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$25,000 would be a bargain because the '05 GT will offer similar if not better performance than the current Mach1.
Better check those sources again. Word around other Mustang forums and in the mags is that the next gen will be about $700 more for all trims. That means the GT will base at a little under $25,000. The V6 coupe will definitely be priced under $20k to start.
Someone mentioned that they might be considering a V6 body style with a V8 engine like the old LX 5.0. I could see that possibly starting slightly under $20k if it's true.
My sentiments exactly. Unless you need the back bench of course. Can't get that in a Vette.
I do need it right now so I think I'll stick with the Mustang.
lackofdave,
"oh and V6 they said starting at $16K."
Now that I haven't heard or read yet. If that's true Ford is dropping the price of a base V6 by about $2000. I find it pretty hard to believe that they can do that, but on the other hand I really hope they do!
Plus it's at the forefront of this whole "year of the car" mr. ford is promoting. if their most popular car doesn't post huge sales #s it might hit them in the pocket. who knows.
But I do wonder if this first GTO will be sorta like a slightly more successful new Thunderbird...a niche, pretty high-priced (in its segment) car that sells to a certain small crowd, but not enough to make it profitable?
a lot of it is brand loyalty.
I heard the same comment about offering a 300 hp car for under $20K. Great move IMO.
Offer IRS as an option on the GT and add the higher HP models and I bet they can't make them fast enough.
None has ever been compact.
2001 BMW 330ci/E46, 2008 BMW 335i conv/E93
Trust me, it'll be better than '64.
2001 BMW 330ci/E46, 2008 BMW 335i conv/E93
http://www.detnews.com/2004/autosinsider/0401/16/a01-35456.htm
Both systems include an in-dash six-CD changer that has the capability to play discs with MP3 computer files. This allows customers to play as many as 200 compressed music files from one disc, making the Mustang’s six-disc changer capable of becoming its own jukebox with more than 1,200 songs, or 60 hours of music.
In the trunk, the subwoofer enclosure for the 1000-watt system takes up significantly less space than in the last Mustang. Computer-aided engineering enabled developers to keep its interior volume the same (to produce the same bass) while taking up less usable space in the trunk."
I heard the same thing but we can still hope that the V8 will be offered in a sub-$20k trim can't we?
Can't really tell from the picture of the interior showing the auto shift lever. But the manual shifter looks to be a short-throw-style but has a HUGE chrome ball on it. The ten-spoke Shelby-style wheels with the spinners look decent.
I kind of like them also. It kind of looks like the caps from the Magnum 500 with the spinners attach to them. I think it gives the ten-spoke Shelbys an added touch. May be tough to keep clean, but can't a small price to pay for a decent wheel.
2001 BMW 330ci/E46, 2008 BMW 335i conv/E93
Actually, the Aussies have stayed true to the muscle car ethos more than we have. We're just seeing a resurgance of them here, but down under they never went away. Holden has a bunch of high performance, rwd cars...would that Pontiac could say that.
And yes, they had them back in the 1960s and 1970s as well. Those cars in Mad Max are all Australian models...
If it was just a new GM offering with no name on it, you wouldn't hear any cries of, "This isn't a REAL GTO!" The quality and finish are spot on, and the seats coddle you. And if you wonder why it's so heavy, the doors sound like the closing of a bank vault. I think GM has a world class high performance coupe, regardless of what you name it.
Scarlett says, "Who would by a GTO that is Australian?" How jingoistic can you be?
The excellent looking Ford Five-Hundred seems to take its design cues from the Australian Ford Falcon (although the Falcon comes with up to a 5.4 liter s/c V8). The lesson here? The Aussies are building cars the way we SHOULD be here: Great looking, lots of power and MANUAL transmissions.
P.S. The '05 Mustang GT, by the way, is AMAZING to see in person. It made the '04 Mach 1 that was sitting next to it look like a shipping crate.
GM enthusiasts, and Ford as well, have been asking for the Aussie cars for years, especially the Holden units. Most wanted the Monaro to be the F-body replacement, particularly the Camaro. Also we wanted the Commodore to be the Impala SS before Chevy brought it out at SEMA in 93, the ute to be an El Camino and most recently, though they aren't going to do it, the Monaro with a 427 c.i. LS1. Also agree on the point that if the vehicle was called something else, you wouldn't hear half as many complaints. Plus it could be that many are tired of GM nameplate engineering cars, taking great names and just sticking them on anything to try to increase sales such as changing the 2dr Lumina to Monte Carlo, 4dr Lumina to Impala, the late 90s Malibu/Cutlass, the zigging Catera/Opel.
But I do think Lutz is being given way too much credit for this move. Though he does deserve some credit for tapping their Holden resources, it's not like he made this miraculous discovery no one knew about.
Anyway, back on topic. What about the Mustang's interior? Big improve in the ergonomics or what? More concrete pricing info?
The silver & white Mustang GT had its driver's door wide open, and by appearances, the interior looks very livable. Snug, but very nice. Like the Pontiac, the 'Stang is just SO much nicer in person. I just gawked at it and said, "They're really going to build this thing." I can't wait to sit in one or take a test drive.
And yes, I'm still torn between the GTO and the Mustang... I will make my decision in about 9 months.
And the Ford 500 wasn't inspired by the Ford Falcon. The designer came from Audi and that car has Audi written all over it. And that's not a bad thing, especially with the interior.
I believe that if the GTO was a BMW or an Audi, people would say it's a great looking coupe. Instead, people have strong opinions because it's made by Pontiac and it uses a "legendary" name.
I'm a lot more unbiased than many pro-Ford or pro-Pontiac people, though.
The Mustang DID make the greatest visual impression on me, though it's hard for me to shake the bad impressions I have from the Fox platform. I know the new one will be much better, but the question for me remains, "Is it good enough?"
He did work at Audi/VW and was responsible for the new Beetle, and Audi TT among others.
So far he's done the T-Bird, '05 Mustang, and I can't remember the rest, for Ford.
FWIW he also had a large hand in designing the Shelby Cobra concept.
I for one think Ford's new line of cars is quite attractive (Save a couple like the Freestyle and Freestar) and can attribute them to my sudden change in new car plans. It'll be an '05 or '06 Mustang GT convertible for me. But the really great thing about all this is that if something drastic happens to our finances while I wait, I can either opt for the ample Mustang V6 or switch to one of the upcoming sedans and still have a great car!
I like where this is all going and I can't wait until they all hit the showrooms so I can pick and choose (if need be)!
We plan on trading in the wife's 02 Accord for a Mustang, and have never bought a car/truck that has been completely rebuilt from the ground up like this. What's everyones thoughts on new cars and new "bugs". Is it best to wait a year or 2?
First year models are not nearly as much of a risk as they used to be. There will probably be a few minor problems that may be annoying but you have to weigh that against not driving the car for a year. I bought a 2000 Lincoln LS 6 months after they came out. I had minor problems but I expected that going in and the joy of driving and ownership far outweighed the problems.
The other thing in your favor is how much publicity the new Mustang will be getting. Ford will go out of it's way to avoid or quickly fix any initial problems. More so than any other car I imagine.
I think the F-150 takes precedence but then again, it's not a car.
They will definitely be going out of their way to ensure a smooth launch though. There's no doubt about that.
Well THAT'S a huge leap of faith.
(I hope the initial quality is there, of course. I'm just pointing out that, once again, Snaker makes pronouncements with no supporting evidence...)
Mazda claimed to have used a "soapy" substance to apply the weather stripping on the Mazda6 doors. According to them the "soap" had a bad reaction with the paint and "stains" (which looks a lot like rust when you see the pictures) began to appear.
Only a 3-4 month batch of '03's were claimed to be affected and the problem has since been resolved. Mazda did issue a TSB to get rid of the stains.
You may or may not have heard of the Mazda6 "staining" issue. But if something like that happens to the Mustang you can bet it'll be front page news. Ford really can't afford for that to happen and I'm willing to bet they'll be extra careful with this one. You might see some little problems early on and maybe even a recall or two in the first year. But don't expect anything catastrophic.