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Toyota TACOMA vs Ford RANGER - IV
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IV. Conclusion.
Reports recently released both by NHTSA and the IIHS have dramatically set off in high relief the rapidly growing,
unacceptable losses suffered by car occupants when their vehicles are impacted in their sides by heavier, stiffer, higher
LTVs.(34) The enormous disproportionate losses from death and injury suffered especially by occupants in small cars when
these light vehicles are struck by LTVs has accelerated both public and government attention to the need to mitigate these
unacceptable losses in a major and timely manner.
ok in simple terms.. the # of larger vehicles on the road is making it unsafe for smaller vehicles on the road. That is the government proving the obvious again. it will not improve the 4wd tacoma performance in crash test ratings. the side impact tests thast i have seen consist of them RAMMING a ram into the door pannel and then measuring the damage inside. all they test is the structural stregth of the body and frame.
now you WILL be safer if a Saturn hits you becuase their hood will just go under your body.
But you will be in greater dager if another 4wd tacoma hits you.
and according to that report 55% of the vehicles on the road are now LTV's, you have a greater than 50% chance of getting hit by a vehicle where your height advantage is not there. This is when you would want a Safer truck in the first place.
Counting recalls does not give a broad picture, but only tells of safety concerns mandated by the government. It does not indicate the reliability of the vehicle. Fact is constant vehicle problems require the consumer to take the vehicle in for repair servicing. Toyota has been legendary in reliability, while Ford has improved has not come up to the standards met by Toyota.
What Rangers owners do not want to see are; higher air an intake, higher ground a clearance, standard skid plates, equal front shaft, six lug wheels, and countless advantages. What they do like to say is bashing Ford, gunslinger, Toyota coffins or I will bury you. They will link a crash test of a truck in a particular class to another class of truck.
sap galore! Along with bird crap. I have gone weeks without washing it off, my paint on my Ranger hasn't had one problem after over 2 years of ownership. Hind, making excuses once agian, love that Toyota quality! LOL.
Fact is the TAcoma is a tin truck, finishes last in crash tests and still Tacoma owners try to change the data. This is one reason why insurance rates are higher than the RAnger.
Higher intake! LOL maybe by about 1/4". Higher ground clearance, already went down this road. This is much to do with the larger tires Toyota puts on its trucks. I have already compared my ground clearance to my friends Tacoma TRD, he has maybe 1/2" advantage. Equal front shafts? do you mean drive lines? or suspension? As far as the 6lugs, the lugs are smaller on the Toyota in comparison to the Fords lugs.
Gotta love that tough Toyota metal!
Now Scott was good enough to measure the height of his air intake. He said it was 39' and something. I have to assume it was a typo and that he meant to say 39". Fair enough? Now if I were to round his figure up to 40" and take my 3'-6.5" and round down to 3'-6" or 42". So I have 2" difference between the Taco and the Ranger and not 1/4" in your post.
http://fcrc3.indstate.edu/users/dtsc/teacherprep/1a/tsld004.htm
Wait a minute! Who cares about intake heights or the number of lugs??? Has this ever been an issue to anyone??? I know I don't lie awake at night worrying about these my air intake height, the # of lugs on my wheels, the number of TSB's put out by the manufacturer, and the rest of the lame garbage that's being discussed as of late.
Let's move on to something more interesting!!!
Any news on toyota building a street performance p/u yet? This seems to be the latest trend with the likes of the Lightning, R/T Dakota, SS/Extreme S10, upcoming Adrenalin, etc... Are they (toyota) planning on jumping into the fray?
Anyone heard on the engine to power the Adrenalin and if it'll be available in 4x4 version? I guess it's supposed to be unveiled at the Detroit auto show as a 2001 model available this summer???
So, when is a Toyota Rav4 vs. Ford Escape war, er... message board going to open up?
Sony used to build products that would last forever and always perform flawlessly. Now, the vast majority of stuff they build is of poor quality, some even approaching what I'd consider to be junk. They're just relying on their name to charge unwary customers ungodly amounts of money for reduced quality products.
For Toyota, their products a few years back were bulletproof in terms of reliability and build quality (despite the inherent rustiness). Now, they seem to be losing quality and reliability. I don't know if this being done to increase profits (quality=$$$$$$) or if there's some other reason.
The Big 3 went through this same cycle back in the 60s-80s. Quality began to decrease in the 70s to an all-time low in the 80s when the imports were kicking their collective a$$es.
Ford quality seems to be very slowly getting better the past few years.
I'm not import bashing or anything. I was just wondering if anyone else had the same thoughts about Toyota/Ford on the quality issues over the past few years.
How are TSB's and recalls and ranger vs Tacoma comparison tests " one sided"? What is your idea of "good info"?
No offense, but you don't bring a damn thing to this group. Quit whining or leave.
Check the correct post.
Not going to upset you if I point out you made a mistake again is it?
What I asked was for a 3.4 V6 Tacoma owner to explain about the recall for head gaskets that does not appear in the database for recalls.
Just curious, my Intrepid was recalled after I sold it but now that I have the Ranger, I have never had a vehicle recalled. . .
As for the 800,000 you mentioned in your post that figure is beyond me where you got that. What I will tell you that you might see three recalls for a particular vehicle in a year, but each recall may have a different notification date to the owner. Okay?
Campaign #: 99S09
DUPLICATE NUMBER TO THE 1998 CAMPAING NUMBER
Year: 1999 Model: RANGER
Potential Number of Units Affected: 895000
But remember, but as I said that this recall effected multiple vehicles, and even in the Ranger only certain vehicles that had factory installed cruise control and even with those vehicles, only certain vehicles.
As I presented the production numbers for (was it 1996) Ranger at under 300,000 vehicles per year, it is easy to see that the above stated recall numbers include vehicles other than Ranger.
In regard to recalls, I would agree that numbers mean really nothing. To recall 1.2 Million vehicles to put a sticker on sticker the visor that says "Vehicle equipped with explosive devices, airbag, beware." is somewhat less significant than a vehicle that had 5,000 vehicles recalled because it had defective wheel cylinders.
"Say 2 identical trucks run into a brick wall, one
with an empty bed and the other with a bed full of
bricks. The heavier vehicle should get damaged
more, due to the extra weight. Why? The frame is
the same, and the extra weight only adds energy to
the impact"
Your example is B (Tacoma) hitting A (Object. In my side impact example i am comparing B getting hit by A
Example: If I run into somebody on the side walk while walking, say a heavy man, i have less of a chance of pushing this man then say a smaller man.
Wouldn't you agree?
-wsn
I totally concur with your observation on Toyota's declining product quality. As your can see from my previous posts, I have owned MANY Toyotas over the years.
Seems to me that in the early '90s, Toyota discovered that their vehicles were costing too much to build and consumers were no longer wanting to pay a substantial premium just to own a Toyota. Their answer was to "de-content" (their words, not mine) their vehicles, beginning in 1995 with the Tacoma. The rest is history....
The Tacoma & the Camry are now just "me too" vehicles, compared to the high quality of the previous versions. The have managed to maintain product reliability, once the bugs are worked out. Gee, sounds just like the Big 3 to me.
Yes, I'm soured on Toyota, which is why I'm dumping my '99 Tacoma for just about ANYTHING else, except a GM or Chrysler product.
BTW If you check out the notification date on each of the recall for the Ranger between 1995 to 2000? It is located in the fine print. If you still wondering about how I got the estimated figures.
Fit and finish match the 1989 Camry. Ride and noise isolation was much better than the 89. Overall, it was a more refine car than the 89 in my opinion. I am sorry about your Tacoma, but hope your next vehicle is better.
And here is wsn, trying, trying, trying to justify the terrible, the lowest crash test rating of the Tacoma. www.crashtest.com, www.carpoint.msn.com, just two sites to show where the Tacoma sits in both crash tests and reliability.
Loving my Ranger more and more!
See you in the hills. And, enjoy that $3K TRD sticker!
Ford finished BELOW the industry standard.
ABSOLUTELY MIND BLOWING post Reddogs! Wow!
http://www.jdpower.com/releases/80401car.html
http://auto.com/reviews/powerlist.htm
http://www.jdpower.com/releases/iqs050599.htm
Mazda pickup (ranger with a differnet grill) Toyota tacoma
toyota t100
Seems to me that they are just about the same in reliability from that study...
And the fact that toyota is more Reliable as a whole than ford is no shock.
Spoog.... if that survey is so mind blowing , i've got something else to share with ya... the gremlin was a peice of crap
Cadillac General motors
Buick General motors
Lincoln FORD
i will grant that lexus is Toyota.
now the fact that 3 american cars finished HIGHER than toyota just goes to show that Toyota isnt the end all be all of reliability.
LMAO
(2) Insert foot
Before you run off your mouth and play Hindsite's little cheerleader again, maybe you should actually read through the stuff he posts.
The Mazda (Ranger clone) was ranked first.
Just a little F.Y.I. for ya there, buddy.
-C
p.s. no hard feelings, just couldn't help but take a poke at ya there.
Oh, you DO know that the MAZDA B series pickup truck is made at the Edison New Jersey plant that I think many people ATTEMPTED to trash as having old obsolete equipment?
Also the ONLY differences between the Ranger series and the Mazda series is the
GRILLE
a slightly different
CARGO BOX
and MAYBE some
Chrome trim around the doors or windows
and the
BADGES.
Same engine, frame, brakes, wheels, tranny, differential, shocks, springs, steering components, suspension, radiator. . .etc.
Same independently recognized quality.
If you do not believe me, I will post numerious URL's from Four Wheeler, Consumer Reports, Petersons That state they are identical.
Oh BTW at the Fremont plant that makes Tacoma, they ALSO make the Corolla and Chevy Prizm.
"Rounding out the total 962,823 figure were two vehicles produced at New United Motor Manufacturing, Inc. (NUMMI), a Toyota-General Motors joint venture in Fremont, CA. NUMMI manufactured 158,179 Corollas; and 158,317 Tacoma trucks. NUMMI also produced 45,213 Chevrolet Prizms"
So spoog, that factory in Fremont is not dedicated to just trucks like the Ford Twin Cities and Ford Edison plants I see? Well, when I was stationed out there, they were making only the Corolla and the Prizm.
Just trust me on this one.
Manufacturer: MAZDA (NORTH AMERICA),INC
Mfg. Campaign #: 99V062002
Year: 1998
Make: MAZDA TRUCK
Model: B SERIES
Potential Number of Units Affected: 22000
Manufactured From: JAN 1998 To: MAR 1999
Year of Recall: '99
Type of Report: Vehicle
A cruise control cable can interfere with the speed control servo pulley and not allow the throttle to return to idle when disengaging the cruise control.
This is the recall for the Mazda for the same issue that was documented against the Ranger, the Cruise Control cable.
Mazda B series and Ford Ranger are identical vehicles.
Manufacturer: MAZDA (NORTH AMERICA),INC
Mfg. Campaign #: 99V062002
Year: 1998
Make: MAZDA TRUCK
Model: B SERIES
Potential Number of Units Affected: 22000
Manufactured From: JAN 1998 To: MAR 1999
Year of Recall: '99
Type of Report: Vehicle
A cruise control cable can interfere with the speed control servo pulley and not allow the throttle to return to idle when disengaging the cruise control.
This is the recall for the Mazda for the same issue that was documented against the Ranger, the Cruise Control cable.
Mazda B series and Ford Ranger are identical vehicles.
As for the comments that Ford finished ahead of Toyota? What? Can you read?
Ford finished well below the industry standard.
I find it odd that the Ranger ( supposedly the exact vehicle as the Mazda) scored so poorly compared to it? I wonder........