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2005-2007 Toyota Avalon

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  • mackabeemackabee Posts: 4,709
    I gave you plenty of reasons to come see me for your Sienna xle Arctic Frost with HO package and you never showed up!

                          : )0< Vic
  • buckwheatbuckwheat Posts: 396
    Can you comment on the custom order post#849, is this for real?
  • pmcb48pmcb48 Posts: 192
    reasons blur in my (getting older) memory. Ended up with XLE Limited. Since consensus (at time) was MSRP, even more so for a custom-ordered Limited, and since I hate negotiating anyway and hate wasting people's time even more, ended up flipping a coin as to where to go. But then it's another year and another (Avalon, this time) Limited. Maybe another coin, too! :-)
  • mackabeemackabee Posts: 4,709
    Maybe next time. I was doing $500-1000 off MSRP at the time but only when I had a bonafide buyer in front of me. May do the same with the Avalon.

                  ; )

                   Mackabee
  • mackabeemackabee Posts: 4,709
    No such thing. There was at one point a few years ago some discussion about being able to walk into your Toyota dealer and pick and choose options and voila! 12 weeks later your new Toyota would be waiting at the dealer. Nothing official ever came of it. Toyota's "Just in time" production system does not allow for it.

               : )

                Mackabee
  • larryt22larryt22 Posts: 125
    That is really disappointing to hear. I am reaching the age where my next vehicle purchased could potentially be the last new vehicle I ever purchase. I want it to be my dream vehicle speced out exactly as I want it. Zero exceptions! I can't tell you today exactly what that is, but if Toyota can't produce the vehicle I want, I WILL go elsewhere if I can get what I want somewhere else. I know Toyota doesn't really care about losing one sale to me, but I have to feel there are many others out there that feel exactly the same way.
  • buckwheatbuckwheat Posts: 396
    mackabee, thanks for the response..

     

    larryt22, I share your disappointment..
  • wesgwesg Posts: 24
    I agree with larryt22 (post #867). I drive an 89 Camry (265,000 miles) and a 97 Camry (78,000 miles), so a new 2005 Avalon very well may be the last new vehicle I purchase. We'd like to have a very nice vehicle to tour the United States and visit our old Air Force towns where I was stationed...and would like to have specific items, ie., all the goodies without the navigational system. I intend to purchase a Garmin Street Pilot in lieu of the factory option. So..it would be nice to be able to specifically order factory installed items and to leave some out. Guess time will tell..and maybe there will be a hint on January 10.
  • jdeibjdeib Posts: 70
    I have to say that my car was a custom order. I say this because in the fall of 2001 when the new Camry came out I wanted a 4 cyl SE with cloth seats, fully loaded. The problem was Toyota was not building them with the ABS and the Side Airbags. The option list stated that this was possible, but the factory wasn't producing them. My dealer called their supplier (Mid-Atlantic) and confirmed that nothing like this was on the schedule for production. They received approval to have this car built to how I wanted it. It was not simply waiting for a future car that the factory was scheduled to build with those options, it was an order. Simply put, if I didn't specify this particular car, it never would have been built. I'm sure Toyota doesn't encourage doing this, and it will be at least a three month wait if you are truly asking for something special. But it is possible. Good luck!
  • fsvfsv Posts: 196
    That's sort of depressing! Be positive, we'll live forever. Hopefully.

     

    Anybody knows when the car hits the dealerships?
  • cove148cove148 Posts: 117
    The link for the unveiling of the 2005 is on toyota.com. The live event is to take place Monday the 10th at 10:30PST. Maybe they will tell us when to expect it to be in the dealerships. The latest information that I have is some time next month.
  • bluesman3bluesman3 Posts: 202
    A few of my local dealers are telling me they will have their first Limiteds on 1/15, but of course they're all sold...
  • mackabeemackabee Posts: 4,709
    What they did for you is known as an FRS change. We do this often. As long and I repeat, as long as the options you want are offered on the trim level of the car you want it can be done. This is nothing special as opposed to a special order vehicle which requires an act of Toyota congress to be built. Let me explain. Say you want an 2004 Avalon XLS with no leather and no moonroof. These are options correct? the brochure and source book say they are. But alas you go to every Toyota dealer in your area and there are none to be found without leather and moonroof. So you decide to "special order" your vehicle after being told that it will take 3-6 months to get (usually 3 months) that is IF the factory decides to build it. They have already scheduled production for the next month of nothing but loaded XLS Avalons and only have the parts for that certain amount of Avalons at the factory ready to begin production. Now in comes a "special order" of a car without leather and no roof. What's the plant manager going to do? In my 8 plus years selling Toyotas I've done 4 or 5 special orders and they are no fun. The first one was for a 1997 Tacoma 4x4 5spd which when we finally got it in arrived as a 1998 Tacoma and one of the options the customer wanted was no longer offered for 1998 so we had to make a "concession" to the customer to keep them happy. The next one was also a Tacoma which if I'm not mistaken happened to be the last V6 equipped 2wd extended cab built in the US. Color was Cool Steel metallic, had power windows and door locks, etc, and that one also took 3 months to get in and then the customer wanted to negotiate some more after the truck arrived. Another one was for a 4runner Limited in the Autumn Bronze metallic color which besides that one I have only seen one other and that one had Florida plates. The customer got tired of waiting and ended up buying a Sunfire red pearl in stock. A week after her purchase the truck came in. She wanted to trade the red one in but I convinced her not to as she would probably lose bit of money. (She's one of my regular customers, later traded in the 4runner on an Avalon, then traded the Avalon in on the new 4runner) Now let's get back to your special order Avalon. After waiting 3 months your car finally arrives at the dealership. You get a call from your trusty salesperson (if he's still at that dealership!) to let you know the car is there. (After all, he/she doesn't get paid until the car is burning gas). You go in and pick up your new baby. Two or three years later you fall in love with the latest offering from (fill in the blank) and decide to trade your special order car. Well since this is an XLS "strippy" as we call these pups. Not one dealer wants to take it in as trade as it's an oddball car and will probably sit on the lot forever before someone falls in love with it. Now back to reality. What is it that you don't want on this car? It's always puzzled me why someone would want a top of the line vehicle and not want the goodies that come with it. It's like getting a steak with no baked potato, no salad, no drink, and no dessert.

                          ; )

                        Mackabee
  • I am interested in the new avalon, it looks very nice. But, I wonder about the price point. Overall, the car seems to offer about what you get with a Lexus ES330, and I've seen on the lexus board that those are selling for about $32k in well equiped form. Unless the Avalon offers more for, say, $3-4k less, why go with a non-premium brand with a lesser warranty, less "prestige", and w/o the great service Lexus owners rave about?
  • alpha01alpha01 Posts: 4,747
    But what about when somebody wants a vehicle that just doesnt seem to come equipped with the options he/she wants, which are MORE than the norm. For example, what about getting a Camry SE 4 cylinder 5A with Premium Pkg, VSC, and Side Curtains. I've never seen one like this, though its the Camry I'd want at this stage of the game. Not all special orders are "strippy" models.

     

    ~alpha
  • bluesman3bluesman3 Posts: 202
    Mackabee,

     

    Why do people not want all the "goodies" on a top of the line car?

     

    Well let's face it, they put way more into a car than some people want or need. Why should we pay for it? My purpose is to buy a car that suits my needs and makes me feel good, not pad the saleman's retirement account and the manufacturer's profit margin.

     

    Example:

    I don't want a sunroof, I don't like the glare or the heat, and usually I'm on the phone or listening to the radio, an open sunroof is just wind noise to me. Yet, most of the top of the line models have one, and it's usually an extra $900 I could spend someplace else.

     

    Now, just because it may be more difficult for you to sell a car without a sunroof isn't really my problem is it? By the time I trade that car in it will be beat into the ground and the lack of a sunroof or other option will be the least of your concerns, you'll just want to be rid of the car at that point.

     

    I also don't want an XM/Sirius radio, thus, I'm not going to pay the extra $325 for one installed, I'd rather buy an I-pod instead.

     

    The whole point of this is about purpose, it's about what we the consumer wants, not what you the salesman wants.........What's your purpose in that endeavor?
  • mackabeemackabee Posts: 4,709
    Alpha, read the first two sentences again.

                     : )

                

    Bluesman3, you missed the whole point entirely. I don't care what you want to buy. It's my job to sell what is on the lot or available from the factory. It has nothing to do with "padding my retirement account" (boy, that's a good one!)or what I want. The whole point of my illustration was that if the options are available on the trim level of the car you want from Toyota, then it can be built. You can't pick and choose options from an XLS to be put into an XL, or Camry, pick the model. If Toyota doesn't offer what you want then go elsewhere. That's the great thing about living in this country. We have plenty of choices.

                       : )

                     Mackabee
  • Proof positive that big wheels and tint can add style to a very conservative design.

     

       It passes for an "executive saloon", and not a "Japanese Buick".

     

       DrFill
  • toycashtoycash Posts: 139
    You can place a special order for any Toyota, import or domestic built, except for Prius and Sienna. It usually takes about 3 months and as was said before, you can order anything you want as long as its listed as available for that particular model.
  • mackabeemackabee Posts: 4,709
    Actually, you can order a Sienna and a Prius also. Try getting a Prius though, that's a different story.

                  : )

                  Mackabee
  • pmcb48pmcb48 Posts: 192
    I am curious as to how "leaked info" in this forum compares to what Toyota has told you guys. Have heard zip from dealer where we got our Sienna re the Avalon, although my name is "#1" on their call list (post-January 10th I guess). Have you been FYI-ing any of your non-computer literate customers?

     

    I anticipate paying a courtesy call to my Sienna dealer when Avalons are officially for sale, but if (as I expect) they squat at MSRP, I will come and see you. I would think some "give" is in there for a deal on a maxed-out Avalon Limited (including nav and adaptive cruise control) and remote start (factory installed?), plus dealer profit on 72/100K Toyota platinum extended warranty and dealer cut on Toyota financing. Must also leave off pinstripes and other "packs" and any dealer logo. Who wants the deal the most? Have appreciated your straight talk. :-)
  • alpha01alpha01 Posts: 4,747
    Sharp. Interestingly, post #877 of this forum has been deleted.... it contained this and several other photos of the new Avalon. Im guessing edmunds.com was afraid of embargo restrictions; there was a big article in the WSJ today about how upset the automakers are about the advent of the web and spy shots....

     

    ~alpha
  • mackabeemackabee Posts: 4,709
    Well Doc, you'd be surprised what we have to go through and why customers know more about the vehicles sometimes then we do. Usually the "factory reps" or more like "distributor reps" go from dealer to dealer doing "in house" training on a new model before the car gets to the dealer. Back in 2000 when the redesigned Celica, the Echo, and the Mr2 Spyder were released I asked one of the reps why we were getting the cars and then a month later we were having the training on them. He replied that that's the way we wanted it. Funny, because nobody asked me. Anyway, info on new models is kept pretty tight. We get our info the same way you do. Spy shots, erronous magazine articles and so forth. The real information comes out a few weeks before the cars actually arrive at the dealer. Actual pricing will probably be out about a week before the car hits ground.

                      : )

                     Mackabee
  • We took delivery of one of the first Solara convertibles this past March. If I recall correctly, Job 1 rolled February 26, ours was built on March 16 and was delivered to the dealer shortly after. As far as info, I have a very good relationship with the dealer and he kept me posted with any and all info when he had it..needless to say there was more info "leaked" on the net then what was officially presented to him via Toyota.
  • buckwheatbuckwheat Posts: 396
    I'm not sure it has anything to do with an embargo unless you are posting a photo without a URL link. I have been advised by the host of another board that it is okay to link to another message board provided the intent was to view published photos - articles etc. without viewing the written posted contents of members of that message board. That is cause for deletion, if I understood her correctly!
  • pmcb48pmcb48 Posts: 192
    Just read the WSJ article (1/7/05) at the library. The central example was GM's desire to launch the 2006 super-Corvette at the Detroit Auto Show, the same one the new Avalon will be launched at. They mentioned GM had a 9 November 2004 "media day", at which they released photos, etc. with the restriction that nothing would be published prior to January 10th. If somebody cheated, though, Automotive magazine said "we won't be first, but we won't be third,either." While in the library I checked the February issues of Car&Driver and Motor Trend--both had big articles on the Corvette! The Avalon is in a media backwater by comparison, but our little group has done a pretty good job of getting out the good stuff!
  • Very nice pics. The new Avalon is looking sweeter everytime a new picture of it is posted!
  • alpha01alpha01 Posts: 4,747
    Gotcha, thanks for the post, you cleared things up for me.

     

    ~alpha
  • dodgedodge Posts: 25
    Does anyone know how much horsepower and torqe that the 2006 avalon will have?
  • future1future1 Posts: 103
    Reposting the "spy" specs for dodge and everyone else who missed it earlier in the thread:

     

    http://www.tundrasolutions.com/dealers/vehicles/2005-Avalon/index- .htm

     

    Incidentally, the new Avalon will be known as 2005, not 2006. The oficial specs will probably be posted shortly after Mon, Jan 10, after the Avalon introduction at the Detroit show.
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