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Toyota TACOMA vs Ford RANGER - IV

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  • scottssssscottssss Member Posts: 147
    this is thier conclusin..
    IV. Conclusion.

    Reports recently released both by NHTSA and the IIHS have dramatically set off in high relief the rapidly growing,
    unacceptable losses suffered by car occupants when their vehicles are impacted in their sides by heavier, stiffer, higher
    LTVs.(34) The enormous disproportionate losses from death and injury suffered especially by occupants in small cars when
    these light vehicles are struck by LTVs has accelerated both public and government attention to the need to mitigate these
    unacceptable losses in a major and timely manner.

    ok in simple terms.. the # of larger vehicles on the road is making it unsafe for smaller vehicles on the road. That is the government proving the obvious again. it will not improve the 4wd tacoma performance in crash test ratings. the side impact tests thast i have seen consist of them RAMMING a ram into the door pannel and then measuring the damage inside. all they test is the structural stregth of the body and frame.

    now you WILL be safer if a Saturn hits you becuase their hood will just go under your body.

    But you will be in greater dager if another 4wd tacoma hits you.

    and according to that report 55% of the vehicles on the road are now LTV's, you have a greater than 50% chance of getting hit by a vehicle where your height advantage is not there. This is when you would want a Safer truck in the first place.
  • modvptnlmodvptnl Member Posts: 1,352
    In one of spoogs or Hindsites own links it states the 3.4 is a larger version of the 3.0 in Toyota's car lineup. The 4.7 in the Tundra is an offshoot of the Lexus motor.I guess Toyota is above sharing components...NOT. As usual spoog dodges a simple question; What kind of self proclaimed transmission expert would recommend the Honda Passport but knock the Isuzu SUV's when the Rodeo and Passport and the Trooper and Accura SUV are the same vehicle? A little blind loyalty like some other people we know?
  • hindsitehindsite Member Posts: 590
    Between the years 1995 and 2000 there have been a total of five recalls totaling 279,350 recalls for the Tacoma. In that same time has been a total of eight recalls for the Ford Ranger. If one were to assume that the annual sales of Ford Ranger were 250,000 vehicles the total number of recalls for the Ranger is two million in that same time as the Tacoma. Even if I were to assume that the annual sales of the Ford Ranger were 40,000 annually the total recalls would come out to 320,000 vehicles.

    Counting recalls does not give a broad picture, but only tells of safety concerns mandated by the government. It does not indicate the reliability of the vehicle. Fact is constant vehicle problems require the consumer to take the vehicle in for repair servicing. Toyota has been legendary in reliability, while Ford has improved has not come up to the standards met by Toyota.

    What Rangers owners do not want to see are; higher air an intake, higher ground a clearance, standard skid plates, equal front shaft, six lug wheels, and countless advantages. What they do like to say is bashing Ford, gunslinger, Toyota coffins or I will bury you. They will link a crash test of a truck in a particular class to another class of truck.
  • hindsitehindsite Member Posts: 590
    So you are telling me that the 4x4 Taco is the same as the 4x2 Taco. I will provide a link later about this. Glad that you finally learn it was not from a front head collision.
  • scape2scape2 Member Posts: 4,123
    Go to topic 1467, there is a Tacoma owner whos paint is peeling off. Hind says that sap and bird crap will make paint peel. LOL! I have had my truck under 100+ foot Douglas Fir trees, Cedars, Nobles here in the NW. What I am saying is
    sap galore! Along with bird crap. I have gone weeks without washing it off, my paint on my Ranger hasn't had one problem after over 2 years of ownership. Hind, making excuses once agian, love that Toyota quality! LOL.
    Fact is the TAcoma is a tin truck, finishes last in crash tests and still Tacoma owners try to change the data. This is one reason why insurance rates are higher than the RAnger.
    Higher intake! LOL maybe by about 1/4". Higher ground clearance, already went down this road. This is much to do with the larger tires Toyota puts on its trucks. I have already compared my ground clearance to my friends Tacoma TRD, he has maybe 1/2" advantage. Equal front shafts? do you mean drive lines? or suspension? As far as the 6lugs, the lugs are smaller on the Toyota in comparison to the Fords lugs.
    Gotta love that tough Toyota metal!
  • modvptnlmodvptnl Member Posts: 1,352
    Sometimes your posts make sense, sometimes you get flat goofy. First off 250,000 times 5 years would be 1.25 million, not 2 million. second you're assuming every Ranger was recalled during that time? If I'm not getting it then please explain. Lastly it was either you or spoog (I can't differentiate anymore)who said how inferior the air intake was on the Ranger because it went in to the fender area. After seeing your pics....isn't that where the Toyotas intake is going?
  • hindsitehindsite Member Posts: 590
    Not all recalls come at the same time unfortunately. ie. I may have 3 recalls in a year, but their notification dates may not be same. Example, if I produce 10 cars in a year and have two recalls then the those ten cars have been recalled twenty times. I am counting the number of recalls and not the number of vehicles produced. Still can not grasp what I have said? Duh? Notice that I said recalls . . . . in my previous post. Well, I explained it and if you do not get it then you are not too bright.
  • hindsitehindsite Member Posts: 590
    Well, just to clarify I did not make that comment about Ranger air intake near or at the fender area. Do I have to explain that one to you also? LOL
  • hindsitehindsite Member Posts: 590
    Another one . . . ah . . . Vince did I say that tree sap or bird dropping will take off paint? No . . . So who did? Okay . . . if you can read I said it was my auto collision repair guy. Why is it you always shoot your mouth off . . . For the record I have five spots roughly about 1/8" in diameter on the car of my Corolla that has paint peeling if I can call it that. No . . . I do not drive the Corolla. BTW that Escort was a complete loss.

    Now Scott was good enough to measure the height of his air intake. He said it was 39' and something. I have to assume it was a typo and that he meant to say 39". Fair enough? Now if I were to round his figure up to 40" and take my 3'-6.5" and round down to 3'-6" or 42". So I have 2" difference between the Taco and the Ranger and not 1/4" in your post.
  • hindsitehindsite Member Posts: 590
    Here is a link that give the percentages of fatalities in car crashes.

    http://fcrc3.indstate.edu/users/dtsc/teacherprep/1a/tsld004.htm
  • modvptnlmodvptnl Member Posts: 1,352
    What's the difference? Wow! 2" in air intake location. The way spoogsite was telling it I thought it was like a foot difference. I guess aftermarket tires wouldn't make up any of the difference. OK I understand recalls now, every Ranger has been recalled 2 million times and the flawless Toyota O times. Long live the ZERO defect Toyota. Rangers ALWAYS fail and Toyotas never break. It's all so clear now. Keep finding those one-sided posts against the Ranger and ignore all good info. Hindspoog, get lives.
  • cthompson21cthompson21 Member Posts: 1,102
    Scott's ranger is a 4x2. My 4x4 ranger sits at least a couple of inches higher than my father-in-law's 4x2 ranger (looks just like scott's, only with a flareside bed).

    Wait a minute! Who cares about intake heights or the number of lugs??? Has this ever been an issue to anyone??? I know I don't lie awake at night worrying about these my air intake height, the # of lugs on my wheels, the number of TSB's put out by the manufacturer, and the rest of the lame garbage that's being discussed as of late.

    Let's move on to something more interesting!!!

    Any news on toyota building a street performance p/u yet? This seems to be the latest trend with the likes of the Lightning, R/T Dakota, SS/Extreme S10, upcoming Adrenalin, etc... Are they (toyota) planning on jumping into the fray?

    Anyone heard on the engine to power the Adrenalin and if it'll be available in 4x4 version? I guess it's supposed to be unveiled at the Detroit auto show as a 2001 model available this summer???

    So, when is a Toyota Rav4 vs. Ford Escape war, er... message board going to open up?
  • cthompson21cthompson21 Member Posts: 1,102
    To me, at least, it seems that toyota is going through the same cycle is sony.

    Sony used to build products that would last forever and always perform flawlessly. Now, the vast majority of stuff they build is of poor quality, some even approaching what I'd consider to be junk. They're just relying on their name to charge unwary customers ungodly amounts of money for reduced quality products.

    For Toyota, their products a few years back were bulletproof in terms of reliability and build quality (despite the inherent rustiness). Now, they seem to be losing quality and reliability. I don't know if this being done to increase profits (quality=$$$$$$) or if there's some other reason.

    The Big 3 went through this same cycle back in the 60s-80s. Quality began to decrease in the 70s to an all-time low in the 80s when the imports were kicking their collective a$$es.

    Ford quality seems to be very slowly getting better the past few years.

    I'm not import bashing or anything. I was just wondering if anyone else had the same thoughts about Toyota/Ford on the quality issues over the past few years.
  • spoogspoog Member Posts: 1,224
    Ignore the good info? What do you think we have been posting here?

    How are TSB's and recalls and ranger vs Tacoma comparison tests " one sided"? What is your idea of "good info"?

    No offense, but you don't bring a damn thing to this group. Quit whining or leave.
  • spoogspoog Member Posts: 1,224
    Toyota has had a "street performance" truck for some time now. It's a 2 wheel drive tacoma with the supercharger. IT SCREAMS.
  • cpousnrcpousnr Member Posts: 1,611
    I did not ask about a street performance truck.

    Check the correct post.

    Not going to upset you if I point out you made a mistake again is it?

    What I asked was for a 3.4 V6 Tacoma owner to explain about the recall for head gaskets that does not appear in the database for recalls.

    Just curious, my Intrepid was recalled after I sold it but now that I have the Ranger, I have never had a vehicle recalled. . .
  • hindsitehindsite Member Posts: 590
    Well you proved all along what I thought. You are nothing.
  • modvptnlmodvptnl Member Posts: 1,352
    The links I'm referring to are when Rangers are flamed for various reasons and on the same links there are people that are very satisfied with their trucks and nothing is mentioned. Your idiotic links of TSB's and recalls are so redundant it's really showing an anal mentality(no offense intended) When I list true aftermarket companies that make true off road suspensions for both trucks you ignore them. When you post many posts from your moronic transmission expert and I dispute his knowledge about Honda and Isuzu SUV's you again ignore it. I may not be adding anything according to you but at least it's not the same thing over and over again.
  • modvptnlmodvptnl Member Posts: 1,352
    Just as I thought all along' you are a petty little person who cries when debated and has such a meaningful productive life that you need to surf the web looking for angry Ford owners. Like I said, get a life loser.
  • hindsitehindsite Member Posts: 590
    It was very easy to get the figures since NHTSA provides an actual count for the Tacoma. Now the Ranger is a different topic and I did give a range from 300,000 to two million to be fair. Part of the problem is not all recalls for the Ford Ranger apply to the all the Rangers, and some do apply to the other Ford trucks.
    As for the 800,000 you mentioned in your post that figure is beyond me where you got that. What I will tell you that you might see three recalls for a particular vehicle in a year, but each recall may have a different notification date to the owner. Okay?
  • hindsitehindsite Member Posts: 590
    It was 90,000 for that particular year or years. Whatever it comes out to the figure I gave earlier.
  • hindsitehindsite Member Posts: 590
    Next time you try to pigeon hole me into a corner you better be on the money. You want to play the wise [non-permissible content removed] and get cute then you better be able to take it.
  • hindsitehindsite Member Posts: 590
    It would be nice to move on, but at the same time there has been this constant side impact chatter.
  • hindsitehindsite Member Posts: 590
    Well, I did say Ford improved their quality. A good 15 years back I had a Sony walkman it was repaired once and the second time it broke it was tossed into the trash can. I honestly can say I have had much better luck with Toyotas then the Fords I have had in the past. So far my Taurus runs fine and I can not say it is a bad car. Knock on wood.
  • cpousnrcpousnr Member Posts: 1,611
    Component: FUEL:THROTTLE LINKAGES AND CONTROL
    Campaign #: 99S09
    DUPLICATE NUMBER TO THE 1998 CAMPAING NUMBER
    Year: 1999 Model: RANGER
    Potential Number of Units Affected: 895000

    But remember, but as I said that this recall effected multiple vehicles, and even in the Ranger only certain vehicles that had factory installed cruise control and even with those vehicles, only certain vehicles.

    As I presented the production numbers for (was it 1996) Ranger at under 300,000 vehicles per year, it is easy to see that the above stated recall numbers include vehicles other than Ranger.

    In regard to recalls, I would agree that numbers mean really nothing. To recall 1.2 Million vehicles to put a sticker on sticker the visor that says "Vehicle equipped with explosive devices, airbag, beware." is somewhat less significant than a vehicle that had 5,000 vehicles recalled because it had defective wheel cylinders.
  • wsnoblewsnoble Member Posts: 241
    The tacoma 4wd weighs about 500+ lbs more than the 2wd version. I still think the 500+ lbs will help you when getting hit. Your loaded bed scenerio has a flaw though. In your example the object is moving with 500+ lbs extra into a fixed object. Our scenerio is getting hit in the side by a moving obeject. The object hitting the Tacoma 4x4. In the scenerio of getting hit in the side you are the stationary object. Your the wall not the object. See what i mean...

    "Say 2 identical trucks run into a brick wall, one
    with an empty bed and the other with a bed full of
    bricks. The heavier vehicle should get damaged
    more, due to the extra weight. Why? The frame is
    the same, and the extra weight only adds energy to
    the impact"

    Your example is B (Tacoma) hitting A (Object. In my side impact example i am comparing B getting hit by A

    Example: If I run into somebody on the side walk while walking, say a heavy man, i have less of a chance of pushing this man then say a smaller man.

    Wouldn't you agree?
    -wsn
  • rickc5rickc5 Member Posts: 378
    Colin,

    I totally concur with your observation on Toyota's declining product quality. As your can see from my previous posts, I have owned MANY Toyotas over the years.

    Seems to me that in the early '90s, Toyota discovered that their vehicles were costing too much to build and consumers were no longer wanting to pay a substantial premium just to own a Toyota. Their answer was to "de-content" (their words, not mine) their vehicles, beginning in 1995 with the Tacoma. The rest is history....

    The Tacoma & the Camry are now just "me too" vehicles, compared to the high quality of the previous versions. The have managed to maintain product reliability, once the bugs are worked out. Gee, sounds just like the Big 3 to me.

    Yes, I'm soured on Toyota, which is why I'm dumping my '99 Tacoma for just about ANYTHING else, except a GM or Chrysler product.
  • mviglianco1mviglianco1 Member Posts: 283
    Jesse "The Body" Ventura and Rick Flair discuss the effect of rising heating oil prices on the American household.
  • reddogsreddogs Member Posts: 353
    they shifted production to the US and thats the change.....:0(
  • scottssssscottssss Member Posts: 147
    yeah that is a nice comentary on american workers.. i guess thats what a decent paycheck and freedom does to a worker.
  • reddogsreddogs Member Posts: 353
    ...but Honda is having the same problems and I'm having trouble finding any J Hondas at any model...
  • hindsitehindsite Member Posts: 590
    I really do understand that point you made. As I have said in my post that number of recalls is incorrect as the the exact figure for the Ranger. That is why I gave a low of 300,000 recalls. However, you guys only saw the two million and tried to make it an issue. Didn't I give a high of 250,000 production number for the Ranger? I really don't care about the 300,000 for 1996.


    BTW If you check out the notification date on each of the recall for the Ranger between 1995 to 2000? It is located in the fine print. If you still wondering about how I got the estimated figures.
  • hindsitehindsite Member Posts: 590
    I had a 1999 Camry and honestly it was better than the 1989 Camry. Anyway the car was stolen and I bought the Taurus to replace it. One thing that I will say and this is subjective is that the plastic dashboard seem to be the harder materials. My 1998 Corolla & 1999 Taco has the same hard material.

    Fit and finish match the 1989 Camry. Ride and noise isolation was much better than the 89. Overall, it was a more refine car than the 89 in my opinion. I am sorry about your Tacoma, but hope your next vehicle is better.
  • scape2scape2 Member Posts: 4,123
    So Hind you turn to name calling again. Seems when you get backed into a corner, and are proved wrong, you come out slinged those six shooters! And you quoted the paint problem in topic 1467, sounded like you agreed with your body/paint person. Once again making excuses for Toyota's declining quality.
    And here is wsn, trying, trying, trying to justify the terrible, the lowest crash test rating of the Tacoma. www.crashtest.com, www.carpoint.msn.com, just two sites to show where the Tacoma sits in both crash tests and reliability.
    Loving my Ranger more and more!
    See you in the hills. And, enjoy that $3K TRD sticker!
  • reddogsreddogs Member Posts: 353
    http://www.jdpower.com/releases/80401car.html
  • spoogspoog Member Posts: 1,224
    Lets see......The Toyota pretty much dominates every single category. lol!

    Ford finished BELOW the industry standard.

    ABSOLUTELY MIND BLOWING post Reddogs! Wow!

    http://www.jdpower.com/releases/80401car.html
  • trenttrent Member Posts: 86
    Ratings look pretty close to me for this study
    http://auto.com/reviews/powerlist.htm
  • trenttrent Member Posts: 86
    Check out top three vehicles in initial quality
    http://www.jdpower.com/releases/iqs050599.htm
  • scottssssscottssss Member Posts: 147
    truck segment reliability TOP 3

    Mazda pickup (ranger with a differnet grill) Toyota tacoma
    toyota t100

    Seems to me that they are just about the same in reliability from that study...

    And the fact that toyota is more Reliable as a whole than ford is no shock.

    Spoog.... if that survey is so mind blowing , i've got something else to share with ya... the gremlin was a peice of crap :)
  • scottssssscottssss Member Posts: 147
    Now lets look at what finished HIGHER than toyota in that study..

    Cadillac General motors
    Buick General motors
    Lincoln FORD

    i will grant that lexus is Toyota.

    now the fact that 3 american cars finished HIGHER than toyota just goes to show that Toyota isnt the end all be all of reliability.
  • scottssssscottssss Member Posts: 147
    3 american Car Manufacturers...
  • scottssssscottssss Member Posts: 147
    the Tacoma not making trent's initial quality test is MIND BLOWING

    LMAO
  • cthompson21cthompson21 Member Posts: 1,102
    (1) Open mouth
    (2) Insert foot

    Before you run off your mouth and play Hindsite's little cheerleader again, maybe you should actually read through the stuff he posts.

    The Mazda (Ranger clone) was ranked first.

    Just a little F.Y.I. for ya there, buddy.

    -C

    p.s. no hard feelings, just couldn't help but take a poke at ya there.
  • cpousnrcpousnr Member Posts: 1,611
    GREAT POSTS MAN! THANK YOU!

    Oh, you DO know that the MAZDA B series pickup truck is made at the Edison New Jersey plant that I think many people ATTEMPTED to trash as having old obsolete equipment?

    Also the ONLY differences between the Ranger series and the Mazda series is the
    GRILLE
    a slightly different
    CARGO BOX
    and MAYBE some
    Chrome trim around the doors or windows
    and the
    BADGES.

    Same engine, frame, brakes, wheels, tranny, differential, shocks, springs, steering components, suspension, radiator. . .etc.
    Same independently recognized quality.
    If you do not believe me, I will post numerious URL's from Four Wheeler, Consumer Reports, Petersons That state they are identical.

    Oh BTW at the Fremont plant that makes Tacoma, they ALSO make the Corolla and Chevy Prizm.

    "Rounding out the total 962,823 figure were two vehicles produced at New United Motor Manufacturing, Inc. (NUMMI), a Toyota-General Motors joint venture in Fremont, CA. NUMMI manufactured 158,179 Corollas; and 158,317 Tacoma trucks. NUMMI also produced 45,213 Chevrolet Prizms"

    So spoog, that factory in Fremont is not dedicated to just trucks like the Ford Twin Cities and Ford Edison plants I see? Well, when I was stationed out there, they were making only the Corolla and the Prizm.


    Just trust me on this one.
  • legendgoboomlegendgoboom Member Posts: 2
    Does any one own a Toyota prerunner in here? If so how capable is it off road?
  • cpousnrcpousnr Member Posts: 1,611
    Component: FUEL:THROTTLE LINKAGES AND CONTROL
    Manufacturer: MAZDA (NORTH AMERICA),INC
    Mfg. Campaign #: 99V062002
    Year: 1998
    Make: MAZDA TRUCK
    Model: B SERIES
    Potential Number of Units Affected: 22000
    Manufactured From: JAN 1998 To: MAR 1999
    Year of Recall: '99
    Type of Report: Vehicle
    A cruise control cable can interfere with the speed control servo pulley and not allow the throttle to return to idle when disengaging the cruise control.

    This is the recall for the Mazda for the same issue that was documented against the Ranger, the Cruise Control cable.

    Mazda B series and Ford Ranger are identical vehicles.
  • cpousnrcpousnr Member Posts: 1,611
    Component: FUEL:THROTTLE LINKAGES AND CONTROL
    Manufacturer: MAZDA (NORTH AMERICA),INC
    Mfg. Campaign #: 99V062002
    Year: 1998
    Make: MAZDA TRUCK
    Model: B SERIES
    Potential Number of Units Affected: 22000
    Manufactured From: JAN 1998 To: MAR 1999
    Year of Recall: '99
    Type of Report: Vehicle
    A cruise control cable can interfere with the speed control servo pulley and not allow the throttle to return to idle when disengaging the cruise control.

    This is the recall for the Mazda for the same issue that was documented against the Ranger, the Cruise Control cable.

    Mazda B series and Ford Ranger are identical vehicles.
  • spoogspoog Member Posts: 1,224
    According to 4wheelr ,com , the Mazda is better than the Ranger.

    As for the comments that Ford finished ahead of Toyota? What? Can you read?

    Ford finished well below the industry standard.

    I find it odd that the Ranger ( supposedly the exact vehicle as the Mazda) scored so poorly compared to it? I wonder........
  • spoogspoog Member Posts: 1,224
    You quoted the INITIAL quality survey, which asks customers if they have had any problems the first few thousand miles. QUITE A BIT DIFFERENT from the RELIABILITY studies. Time to pull your head from your behind.
  • spoogspoog Member Posts: 1,224
    Once again you are quoting from a different study about customer complaints within the first few months. That is the INITIAL survey, not the reliability survey.
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