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Nissan Titan vs. Ford F150

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  • triattriat Posts: 121
    I'm just curious. How many miles do you drive clients for your business?

    Is A/C a huge issue where you live? It was brutal that cold day in November when I wanted to check Titan's A/C. But I had to check, we have long hot summers...
  • nvbankernvbanker Posts: 7,285
    I take clients to lunch pretty frequently. Not a lot of miles, but several times a week.

    A/C is probably my #1 issue in both of my homes, one in Vegas and one in Florida. I usually try to buy my cars in the summer for that reason, to make sure I've got a unit that can keep me cool. It's one reason I've been happy with Fords, they usually have great A/C. The current Town Car is an exception, I've noted in rentals. I keep the Caravan in Florida, and the others in Vegas. A/C is KING for me. If a car has weak or trouble prone A/C, I'll dump the car regardless of loss.
  • I was considering the Titan, Tundra and F150 for my next truck. I test drove all 3 on the same day this weekend to get a good comparison. The F150 is a nice truck but it needs a few extras to bring it up to the value that the Titan offers. After some research I also found the F150's reliabilty to be terrible. As one book put it "Ford's reliabilty in recent years has been atrocious" Titan had no rating as it is a first year truck (potential start up glitches) but in examining the Frontier ratings they were very good as far as reliability was concerned.

    Upon driving both I was amazed at the diference. The Ford felt like I was driving a tank! You could really feel the weight of the vehicle. It did not feel like a 300 HP engine at all. Now I understand all the sluggish comments I have been reading. My wife had similar thoughts after driving it and though it was a good truck for "Sunday drivers"

    Then I test drove the Titan right after and felt like I was the pilot of a rocket! Man does it go. You really feel the power when you step on the gas. IMO the Titan blows the Ford out of the water. My wife's comments..."this is a truck's truck. This is what a truck should feel like"

    My decision has been made, my next truck will be a Titan. Nissan has done their homework and put together an excellent truck.
  • ANT14ANT14 Posts: 2,687
    "As one book put it "Ford's reliabilty in recent years has been atrocious" "

    And which book is this, since it's totally false. I would question the source of this book since the F-150 ranked #1 highest in long term dependability.

    My source:
    JDPower and Associates
    http://www.jdpower.com/cc/auto/releases/winners.asp?StudyID=749&a- mp;CatID=1
  • keaneckeanec Posts: 349
    Doesn't matter which book said it...Ford III himself said he knows Ford has quality problems lately. So, he is the CEO of Ford - is he wrong or is your source right???? Ever own a windstar? a Taurus? Are those reliable vehicles? Go back to the F-150 site and read about the brand new 2004 F-150 that completely lost its brakes. Is that reliable?
  • dustykdustyk Posts: 2,926
    Our service fleet switched to F150s in '97. The '99 and '00s were very good, but '01s and up increasingly had more quality-related issues and unscheduled maintenance (repairs).

    Dusty
  • "And which book is this, since it's totally false. I would question the source of this book since the F-150 ranked #1 highest in long term dependability"

    I was reading a book called Lemon-aid for trucks and vans. It is published yearly by Phil Edmonston, very respected for his knowledge in the industry. His books are very knowledgeable IMO and are very popular in Canada.
  • keaneckeanec Posts: 349
    I have read his lemon-aid guides too - he seems to be always bang on the money. He rips all bad vehicles and companies equally - American or other!
  • bowke28bowke28 Posts: 2,185
    the only reason the ford was ranked that way is because until 1994, the only competitor was chevy. in other words, it wasnt because of the high quality, it was because of a lack of competition.

    kinda like a super bowl between detroit and arizona. ;-)
  • ANT14ANT14 Posts: 2,687
    "..Ford III himself said he knows Ford has quality problems lately. So, he is the CEO of Ford - is he wrong or is your source right????"

    Just like GM admitted in the past they had quality problems as well. Just like Toyota admitted they had a sludge problem with their 3.0L V6 engines if not properly maintained. Just like Honda admitted trannies on certain vehicles had issues and extended the warranty, just like Ford had head gasket issues with the 3.8L and extended warranties in them. Your point?

    The fact was, this book stated that the F-150 had "astrocious" dependability. And I showed proof it was the actually leader on dependability.

    "Ever own a windstar? a Taurus? Are those reliable vehicles? "

    No I dont believe in FWD vehicles. But I do know of Windstar and Taurus owner's that have had them for years without any issues. Just view some of their message boards. Just a few bad lemons, doesn't mean everyone got lemons.

    " Go back to the F-150 site and read about the brand new 2004 F-150 that completely lost its brakes. Is that reliable? "

    Just as one Titan owner mentioned on another car board mentioned his airbag popped unexpectedly, another one is having electrical issues. Point? A few bad lemons, doesn't mean everyone is getting a lemon. Remember, people will complain more often, than to compliment.

    "the only reason the ford was ranked that way is because until 1994, the only competitor was chevy"

    The Dependability study/report was based upon vehicles from the past 3-5 years... NOT 1994. Yes, the F-150 did beat out the Tundra...imagine that. Of course, some will claim that's unholy and impossible, but the print is there.
  • nvbankernvbanker Posts: 7,285
    Personally, I didn't have the greatest luck with my Taurus/Sables, but my cousin is on his 3rd Taurus, and got 350,000 out of his first one, 250,000 out of his second, and has 100,000 on his third so far, and swears by them. We're talking 2 89s and the current one is a 00. So, yes, I'd have to say they were reliable on the whole.
  • landru2landru2 Posts: 638
    Didn't I also read on the Titan board about a guy having brake failure on his week old Titan and then the dealer being unable to get parts to repair it?

    You must remember that post keanec, you responded to it.
  • jrc346jrc346 Posts: 337
    LAME BOOKS! I think, and I may be wrong here, but wouldn't sales of the F-150 and F-series in general suffer greatly if their quality was "atrocious?" I think so. I sat in a Titan at the Detroit Auto show. Nice, but I don't think that there is anything in the interior that makes it stand out any more than the F-150's. I don't see where the plastics are any better or worse in the Titan. Certain things felt insignificant, and not all of the dials were weighted well in the Titan. There were also areas in the F-150 (I sat in a lariat) that were cheapish, but they seemed to be in more appropriate/insignificant places.

    I will give credit where credit is due. Kudos to Nissan for the nice 5.6. It really does completely trump the 4.6 which is what you get with an apples to apples price comparison. So I will say that Nissan does have a decent price advantage. What I don't see are all of these other huge differences in quality and interior materials. In fact, they seems so much alike. Anyway, Ford gets my vote. Mostly because of its 5 interior variations. Say what you will about the wood trim in the lariat. I thought it was very nice. Just my thoughts folks, peace :-)
  • look at you Ford guys defend your truck. You'll probably never drive anything other than a Ford, are you on your 2nd, 3rd or 4th 150? That's great, you have a truck you like and it works for you. My dad and grandpa have always driven Fords and will never drive anything without the blue badge.
    Personally, I was all set to get an '04 Crew Cab Lariat F-150, I decided to test drive a Titan "just in case." Thank God I did! If people would drive the two and truly look at the trucks and not the names I think 9 out of 10 would buy the Titan.
    jrc_346, the Titan 5.6 is a better engine than the 4.6, but it also blows the 5.4 away as well. Drive them both back to back and you'll know what I'm talking about.
    Will Ford sell a lot of trucks? You bet, because of people like my dad and grandpa. They won't give anything else a chance. They're happey with Ford and it means something to them to drive a Ford. They'll defend Ford to no end. Nothing is wrong with that.
    If you want the best truck, drive them ALL, then choose from there. Don't just go and get your Next one.
  • jcmdiejcmdie Posts: 595
    I don't own a Ford and the only ford that I have ever owned was a used '67 Bronco. Although I have no ties to ford products, I have no problem defending thier quality. They make a good product that sells well at a competitive price. If they didn't, they wouldn't be on top. And a whole lot of owners must be really stupid. Sorry, its not because of "brand loyalty". I have noticed one thing about "reliability". It seems that people that have an unreliable vehicle tend to have more "problem vehicles" and those that don't seem to have good luck with most of thier purchases. Could have a lot to do with driving and maintainence habits. You want to compare quality or reliabilty of a full size truck from ford that has been making them for many decades to an automaker that has a lot of experience, but not in full sized trucks. Their can't be a comparison made until these new trucks rack up a few miles. Quality and reliability are not measured on the showroom floor or on a test drive.
  • hjodyhjody Posts: 5
    This is my first F-150...I've always been a Chevy-guy; never liked Fords...This truck doesn't sell well because of brand loyalty...if one has a multitude of problems with something, common sense says their not going to purchase it again...especially when large sums of money is involved...I'm tired of import owners saying the same thing over and over...I bought the new F-150 because it was the best built truck...no other reason
  • bowke28bowke28 Posts: 2,185
    you originally said:

    "the F-150 ranked #1 highest in long term dependability."

    then you said:

    "The Dependability study/report was based upon vehicles from the past 3-5 years... NOT 1994."

    how can you call it "long term dependability" when its only on 5 year old trucks?!?! what happens after 5 years? 8? 12?

    thats as good an oxymoron as ive heard lately! ;-)
  • If you look at trucks that are actually worked on a farm or ranch, 5 years can take it's toll. Besides what is wrong with a 3-5 year metric? You would prefer 10 or 15 year old trucks? Would that be a more worthwhile examination of quality to see how a decade or two affects dependability? 3 to 5 years falls directly in the range of most financing periods, so I believe it is a good range to examine. The closer you get to 10 years old, it is hard to differentiate build quality issues with lack of maintenance issues. Also the 3-5 year metric is probably the best year range for those considering buying in the used market.

    Unless you just want to nit pick every little thing said here. I've been there and done that before you ever joined edmunds. It's easy to build up a mentality that looks for any small notion to berate, but in the end it just gets old and silly. I know you love the truck you sell. Just realize not everyone believes the same as you. In fact some people have trouble trusting salespeople in general. In the end it really doesn't matter. Let the trucks do the talking.
  • bowke28bowke28 Posts: 2,185
    well...a little touchy are we?

    fact is, i sell fords too. im just being logical. these days, where most vehicles go well over 8 years old/100k miles, 3-5 years just isnt realistically "long-term". if you think it is, then you are living in the 50s when it was. i want to know how my vehicle will be when it has 150k miles on it. the study in question doesnt do that.

    besides...even at 5 years, the tundra was barely around. the dodge is worthless in quality, so that leaves just 2...(remembering reference to super bowl)

    ;-)
  • "I don't own a Ford and the only ford that I have ever owned was a used '67 Bronco." If Ford makes such a good reliable product then why don't you drive one?
     "And a whole lot of owners must be really stupid. Sorry, its not because of "brand loyalty"." You're obviously not from the Mid-West. Brand loyalty IS what it's all about. Men buy trucks because they're dad drove it, then they drive it. They are proud to be part of that brands family.
    Also, I never once mentioned anything about Ford's reliability, I've been around them all of my life and was going to buy one. I however have an open mind and decided to buy the better truck, period.
    My last point, for a truck that makes such a "quality and reliable" product how come they can't figure out what's making the truck vibrate so much? Maybe if they looked at the polyurethane bushing it may help. Why is it that Ford uses a plastic and everyone else uses rubber? Did I mention no other manufacturer has a severe cabin vibration problem?

    Again I WAS going to buy a Ford, I really don't think it's the better truck, but that's my opinion.
  • nvbankernvbanker Posts: 7,285
    Well, the fact is, until we see where some sales data falls, we're not going to really know how much impact the Titan is going to have. All we are doing here is speculating and posturing, and fun as that may be, there are really only two things we can depend on:

    1) Nissan is going to sell some Titans.
    2) Somebody, or everybody else is going to lose some market share.

    Now, let's hang on and see how much.
  • jrc346jrc346 Posts: 337
    I wouldn't be loyal to a company or truck for that matter if it wasn't good to me. I mean it shouldn't need all of this explanation. The Ford F-150 has Fords most loyal customers, and that probably has more to do with a good product, and less to do with what their dad drove.

    BTW, my dad worked for Fisher Body (GM), so I'll let you guess what I drove growing up.

    Bowke- At 5+ years there are a whole multitude of things that could contribute to the problems that a car may or may not have. Such as keeping up with maintenance etc.
  • ANT14ANT14 Posts: 2,687
    "The Dependability study/report was based upon vehicles from the past 3-5 years... NOT 1994."

    how can you call it "long term dependability" when its only on 5 year old trucks?!?! what happens after 5 years? 8? 12? "

    Read the study, and learn more about how it's composed and what's involved.

    Like MidnightStand said..."Unless you just want to nit pick every little thing said here."
  • jcmdiejcmdie Posts: 595
    Because I have only owned 1 Ford does not mean that I can't sincerely believe in thier quality. There are a lot of factors weighted in purchasing a vehicle. Quality is not always the #1 spot on the list. Especially when you have no option but to purchase used. I've owned vehicles made from Volkswagon (several), Accura, Infiniti, Dodge (several), Chevy, GMC, Mazda, Datsun, Toyota,Ford, International, Caddilac, Honda, Saab, and AMC, just name a few. Different vehicles for different purposes bought under a variety of differnt conditions.

    Brand loyal, I'm not. I pick what fits best at the time. From the midwest? , yes, I'm from the Chicago metro area (the 'burbs). And actually my Dad drove whatever he could get a good deal on. Not a picky man.

    If Fords made such good quality vehicles, then why did I only buy one? Well Bresslers sells 31 flavors and I like to have a taste of all of them. How many carmakers are there? I better get buying or I won't get to try some of them.

    Ford vibration, a problem? Do you think this is unique? Look up the data on the Silverado when it came out. The quality issues were endless. Including severe vibration.
  • dustykdustyk Posts: 2,926
    That's why they're on the road longer than Chevy or Ford?
  • nvbankernvbanker Posts: 7,285
    Drove a client's Pathfinder Armada today, which is derived from the Titan. NOW I get what everybody is saying, because functionally, this is an awesome truck - even when I compare it to my Navigator. Cosmetically, it matches the dismal interiors I see on all Nissan products these days, and even the exterior is wierd looking to me, but if you can close your eyes while driving (ha ha), this is one incredible truck. The power is outstanding, handling is amazing, the 4WD is impeccable, even when half on asphalt, and half on gravel. It's a very stable truck, and extremely comfortable.

    Conclusion: If you don't care how it looks, buy the Titan/Armada. Tundra/Sequoia should really look out, because other than the cosmetics, it's 10 times the truck.
  • jrc346jrc346 Posts: 337
    Well I don't really know if Dodges are on the road longer than Chevys or Fords, but I can understand you wanting to defend Dodge from that thoughtless assumption. Take Care :-)
  • Loyalty from those in the city and those from small rural farm communities are completely different. I live in a big city now and there is no loyalty or honesty for that matter. I don't think you have any idea what I'm talking about. That's okay.
    And I'm glad to see Chevy was smart enough to figure the vibration thing out, maybe Ford will some day too.
    You have driven a lot of different vehicles, what's your next one going to be?
  • jcmdiejcmdie Posts: 595
    My next vehicle will probably be an F250 or a Dodge 2500. Depends on what I feel better about when the time comes. I only have 90,000 on my Dodge 1500 now. It will be awhile. My city is in the "metro area" but is only 20,000 people with surrounding areas of communities that don't exceed a few hundred. I have 7 minutes from my house to work and I pass more 1 farm on the way.

    My point is, I see brand loyalty disappearing more each year. Consumers want the most for thier hard earned dollar. And that means changing brands.
  • dustykdustyk Posts: 2,926
    The thoughtless assumption is yours, because its a fact.
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