car).

    No different than the Jaguar X-Type/Ford Mondeo, Jaguar S-Type/Lincoln LS, Volkswagon Passat/Audi A4, VW Toureg/Porsche Cayenne, Cadillac XLR/Corvette, etc. Heck, the Chrysler Crossfire gets 40% of its parts from Mercedes. Oh well, maybe this is an argument for another time.
  • dubedube Posts: 2
    I have been trying to get the right price for a LEXUS ES330

    Good prices appear on many web sites , but when it comes to have a dealer sell you a car at that price it is nearly impossible.

    Can anyone help me to at least obtain a real quote from a recognized dealer that will be the same or lower than the prices obtained through the various web sites

    Many thanks
  • audia8qaudia8q Posts: 3,138
    what's the "right price" ???
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