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Nissan Titan vs. Dodge Ram Hemi
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Bought at $100 LESS than Invoice(My employer is a partner with Nissan,so I got the same deal as a Nissan employee would get)mighty happy :-).
I had to call a dozen dealers and only one agreed to sell it to me at VPP.
The supply of these trucks is very limited here in Houston.Also the sales manager informed me, Nissan is shutting the factory down for holiday's(Don't know for how many days).He says there is a 60 days lag time for him to recieve these trucks after he orders them.
I drove the truck to the local mall and got looks where ever I went,after I parked and went in the store a guy actually parked nearby and came out to take a around the truck tour ... I am glad the truck is equipped with security system ;-)
When I test drove LE CC silver couple weeks ago, we got a ton of looks, cars pulling alongside for looks..etc.
Write up a review if you get a chance, I think my mid Nov review the only detailed review. Let us know how you like it in day to day driving, & what kind of mileage!! Thanks!
Congrats again! I can't wait for mine to come in!
You are right,in the early morning or say evening/cloudy the color takes on a dark hue,where as in sunlight it gets a bright hue,dunno if its good or not but I like it...
My choice was Canteen,Red,Black in that order..
The ride is very smooth,lots of friends who rode it are very impressed.One of em a hard core chevy follower was very impressed..
I have not driven it much over the last two days,so do not know about the mileage yet,though I am taking it for a trip to Disney(Florida)next weekend,after 2000 miles of drive I think a review would be justified. :-)
Cheers
Even this isn't entirely true. According the Dodge website, on the 04 Ram w/ Hemi, the only 2 ratios are 3.55 and 3.92. I believe the 3.92 is required with anti-slip diff.
Actually, for the RAM 1500 the axle ratios are 3.55 and 3.92.
For the RAM 2500/3500 series they are 3.73 and 4.10
Thanks for the correction.
Best regards,
Dusty
By the way, I'm really not a big Dodge fan per se. In fact, I like Nissan products but I am not bound to any. If there wasn't anything I liked about Dodges, I wouldn't own one. When it come to cars, Chrysler just doesn't do it for me. They're okay, no better than what comes out of Ford or GM, maybe even a tad worse.
But when it comes to trucks I do think Dodge is far more competive than a lot of people would really care to admit. Besides, working in the fleet business for a while I really came to have a lot of respect for Chrysler engineering and their truck product.
Best regards,
Dusty
Dusty
Tony
Radiant Silver CC LE
San Diego
$1,000 under MSRP at Poway Nissan
See Mark S
also, " probably a ten to fifteen thousand dollar savings over a comparable equipped ford or chev" - What did you do, hold the place up??
If that's true, I see it as a major flaw with the Titan. With Dodge, you can get limited slip with any trim level....Ford too.
Maybe Nissan only plans on selling 4x4's where it snows.
Glad you like your Dodge! My stumbling block with the Dodge is it has only 2 wheel ABS.
It makes the Tundra, F-150 and Ram look much more attractive to the average 2wd shopper. (like me)
What good is 380 ft. lbs. or torque when it's going to an open differential?
It'll be pretty entertaining to see the first 2wd Titan (that can tow 9000 lbs) stuck on a boat ramp doing the "one wheel peel".
At Lake Georgetown there is one particular ramp steep 9%-10% grade and it's a good 250ft long. I saw a guy with a 2wd F150 Supercrew just about lose the entire rig to the lake. Practically melted the right rear tire by the time he got the boat to the top.
Actually, I prefer to use my boat for boating.(it works better than my truck)
2wd (with limited slip) works awesome on all the inland boat landings I use. Do people actually drive their truck into the water to lauch or land a boat?
It wasn't that many years ago when 4x4's were owned by farmers and/or had a snow plow hung on the front of them year round.
Later,
For 98% of the time a 2wd LSD truck is all the average person would need. Is 4x4 better? Yes, in certain circumstances it is. But an intelligent person wouldn't get overconfident with LSD and subsequently won't get into trouble in the first place.
Regards,
Dusty
Happy New Years everyone!
I actually built a spreadsheet with Ram Laramie vs. Titan LE advantages. The Ram list was short. I will post it later when I boot up my laptop.
Tony
Advantage Ram Laramie
Classic Look
20 inch wheels
Dual Zone A/C
Rear seat fold out steel floor
Advantage Titan LE CC
Contemporary Look
Sprayed in Bedliner
Bed tie-down system
four extra inches rear leg room
Better fuel mileage
Cargo box outside
Memory seat/pedal/mirrors
Center console w/floor shift
Automatic Headlights
Running Boards
Heated seats standard
Back seat grocery hooks
Ten speakers w/subwoofer
Two One-Touch Power Windows
Rear Power Outlet
Cargo Power Outlet
You didn't mention warranty. Dodge is seven year, 70,000 miles. Titan is five & 60,000.
The RAM has 11 speakers
The RAM has seating for six, Titan five.
The RAM cab width is larger (79.9 to 78.8) giving the RAM more front shoulder (67.0 to 65.1), rear shoulder (66.7 to 64.6), and rear hip (64.6 to 60.1) room.
The Titan does not offer Climate Control.
Of course, I'm comparing the RAM short wheel base to the Titan because the Titan in 2wd is only offered in SWB, but the RAM could be had in standard length box as well.
The RAM has the largest brakes with the most swept area of any PU.
According to the information I have the Titan in 2wd is not available with LSD, the RAM is. If that information is incorrect let me.
I'm surprised you didn't mention approach angle on the Titan. It's considerably more than the RAM. The Titan also holds two more gallons of fuel.
All-in-all, however, I agree that the Titan sure is offering a lot for the money. I think Nissan is going to be very successful with the Titan. I know Nissan products are well engineered and (usually) impeccably assembled.
Good luck with your new truck.
Bests,
Dusty
the titan has an optional front bench, making seating for 6.
the ram has the largest brake rotors, but what good is it when the ABS is only on the rear wheels?
having said that, the dodge's hemi is a limited availability option. you can get a titan for $23k, but the base dodge with a hemi is almost $30k.
Of course, the RAM has four-wheel ABS, too. It's an option. However, the fact that rear wheel ABS is standard does not diminish the fact that the RAM still has better brakes. ABS is not a factor on dry pavement. (actually, its a negative.)
>>>...the dodge's hemi is a limited availability option.<<<
The Hemi IS NOT a limited availability option. It's available on all model variants of the RAM.
>>>you can get a titan for $23k, but the base dodge with a hemi is almost $30k.<<<
Absolutely incorrect. The base RAM ($23,220) is $25,285 (including destination) WITH the Hemi and 545RFE automatic transmission.
Man, where are you getting your competitive information??
Dusty
I was going to buy a Ram Laramie, Hemi, LSD 2WD SB for $27K after rebates before I drove the Titan. After that the price was no longer a deal-maker.
Tony
you mean that you can get a titan for $23050 with the big motor AND an automatic...but a dodge with the competitive powertrain is more than $2000 higher?!?!?!
my point about the ABS is the fact that it is designed to help the driver keep control in a panic stop, and keep steering control. without ABS on the front wheels, you still lose steering control when the fronts lock up.
Steve
My only question is why you would even want it on only the rear wheels?
also, given the same transaction price, which vehicle offers the better value?
dusty...your price that was discussed earlier was also on a regular cab. the nissan that sells for $23050 is a king cab. it also has 4 wheel ABS, a 5 speed auto trans with the autostick feature, and the standard 305 HP engine, which gets more torque than even the 'big bad' hemi.
That's in all likihood true. But that wasn't my point.
You said, "you can get a titan for $23k, but the base dodge with a hemi is almost $30k."
You were wrong. The price I quoted was for a base RAM. Yes, it's a conventional cab, but that wasn't the way you phrased your statement.
I'm not arguing about the better value of the Titan. I agree. But you seem to be highly unknowledgeable about the RAM yet you make pretty emphatic statements.
Dusty
Keanec, let me explain. The contention at the outset was that the Titan had "better" brakes. It was an unqualified, broad statement. There are different ways to evaluate the braking performance of different vehicles. In the vast majority of vehicles the stopping distances are extended when the vehicle is equiped with 4-wheel ABS. That can be viewed as a detriment when carrying a load on dry pavement where ABS would not be much -- if at all -- a factor. To someone carrying a load or pulling a trailer on long down hills, this may be a significant factor. The current RAM has more reserve braking power.
>>>why you would even want it on only the rear wheels?<<<
You know, until I owned a vehicle with rear-wheel ABS I guess I'd wonder the same thing. But since my last four cars have had 4-wheel ABS I find my 2003 Dakota to be the best of both worlds when it comes to ABS. Esentially the rear wheel ABS is going to benefit you with more consistent braking between loaded and unloaded conditions. Since I live in the occasionally snow encrusted environment, the rear wheel ABS on my Dakota has performed admirably well. I have had to stop quickly a number of times on various traction situations -- and because LD PU trucks are inclined to lose control in those conditions, my Dakota has not.
It works better than you might first think. Anyway, in the future I wouldn't want ABS of any type on my vehicles. Our Toyota's ABS is the worst I've ever driven. On GMs, it costs about $1000 every two years to replace the ABS (they fail often). My '93 Sentra had it and I disconnected it because twice it would not let me stop on dry pavement and I was almost killed!!!
Regards,
Dusty
Regarding the 2 wheel ABS, I could see how it would be better than nothing in unloaded pickups since the rear end is so light the brakes have a tendency to lock up without it.
ABS is awesome in panic stop situations, and can be detrimental in other situations, but the software that runs the ABS in you car is getting smarter all the time, and I don't think it is fair to compare an ABS system of 10 years ago to today's improved designs.
In ALL 1500's with the 5.7L you have to get the 5 speed auto. They do not make one without it. (Yes, it is around a $1,200 option plus another $900 for the 5.7L). A well spent $2,100 in my opinion. And then you got the HUGE rebates to make up for it and another trim upgrade.
I believe the Nissan is a good competitor and has value MSRP to MSRP and without rebates. All areas of the states have different marketing ploys. Here in Ok the advertised price for an new 04 1500 QC SLT 5.7L is $22,950 (all rebates applied of course). Nissan likes their trucks here in Ok and will only budge a little on the MSRP....so far. Toyota is discounting their Tundra's $7,000. That was un-heard of 6 months ago.
steve
Then came 4 wheel ABS. It gives you a chance to "stomp and steer" and does help control in MOST situations. But there are drawbacks to it. Get in some sand or gravel and you'll wish you didn't have 4 wheel ABS. Now think about having a trailer behind you in sand or gravel and 4 wheel ABS and trying to come to a quick stop.
Both systems have their pros and cons. Very experienced drivers insist on not having ANY ABS. (Nascar, Formula 1)
ALL heavy aircraft have Anti-skid. It is a must. Without it, you have the chance of blowing tires (without even knowing it)and the dreaded skid off the runway.
Again, to each his own.
Steve
why does almost EVERY pickup truck, large and small, have 4-wheel ABS as standard equipment? heck...even a $14k frontier has 4 wheel ABS.
Maybe because some people don't want it. We've had three GM cars with ABS and had all three fail at least once in the vehicle's lifetime. That's a $1000 a pop for a controller!
In addition, I don't think I need it.
Now, if I were a salesperson and wanted to increase my margin, I'd be pushing ABS, too. Hey, look at it this way, if Dodge had 4-wheel ABS there'd be one less thing you could criticize about it.
I have a more optomistic view of the intelligence of today's consumer, I think. If a person feels that ABS is benefical and important enough, they'll buy it.
Dusty
You pretty much stated my mind. I agree, it should be an OPTION.
Bowke 28. I'm not dissing you, just setting the facts straight on the RAM. And my other post was my OPINION.
4wheel ABS, like airbags, side impact protection, daytime running lights, blah, blah, blah is a false security that every manufacturer is pushing. Yes, 4 wheel ABS does help in MOST situations. And so do the other safety features. But studies have shown that the AVERAGE consumer thinks that if they have ABS they can stop faster which is not always so. People also tend to believe airbags will keep them from harm. This is why manufacturers are including it (ABS) as standard, but it still costs them money. Just like air conditioning is now pretty much standard for cars and trucks. Go back 10-15 years on a truck and that was still an option even with the top trim level.
Airbags are required by law. So are seatbelts. ABS is not....yet. Like I said in a previous post, if you have a trailer and try to stop in sand or gravel.......
Again, my opinion, and I'm not trying to turn this into a war room.
Steve
Dusty
Bob