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Infiniti G35 vs. Acura TL
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I was playing with it when I said 'high' but I meant is 'low', 'is many','3>5', lol.
next time I will use grammar and spelling checker, lol.
I think it depends how much snow / ice you get where you live. Obviously AWD is a great option to have for snow and ice. It's alos a plus even if you in a warmer climate, as the AWD will perform better than FWD on wet roads. Also 270 HP and a 60% front-biased weight distribution is a quite workout for two front wheels whose full-time job is steering & braking.
I, too, like the looks of the TL better than the G35, but will not get the TL since AWD is not available. Instead I'll wait for the new 250 HP Legacy.
I wouldn't put much stock in TL performance in edmunds in slalom over G & 3, unless it can be confirmed by other testers. In addition to slalom, I like to see their times around a race course. It's well known 350Z can hang with, and often outperform, M3 in a race track. The G is basically a Z sedan. I doubt TL can hang with G on a track.
"While many of Bangle's designs have been controversial, most of the products of Shiro Nakamura's studios have prompted raves. Nakamura is Nissan's director of design, and according to design analyst Robert Cumberford, he's had the fastest influence on automotive design since Harley Earl created GM's first styling studio 75 years ago."
Full article: http://thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thestar/Layou- t/Article_Type1&c=Article&cid=1077059706363&call_page- id=982125486186&col=982125490898
BTW, Cumberford is Automobile's design editor.
Maybe the FX and G coupe- other than that everthing else is just mediocre.
Not to mention the inside of their cars-I think the Koreans have surpassed them.
Any one ever heard of the Z? Thats a pretty good design too IMO. And the Maxima - helluva an eyecatcher in the mid size front drive not really a sports sedan but cost as much category...at least its got some guts and makes a statement rather than say "nothing" or "i want everyone why buys cars to like me and think im pretty"!
The one recent Nissan design that I really don't like is the Quest, which I think looks funky, both exterior and interior.
The Infiniti G35 Coupe is Nissan's biggest styling achievement. I can't think of one Honda/Acura product on the same page, style wise. Maybe the S2000, possibly.
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No other Japanese comes close to Nissan in design. I'd put Mazda in 2nd place. I've never heard anyone giving design awards to Honda or Toyota. But I think new TL is a big improvement for Honda/Acura.
You know how people often say HOnda's the 2nd largest Japanese automaker. Globally Nissan outproduced Honda in January. Guess is saying will have to be revised soon.
http://www.detnews.com/2004/autosinsider/0402/25/autos-73026.htm
In 1984 the tuaras was the best example of american design going at the time. J2000 anyone? If Ford had refined it and refined it and not gone overly ovoid in that 3rd generation version, and not flooded the market with 300,000 more a year than should have been procuded creating a rental car glut and falling from the sky values....
At the time the Car was the saviour of the company and they sold a ton of them for a reason - initially. Supposedly they looked to Audi for the design cues - clean and aerodynamic...it's not appreciated anymore and rightfully so since ford has mismanaged the product and it's direction and it became what it is.
Honda/Acura: last generation Integra was cool looking. The last generation Accord Coupe was cool looking. The new TL and TSX are pretty good looking vehicles. I thought maybe the 1992-1996 Prelude was Honda's best styling work. I liked the 01-03 MDX. I don't like the refresh for 04 though. Can't wait for the new NSX. I saw a picture. I think its going to come out nice.
Mazda: the new 6, RX-8, and Protege 5 are good styling works. Can't wait to see next generation Miata. I'll reserve judgement for the 3.
Nissan: I like the Altima, Q45, Murano, and 350Z. I just don't know how good the Altima and Murano are going to look in the long term. I respect Nissan for being bold though.
Honda, Nissan, and Mazda have all made understated cars that look better than American Cars from like 1993. The 93 Altima and 93 626 look better than most domestic's from 93 do. The 94 Accord has aged well.
Nissan, Mazda, and Honda all have to offer something different. This can't be the late 90's where they offer the same exact thing. Toyota I don't know about them.
This pretty much matches my thoughts...except I would have put the TL above the 325.
I personally do not like the smaller trunk of the '04 TL but that seems to be the only drawback I can see. The engine pulls from lower rpm and feels smoother, and the car does handle better than my TL, but the G35 will probably out handle the newer '04. However, the TL has more luxury items and yes, I agree the interior is of better quality. The G35 seems to have stronger brakes, but the TL has better electronics and probably the best NAV system in the business right now.
Don't underestimate the braking performance of TLs equipped with Brembos.
I agree with you, Chris. Only problem is you can't remachine cross drilled/slotted rotors. Even though it's less likely, if they do get even slightly warped under heavy usage, they're garbage.
I'm very pleased with the performance of the 4 piston caliper Brembos on my TL. Very short stopping distances and there's no fading in their performance under heavy braking conditions. The rotors are not cross drilled/slotted but they're large and remachinable if there's a problem -- a very acceptable compromise.
No other complaints- the car is blast to drive.
I'm at 48k miles and still on original tires, don't really care for them, and can't wait to get something else. Been thinking about the Yoko H4V4 or something like that. Anyone recommend better tires than the original OEM Michelins?
another small issue I have w/ the TL. it's no biggie actually, but when your car comes to a stop, does it seem like the car lurches a little? as if the torque converter is unloading or similar to that? I never felt a car that had this same feeling.
This high performance all season tire is the best value for the buck and is the #1 choice with Consumer Reports.
kahunah, thanks for the tire tip. will look into it. Do you have it? is it quiet and what yr/model TL do you have?
I have the '04 Silver/Ebony 6-Speed TL with Brembos and summer tires. Got the car in November, so I put Dunlop Winter Sport M2s on for the snow season (awesome tires). The OEM Bridgestone Potenza RE030 summer tires aren't bad but not great (much better than the EL42s for sure). When they wear out (and that won't take long) I'll probably replace them with Falken Azenis ST-115s or Bridgestone Potenza RE750s.
http://www.bxtimes.com/News/2002/0307/Letters/005.html
dg725 - Maybe you need to move to Nebraska. :-/
Do you think Infiniti is a step above Acura?
Look I have a G and over time this board has come to almost accept it as the best value out there in class. I will be compelled to help people see the light on this until the new 3 comes out or someone else stands a chance at beating the G performance which has been consistently stellar in all forums and reviews slight 1 perhaps. To listen to some the brembo brakes and the HIDs make this car worth buying. To those teetering on the edge of a decision I say if you are intersted in those things get a G. If you are intersted in raw and balanced performance - get a G!
I don't see any Acura owners admitting to that.
Talk to me when the G's interior catches up with the industry, also please tell Nissan to change those funky tail lights on the G.
I told you this before- my wife's $24,000.00 Accord interior makes the G look primitive.
I guess we can go back and forth with this- but these are just my opinion on the car.
I have no gripe with Nissan (unlike some people do with Acura)- "heck",my next vehicle might be a FX 35 OR 45.