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Toyota TACOMA vs Ford RANGER - IV

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  • spoogspoog Posts: 1,224
    DocHoliday knows his stuff!!! FINALLY SOMEONE With a brain!!! ABOUT TIME!!!!!

    ABOUT TIME SOMEONE WITH AN ACTUAL BRAIN COMMENTED!!


    Thanks for the hopeful post DocHoliday!
  • spoogspoog Posts: 1,224
    "FORD=For Overall Rigorous Duty
    XLT=Xpose Lying Toyotas
    (poetic license on expose"



    Thats nice Cspounser. I did stuff like this when I was in 3rd grade.

    Is this the kind of ammo you have left? lol.

    You can't beat the Tacoma with any stats or figures in performance, reliabilty, and resale value, so you poke fun at it with Slogans. Nice. Perhaps you should go over to the Ford verse Chevy group?
  • scape2scape2 Posts: 4,119
    Just don't get in a wreck with that Tinoda! The crash test is the LOWEST in its class! LOL.
    Resale, yeah, when you pay 2-4K MORE for a truck it better sell for more.
    Performance, nope. Your 1998 article is flawed and bias, Put a 26K TRD up against a 17K low model Ranger, real fair. As I have stated before, I have taken on a TRD and was not impressed. THe Locker is limited in what it can do, along with its an OPEN AXLE when not engaged. And what about the 5mph warning from Toyota?
    Reliability? Go check www.carpoint.msn.com to name just one site along with the multiple posts from CP and myself, and even here at Edmunds, you forget the guy with the tearing seats? or Jim with the Tacoma that left him stranded@!
    Ford Rangers are reliable. Go to the www.webring.org and vist some of the 100's of Ranger rooms and sites. See the Ranger owners who have high mileage on their Rangers.
  • scape2scape2 Posts: 4,119
    Wsn, check carpoint for crash test data also. The Tacoma finishes LAST, LAST, LAST. Enjoy your coffins Toyota boys!
  • rickc5rickc5 Posts: 378
    I LOVE Toyotas, or at least I used to. My last few experiences haven't been good.

    We bought a new 1995 Tacoma SR5 XtraCab 4x4 in July of 1995. First SR5 in Boulder. This was the worst new vehicle I have ever purchased. Lots of problems and major design defects. Too many to list.

    Toyota agreed with my assessment and allowed me to swap it for a T100 in October, after admitting they could not fix most of the problems.

    The T100 had the head gasket problem. We dumped it for an Isuzu Trooper in 1998. The Trooper has been an excellent vehicle, but I digress.

    Mid last year, I wanted another truck or SUV because my commute now takes me through the middle of Denver and I wanted better visibility than I had in my Camry (an excellent car by the way).
    My wife wouldn't give up her Trooper, so I decided that Toyota MUST have fixed all the bugs in the Tacoma after four years and bought a 1999 Tacoma SR5 4x4. I should have learned, but oh no, I was doomed to try again.

    The '99 Tacoma has not suffered from too many defects. The power steering leaked an a seal was replaced. But damn, is this a rough-riding truck. Its also terribly noisy and the auto tranny shifts VERY hard. So hard that my wife always thinks something has broken in the tranny when she drives it (compared to the Trooper).

    Chances are I will sent it down the road before its a year old. "Fool me twice, shame on me!"
  • My 1996 Tacoma Limited 4X4 is the best car I have ever had the privilege of riding in. I've had more fun off-roading, mudding, and camping with my baby than with anything else. I have had 0 problems in the four years i have owned it...replaced minimal things and been in a severe accident with it. Had it not been a truck so high up, the EMT's told me i would have died. I hit an F-150 going 50mph to a dead stop. I passed out for 10 minutes but regained conscienceness. only $10,000 of damage was done to my truck and the F-150 was totalled. Luckily it was the F-150's fault and I paid nothing. I spent two hours in the hospital and I was done.
  • Sorry to hear about your bad experiences. I recently purchased a 2000 4x4 v6 TRD and have gotten remarks from BMW and Acura driving friends that "pickup trucks shouldn't handle this well". I have two good friends, one drives an auto Tacoma and the other an auto 4Runner, which have the same transmission. They both said they never considered driving an auto untill they test drove there current trucks. Both have stated whenever it comes up that it is the smoothest transmission they have ever driven. I am not making this up for argument sake and I believe what you say to be true but unlike the Trooper, the Tacoma is a truck and a 4x4 , not an SUV. If you think the Tacoma is rough try driving an 80's compact 4x4 or better yet the "highway tuned" suspension of the Ranger if you want a more car like experience(Just Kidding)
  • barlitzbarlitz Posts: 752
    You may rant and rave and say your truck is better than the Ranger there's one thing your truck will never be,AMERICAN.actually two things,AMERICAN and SAFE.At least in a Ranger you can't sustain serious leg injuries from a runaway shopping cart at the supermarket.
  • cthompson21cthompson21 Posts: 1,102
    You might try some synthetic tranny fluid (maybe Redline or Amsoil) in your truck. It should help the shifts. For $30-40 it's worth a try, especially if it's actually shifting hard enough to possibly break something.
  • I have owned a 98 Tacoma SR5 and now own a 2000 Ranger. I posted some info earlier in this topic #300. As I said previously I like the Ranger better thats why I sold the Tacoma. However, My ranger has been in for service 9 times since 11/13/99. seven times for the same problem. The truck pulls left when I brake. It has been in ford since 2/14/00 and ford has no clue. I hate to say it but it looks like lemon law time. I really love my truck but its always in for repair. My Tacoma never had to go back for service ever. There is a lot to be said for that. But it don't handle like the Ranger and there is a lot to be said for that. If anyone has lemon law info for the NY area please pass it on. Thanks
  • hindsitehindsite Posts: 590
    This article is from Fourwheeler Magazine.

    "TOYOTA 3.4 V-6


    The twin-cam setup in Toyota's 3.4 V-6 allows for four valves per cylinder to get more air and fuel in and out of the combustion chambers faster. It works. Our rear-wheel dyno testing showed an incredibly flat torque curve. Jennings logged 210 lb.-ft. of torque rated at 2,000 rpm, which stuck around through 3,000, and we saw 90 percent of peak torque up to 4,000 rpm. Factory ratings at the flywheel are given as 190 horses and 220 lb.-ft., and the Tacoma's 4.10:1 gears did little to dissipate the flow. With numbers like these, combined with the lighter and more nimble body and frame of the Tacoma, it's no wonder the little Toy sneaked ahead of the big boys.

    Big improvements include the Toyota Direct Ignition (TDI) system which more precisely controls timing and reduces any voltage loss typical in traditional systems. The TDI uses one ignition coil for each pair of cylinders. The 3.4 uses twin-ground spark plugs, which doubles the number of sparks per fire. The new V-6 engine gains displacement over the previous 3.0 via bigger bore and stroke, with the same aluminum block and cast-iron heads. Additional improvements include intake and exhaust manifold refinements to enhance air/fuel flow. Better breathing is gained in the form of a bigger air filter (to allow greater cfm in per second), and a larger muffler and tubing to reduce backpressure. "
  • trenttrent Posts: 86
    What has the service department done to try to fix your pulling problem? Seems like a problem that shouldn't be too hard to solve if you get the right mechanic. Seven times in for the same problem says more about the dealer than the vehicle. Do you have another dealer in the area to get another opinion? Good luck with it.
  • Found this.. leaf springs that break.. sounds like toyota overrated thier payload capacity..

    Q: My T100 rear body has started to sag quite a bit and if loaded almost bottoms out.

    A: The earlier models had springs that were weak and Toyota will replace them if yours qualifies. The Tacoma
    4x4 has a different problem in that one of the rear leaf springs will crack. These also can be replaced if inspected
    with an upgraded spring. You may think that you are out of warranty but remind the dealer that this is a safety
    issue and contact Toyota for assistance, they almost always pay the whole amount.

    and the link: http://toyotarepair.com/Body.html
  • this is complimentery to both companies..
    http://www.plant.ca/plant/Content/970526/automotive/03.html

    the important part.
    "Among light trucks, Toyota Tacoma (63) scores best, followed by Ford Ranger (76) and Nissan pickup (79). Full-size pickups
    have the Ford F-series (64), Chevrolet C/K (88) and Toyota T100 (90)."

    number in parenthises is number of problems per 100 vehicles sold..

    wow a Ford f-150 just as reliable as a tacoma..
  • scape2scape2 Posts: 4,119
    As much as folks like to bash Ford, all together Fords reliablity record is better than Dodge or GM overall. The F150 is a good truck, the Escort is very reliable and inexpensive (Gee almost sounds like a Toyota Corrolla from 1980's). Anyone who surfs the net and gathers unbias data will see that Ford overall is not Fix or Repair Daily.
    The weather here in the NW is beautiful. Heading up to MT ST Helens this weekend with some friends to do some site seeing. Snow is too deep to really go trailing this time of the year. Will stay down around the lower snow line though.
    See you in the hills!
  • cpousnrcpousnr Posts: 1,611
    Well, somewhere in the comment of "3rd grade" is a golden opportunity for a comeback(given MANY of your previous postings), but I will let it slide, for now.

    I have not had time to organize all my 9 other findings I have on the Tacoma. My new DELL, as I sit her now, has the side off, and I cannot get it the diagnostics without it failing on the CD R/W system. It gives me an intermittent beep code of 1 long, 3 short which is not in the book and Dell does not know what it is. LED lights show a BIOS recovery indication every time I start it. Think I am gonna call em for a replacement. What a great American company, have a problem in the first 30 days, they replace the product.


    Well with the snow tonight the Ranger was working fine in 4X4 high. Fishtails a bit sometimes if I do not have it in 4X4. Towed my daughter-in-laws Saturn (she hit a curb and bent the right wheel) off I225 to a safe place, the new rear tow hooks I added sure proved their worth tonight.

    You know I have heard the comments here about the weight capacity of a Ranger but I have had 190-200 gal of H2O (8.3lb per gal)and 4 passengers in my truck for a total weight of around 1900 lb with no real problems. Done it a couple of times. Not that I would do that every day, but the Ranger has done it.

    Anyone else hauled that much?
  • hindsitehindsite Posts: 590
    Hauled bags of wood chips to the top of my cap, planks and just about anything that fits in the bed.

    In the news the Ford Ranger is supposely to get a new inline 5 cylinder engine in the year 2003.

    Cpousnr . . . I just un-retired myself from the sideline.
  • spoogspoog Posts: 1,224
    "I have not had time to organize all my 9 other
    findings I have on the Tacoma. My new DELL, as I
    sit her now, has the side off, and I cannot get it
    "the diagnostics without it failing on the CD R/W
    system. It gives me an intermittent beep code of 1
    long, 3 short which is not in the book and Dell
    does not know what it is. LED lights show a BIOS
    recovery indication every time I start it. Think I
    am gonna call em for a replacement. What a great
    American company, have a problem in the first 30
    days, they replace the product."


    Cspounser--- Kind of reminds you of your ranger eh?


    My PC is homebuilt. I am slapping a 650e coppermine into my new motherboard this weekend. Works flawlessly.

    I notice you have alot of computer problems.
  • cpousnrcpousnr Posts: 1,611
    No, just a beep code that does not cross to anything.

    The Ford Adrenalin is a go:

    "A lot of people have been writing to us asking if Ford will ever offer a high performance Ranger, a little brother to the F-Series Lightning. According to recent Ford documents, YES."

    "BlueOvalNews has learned that Ford Motor Company approved funding for a Ranger "Adrenalin" version in late 1998."

    What we do not know is if the Ranger will receive special body enhancements or what specific engine performance upgrades will be used. We do know; however, that the Adrenalin will not use the same engine as the standard Rangers."


    "The Ranger Adrenalin is scheduled for a JOB1 launch on or about 7 July 2000 which according to Ford's own documents would make it a 2001 model year vehicle."
  • rickc5rickc5 Posts: 378
    In response to your comments:

    IMHO, handling and ride are two different aspects of a vehicle's "personality". The '99 Tacoma handles well (unlike my '95, which was hazardous) but the ride is much worse than any of the other three Toyota 4x4 trucks I've owned since 1985 (and two 4Runners).

    Another gripe I have with the Tacoma is how Toyota has "de-contented" the vehicle. The only way a buyer can now purchase some of the luxury features that used to be standard on an SR5 is to pay an extra $5000 for the Limited Package. $5000 for power mirrors and fancy bucket seats??? Ya gotta be kidding! What happened to the power antenna??? Anyway, I wish I still had my 1989 SR5 Xtracab. Again IMHO- That was when Toyota actually made good vehicles that built their reputation.

    I knew little about Isuzus prior to "studying" for the purchase of the Trooper. Yes, the Trooper is technically an SUV, but you wouldn't know it from the robustness of the drivetrain and suspension. Pure truck stuff. BTW- Isuzu ONLY makes "trucks" these days. Drive a new Trooper and compare it to your Tacoma for quietness, ride, power and smoothness. All for about the same money as a Tacoma.

    Ya pays your money and ya takes your chances. Toyota won't get any more of MY money, unless they completely re-vamp their compact truck, drop the Tacoma name (so the new one won't be confused with it) and price it fairly.
  • wsnoblewsnoble Posts: 241
    "Wsn, check carpoint for crash test data also. The Tacoma finishes LAST, LAST, LAST. Enjoy your
    coffins Toyota boys!"

    This is exactly the type of immature, low life, feeble minded, small man, comment, that i expect from the likes of you, Vince. Now in your quest to always be right and have something to ramble about, you stoop to the ultimate low, with that coffin comment.

    I guess i'd rather have the chance to maybe avoid a side hit, than to just have my car go up in flames un-announced.

    Grow Up Jerk
    -wsn
  • My good friend has a newer model trooper and have ridden it for many road trips as well as around the mtns of NC. It is a nice SUV but would not want to go wheeling in it. Not because of its cappbillities but because of its high center of gravity. I am sorry about your experiences with the Tacoma, I am happy to say that mine have not been the same. Personally I couldn't care less about power mirrors and antennas. But that is just me. I have never had features such as these so I dont even think about them. In a perfect world we could mix and match the best of all trucks. I would love to have an 81 Yota with the 3.4 of the Tacoma. Oh well
  • Whoops, TROOPER
  • reddogsreddogs Posts: 353
    check the connectors to the CD-RW drive (wrong #1 pin alignment) that usually causes the beep and if its SCSI check the ID...
  • hindsitehindsite Posts: 590
    Wow you discovered the blue oval news :)

    Will the Koln 4.0L V6 in the Ranger be around until 2003? Oops the 3.0 and 2.5 engines are marked for death,
  • wsnoblewsnoble Posts: 241
    "Wsn, check carpoint for crash test data also. The Tacoma finishes LAST, LAST, LAST. Enjoy your
    coffins Toyota boys!"

    This is exactly the type of immature, low life, feeble minded, small man, comment, that i expect from the likes of you, Vince. Now in your quest to always be right and have something to ramble about, you stoop to the ultimate low, with that coffin comment.

    I guess i'd rather have the chance to maybe avoid a side hit, than to just have my car go up in flames un-announced.

    Grow Up Jerk
    -wsn
  • hindsitehindsite Posts: 590
    "Wsn, check carpoint for crash test data also.
    The Tacoma finishes LAST, LAST, LAST. Enjoy your
    coffins Toyota boys!"

    I personally think that you are a joke, and for all you have said it shows to me your true intent and a closed minded person. Your the kind of guy even when in error would not admit it. Are you lacking in humility or still in your adolescent stage in life?

    That crash test only applies to that particular Tacoma in a different class from the Tacoma 4x4. Now I have placed a link here twice citing the fact that the Tacoma in the offset crash test at 40 mph did better than the Ranger and other compact trucks. In fact the frontal crash test is the primary indicator of crash worthiness.
  • reddogsreddogs Posts: 353
    has flat angle iron welded to the back bumper/frame and some other extras in the front frame/bumper, it'll take an 18 wheeler to get through all of that, and I dont mess with those guys...
  • Sorry you don't like your Tacoma, but all of your "problems" are not really problems. They are things you should have noticed during a test drive. If you didn't like the way it drove, you shoudn't have bought it.
  • reddogsreddogs Posts: 353
    1986 1 Ton 4-Cyl. 2.4 Liter,
    Automatic Transmission.

    To Date 150,000 Miles

    1 Waterpump 90,000 miles

    This truck survived various front collisions with bushes and stumps in the everglades.

    Oil is changed normally whenever the wife feels like it or once in a blue moon whichever comes first.

    Changed Transmission Fluid & Screen at....let me go do it right now...

    Ah Yes, I am currently trying to get some rust spots on the frame cleaned and painted. Roof got a little paint peal so I had the truck painted. Looks brand new now.....

    There are a many of thing the wife has not bothered to do anything about. The fuel gauge is sticking and who knows if anything works in the dash, and the radio was barely audible so I had a WHOLE NEW sound system put in with a CD AM/FM radio.

    Oil seeps from unknown places..

    She drives a mix of highway and city, daily, with several hard accelerations each week
    (4,000 to 5,000 RPM) running red lights and who knows what else.

    But the bottom line is now matter what she does to it IT TAKES A LICKING AND KEEPS ON .....
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