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  • and does it use a timing chain or belt??thanks....oh im 21 and this is my first own truck (vehicle), its cool looking i justwant it to last a long time do u think the low miles were hard on it from sitting or am i just paranoid???!!
  • dannygdannyg Posts: 131
    Let us know how you like your new B3000 Dual Sport!

    Do you happen to recall the official MPG rating for the 2.3L? Is it the same as the 22/26 for the 2.5L? Sites like carpoint still either list the 2.5 or just show an approx number. Thanks.
  • tacoma_trdtacoma_trd Posts: 135
    I dont know the exact numbers for the mpg on the new 2.3L but I know along with more power the mpg is supposed to be a lot better than the 2.5L
  • lisbeylisbey Posts: 21
    I'm new to this discussion. Have been having a rough time deciding on a truck. I've driven just about everything possible and I think I have decided on the B4000. Anyone have a 2001? Any problems yet? I was quoted a price of $23,000 with after market running boards, power everything, DC player, sliding rear window, bed liner. Pretty much everything available on it. I drove the 3000 and didn't feel it had enough power. This will be my first truck purchase and as a woman, I do not want to be sold a bill of goods. I know when the Mazda was really Mazda and not Ford it was a great vehicle. I've also read some of the info on the Ranger as it is the same, but it seems no one has the 4 liter. Any advice?
  • tacoma_trdtacoma_trd Posts: 135
    there is a few people with the 4 liter, just post your messages in the few ranger rooms ive seen a few people with the 4 liter (the new one) and they seem to like it. I have had a 98 mazda for close to 3 years now and it had been great. I do not see any fault in the quality of mazda and I think they are a little better in ford in certain ways. personally I don think you can go wrong with the B4000. good luck on your purchase and keep us updated!
  • maltbmaltb Posts: 3,572
    Lisa, I drove a 2001 B4000 4x4 for about a week and it was a very nice truck. All the negatives of the old 4.0L were taken care of by the new 205hp V-6. Of course the gas mileage was what I consider to be poor, but par for the course. As far as reliability goes, even though they are a Ford product, Mazda has instituted there own quality checks at the assembly plant. As Tacoma stated, I think they are a cut above the Ford and you get a longer warranty to boot.

    :)
  • lisbeylisbey Posts: 21
    Thanks for the info. I will keep you posted. Right now I'm just waiting for the dealer to get trucks in he ordered and drive the 4000. They had none in stock when I went which is why I had to drive the 3000. A final test drive and zero percent financing for 48 months will probably clinch it. Malt barley, huh?
  • maltbmaltb Posts: 3,572
    Anytime.

    Yes, malt barley. Have you seen me lately, if so, probably too much. Remember kids, don't drink and drive!

    :)
  • mdaffronmdaffron Posts: 4,421
    I tried to warn you guys a year ago, in message no. 244. Here's the text of that message again, and it explains why I'll never buy another product with a Ford-built engine.

    Please note: This is not an uninformed flame; I owned this vehicle for five years (finally got rid of it last May, about a month after I posted the following message). I also spoke with other owners of B2300s/Ranger 2.3L's who had the same problem. If you want more proof, go check out the 2.3L message board at www.fordranger.com. I have never been so upset with a vehicle before; I purchased it new and hated it from the fourth month on. Good luck, and here's the post from last year:

    Rlaukaitis, don't expect your engine clatter to go away. My 1994 B2300 has been pinging since it had 8,000 miles on the odometer; five years later it's still doing it at 117,000. Early on I was my dealer's worst enemy -- my truck must've been in the shop 100 times for this. I'd take up a lot of space telling you all the things that have been replaced -- some two or three times. Suffice to say we've replaced EVERY sensor, the ENTIRE EGR system (not just the valve), the truck's computer (twice), entire exhaust system, MAF sensor, intake manifold, and even remanufactured the head. The only positive thing I can say about my experience owning this truck is that I've learned a lot about how engines work (or don't work), and oh yes, I've learned -- too late for me -- how my state's lemon law works. I'll tell you this: I'm trading in my piecajunk Mazford in a few months and I will never own another Ford-built product. The pinging was only part of the whole problem. The final nail in the coffin came when the Mazda factory tech rep, at the request of my dealership's service manager, rode with me in the truck, admitted he heard the noise, and then got back out at the dealership and told the service manager there was nothing wrong with my truck. Mazda will not help you solve this problem. My advice is to check your state's lemon law, get documentation of the times you've taken the truck in for the same problem, and then pursue getting your dealership to buy you out of your loan. I would have done it if I'd known soon enough. Good luck!

    There you have it. I assumed (and we all know what that means!) that the re-boring of the 2.3L engine to make it a 2.5L a couple of years ago would've helped the engine breathe easier and solve the problem. By what I've been reading here, it looks like the problem still exists. If anyone is lurking here, wondering whether to purchase a Mazda B-series truck or a Ford Ranger, my advice (to be taken as such, but remember: I warned you) is not to get the four-cylinder engine. It appears Ford is still using their customers to test an unproven engine design. That's sad.

    Meade in Virginia
  • maltbmaltb Posts: 3,572
    I have yet to drive the 2.3L P/U but I can say that I never once heard pinging from my 2000 B2500. I have hauled 1/2 ton of gravel and plenty of other loads as well as driven it up to it's cutout(that took a while) without complaints. Either they fixed it or I got lucky.

    B2300s are in production now, so when I get my hands on one I'll post my 2 cents.

    Meade, sorry to hear about your negative experience with the truck and your Mazda rep(do you recall his name?). I think we all wish these trucks were still made in Hofu, Japan.

    :)
  • dannygdannyg Posts: 131
    Note that the new 2.3L mentioned in #370 is a completely different engine than the old 2.3L mentioned in #369. The old 2.3L and 2.5L are the same OHV engine with different bore. The new 2.3L is an OHC engine.

    The new 2.3L has a lower compression ratio than the current 2.5L, I'm hoping this helps the pinging problem. I'll be test-driving the new 2.3L this spring some time, I'll post any comments.
  • I have a 2001 B3000 Dual Sport with 2300 miles on it and I am getting unbelievably poor gas mileage. Currently I am getting no more than 14 mpg around town and can only go about 215 miles on a fillup. In addition, the truck seems rather underpowered for a supposed 170 hp engine. Whats the deal? A guy in my apartment complex has the same exact truck and the same exact complaints. Is it that the platform is designed for a 4x4 package and my configuration is 2 wheel drive? Is there something wrong with the gearing or the transmission package? Has anyone else had problems with this model? War Eagle!
  • maltbmaltb Posts: 3,572
    Rob, I have a B3000 DS, manual trans on order right now. I assume that you have the auto trans and not the manual? I have driven both from the previous year. It seems that Ford loves to make there automatics slipery and slushy which eats power and gas. I think if Mazda actually designed this thing you would be able to feel the 170hp.

    As far as DS being the problem, I don't think so. I've driven various configs of B-trucks and height has not seemed to matter; the 4x4 is always slower though.

    :)
  • dannygdannyg Posts: 131
    The 3.0L automatic is rated at 16mpg city, so I'm afraid 14mpg around town isn't too far off. Plus, they say all cars/trucks burn more gas at the beginning, before they are completely broken in. The highway rating is 21mpg. For highway driving, a tonneau or cap will help with MPG.

    Note that the engine is rated at 150hp not 170hp. Since the DS has a lot of the features of the 4x4, it weighs more than a "regular" 4x2. This might explain some of the lack of performance.

    The new 4.0L SOHC has a little over 200hp.
  • kentroskentros Posts: 5
    I've owned a 1990 2wd B2600i since brand new.
    Now has 152,000 miles.Has been excellent truck
    since new- solidly built too. Engine uses a timing chain.Have gone through a couple of exhausts
    though I do live in the Northeast and right now
    My head Gasket is leaking and will have to be replaced. Other than that, No problems.Plan to
    keep it at least till 200,000 miles
  • tacoma_trdtacoma_trd Posts: 135
    Well it was hard to say good-bye but I sold my 98 B2500 last night, I do not have one complaint, it ran awesome and I loved it but once I drove a tacoma I fell in love. Good luck to all you mazda owners out there!
  • wrosiewrosie Posts: 1
    1994 B-3000. Stopped at a light, put the truck in neutral. My 5 up manual transmission would not go into gear and it would grind when attempting reverse. Pushed it off road, stopped engine and was able to get it into gear. Drove for two weeks no problems. Now I have to fight it into 1st, 2nd and it grinds going into reverse. Once I start driving, no problem with 3rd, 4th or 5th. Checked oil in transmission, it was low, so I added 2 pints of AFT (owners manual). Still having same problem. Checked the clutch fluid in the reservoir, it was full. Should I bleed the clutch, would this fix the problem? I was told the clutch doesn't have synchronizers; they live on the transmission main shaft. Can this be fixed or do I need a new transmission?
  • maltbmaltb Posts: 3,572
    Sounds like a clutch problem. Reverse doesn't typically have syncro rings(don't need it) so if you are getting a lot of grinding make sure the clutch is disengaging. Bleeding it sounds like a good idea, but unless you have done some work on the clutch master/slave you shouldn't be having a problem with air in the line.

    :)
  • krlsmlkrlsml Posts: 1
    Please, please tell me my gas mileage will get better. We bought a 3000 DS two weeks ago and so far the mileage stinks. I drive 80 miles to work and back each day and I can't handle this. I don't want to be hating this truck for the next five years. So far it's been about 200 miles to a tank. I did get almost 300 miles once-is that a good sign of things to come?
  • dannygdannyg Posts: 131
    Well, the sticker says 16MPG city for a DS. That about what you'll get in around-town driving. Highway rating is 21MPG. Try a tonneau or cap to improve highway MPG, particularily if you drive fast.


    http://carpoint.msn.com/Vip/Engines/Mazda/B-Series/2001.asp


    Have you calculated your MPG? What are you getting?


    Yes, you should get slightly better MPG after the first couple of thousand miles (after the engine breaks in completely).

  • flyslow1flyslow1 Posts: 1
    I just bought a new 2001 B3000 Dual Sport. Can you believe it? I've lived in in Texas since 1968 and this is the first pick-up I've ever owned. So far, so good, but I'd like to put a soft tonneau cover on it. Any advice?
  • Hi I have seen numerous messages throughout the board regarding the "Ford" engines compared to the Mazda engines. When is a good cut off date to go by. I was looking at a 1996 B2500 w/53k but want to gather a little more info if possible.
    Any assistance will be appreciated.
    Also how is hwy gas mileage with the 112 hp?
    Thanks
  • maltbmaltb Posts: 3,572
    All Mazda trucks model year 1994 and later sold in the US are built by Ford.

    In 1996, the four cylinder was a B2300, i.e. a 2.3L(basically a smaller version of the 2.5L).

    EPA estimates are:
    M/T 23/28
    A/T 21/25

    With my B2500 M/T, I averaged about 21mpg, but I have a heavy foot.

    :)
  • good_guygood_guy Posts: 11
    I am seriously considering the Mazda B4000 DS since I like the 4.0l engine (looks good on paper), the prerunner style, and the sexier bed, overall it lookes better than the Ranger Edge, although I like the Vinyl on the Edge. But my biggest concern is the payload. I looked at the brochure and the internet and Mazda list it to have only 1200 lb payload, while the Ranger XLT can get up to 1600 lbs. Is there an option that I could increase the GVWR to ~5100 lbs and get the higher payload. Less than 1500 lb payload capacity is too small for what I want.

    Leo dC
  • scape2scape2 Posts: 4,119
    to increase payload. It costs about 160bucks.. Edmunds used to list it but now I don't see it???
  • ctmyers1ctmyers1 Posts: 1
    Awesome baby! I love it, it's green 5speed manual, I love how the suspension is raised but you don't have to have a 4x4. You especially don't need it here in Houston! :) Hey flyslow1, where do you live in Tejas? This is my first pickup since my '88 Mitsubishi Mighty Max back in my high school days, I can't believe I got rid of that fun little truck :( But this more than makes up for it! If anyone here in H-town is looking for a good Mazda get a hold of Justin Flanagan at Jeff Haas Mazda, he is the Internet Sales Manager and he never tried to talk me up or out of our vehicles, I got the B3000 DS and my wife got a silver 626 LX. Great cars, good job Mazda!
  • maltbmaltb Posts: 3,572
    Congrats on your truck! I'm still waiting for my red B3000 DS. Let me know how yours does over these next few weeks.

    :)
  • campoutcampout Posts: 22
    Hello to everyone on the list. I am currently in the market for a compact pickup truck, own a '97 Ford F-150, good truck but it's time to downsize. Have always liked the Mazda B-Series better than the Ford Ranger even though they are mechanically similar. My question, can anyone recommend a Mazda dealer in the Chicagoland area? and how is the availability of these trucks, especially 4wd. Any help greatly appreciated.

    Sincerely,

    Paul
  • dannygdannyg Posts: 131
    Looks like the official MPG numbers are finally out for the new 2.3L 4cyl: 24mpg city and 28 hwy for the 5sp. The old 2.5L 5sp was 22/26, if I recall correctly, so that's a nice increase in both MPG (and HP is up too). The numbers drop to 21/25 for the automatic.


    http://www.mazdausa.com/trucks/specs/default.asp?vehicle=trucks&did=50706#7

  • lisbeylisbey Posts: 21
    I FINALLY picked up my B-4000 today and I love it so far. I'm getting a little worried about the gas going to $3 a gallon since I up-sized from a Mercury Tracer. It's monochromatic red. I was going with silver until I saw the red. It's very hot. To cam pout: I began shopping for my 4000 in early March. The Detroit dealers didn't have any, but they all had them on order. Of course, I missed the zero percent financing for 48 months because there was no inventory. Now until sometime in June they are offering 4.9% with a $500 rebate. Any advice on a break-in period for this thing? It was driven about 90 highway miles from another dealership for me to get and I worry about how it was driven. The only thing I've noticed so far is the tail gait has a gap on the passenger side. Of course, I was already home with it. You can't see it from standing behind the truck. I noticed it while looking at the bed from the cab. How's the barley?
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