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2013 and Earlier - Mazda3 Prices Paid and Buying Experience

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  • saabsvtsaabsvt Posts: 2
    I have been reading these posts for a while now since I'm interested in the Mazda3. I don't have a dog in this fight, but I just got an e-mail quote of $300 over invoice for a Mazda3 with ABS/SAB/SAC. No trade-in and no negotiation beyond the original quote yet. The dealer is in Virginia, FWIW.

    David
  • audia8qaudia8q Posts: 3,138
    Take advantage of the deal and enjoy the car. You'll love it!!

    anywhere near the Va horse park in Lexington? I was just there last month for a horse show...beautiful area.
  • sandman46sandman46 Posts: 1,798
    With our coupons, we got our silver 3 S last month for $16,235. We had to pay T,T&L but they backed out the dealer prep fee. We did though have to pay the destination fee like everyone else. We were happy with the deal and bought the car. Just waiting now for our refund on registering the car with the state and the license plate fee.
    We're still in love with the car and happy with our decisin. Zoom Zoom!

    The Sandman :)
  • saabsvtsaabsvt Posts: 2
    I'm not sure how close it is to Lexington. We live in NC, but I think most of Va is beautiful.

    And thank you for your input on these boards...I've been reading you for a long time.
  • z71billz71bill Posts: 2,000
    OK - lets do some math.

    First a 1% sample size is very large - more than enough to have a high level of statistical confidence in the result. But lets not make this any harder than we need to - lets just do some 5th grade algebra!

    If I take a Mazda3 S with auto tranny, ABS & the sport package the MSRP is $19,365, invoice is $18,016 and the Edmunds TMV is $18,658 (for HARTFORD CT BTW) Could pick any options the result will be about the same.

    Let X = amount paid by average buyer that did not pay MSRP

    So then:
    $19,365* 70% + 30%X = $18,658

    X= $17,008.33!!!!

    So in order for 7 out of 10 to have paid MSRP 3 out of 10 of buyers would have had to pay an average of about $1,008 UNDER INVOICE.

    I don't care what anyone says - no way 7 of 10 people pay MSRP for a Mazda3 - because there is no way the other 30% paid $1K under invoice.

    Because if all of the Edmunds posters are so darn smart and such great car buyers and so proud to BRAG about how great of a deal they got - then why don't any - thats right any of them claim to have paid that much under invoice?

    BTW the Edmunds TMV for this car is $18,441 in Texas - $217 less than CT.
  • pwimseypwimsey Posts: 16
    Well, 1% is a large enough sample *if the sample is random*. But I think the point is that Edmunds users (more specifically, posters) are not a random sample; they comprise a small group of people who are at least knowledgeable enough to do research on the internet and find out what the invoice price is. (Of course, realistically Edmunds posters make up much much less than 1% of car buyers, as far as that goes).

    However, I do think that you are right that not many people are now paying MSRP for Mazda3's. I bought my 5 door (AT, ABS/SAB/SAC) at the end of June. Basically, after cross shopping several cars, I decided on the 3 and asked for dealer quotes from Edmunds. I only received one real quote, but I took it with me to the dealer I'd been working with and asked if he could match it. He did and I bought the car from him.

    FWIW, there did seem to be several 3s on the lot; I suspect that the GM employee pricing (and now the Ford employee pricing) has cut into Mazda sales...at least where I live.
  • tominsdtominsd Posts: 18
    I am in San Diego too and am thinking of the Mazda 3 hatch. Can you tell me which dealer gave you the best deal? I am seriously considering John Hine because they have on their lot quite a few of what I am looking for: 5 spd, airbag + ABS package and the sunroof + CD pkg. I am looking to offer about $2500 below retail (plus TTL). Thx.
  • mazda6smazda6s Posts: 1,901
    Hard to understand how all of these buyers are posting that they are paying less than INVOICE yet some still try and claim that 7 out of 10 pay MSRP or more.

    Edmunds forum participants are not representative of buyers as a whole. Most buyers have never even heard of Edmunds.
  • z71billz71bill Posts: 2,000
    I wondered about the random selection thing myself - for about 3 seconds - then thought why make it so hard - its been a few years since I did any quantitative analysis! That is why I fell back on the 5th grade algebra. Which is pretty hard to disagree with don't you think?

    You could make the case that Edmunds posters are not a random sample - because they are not! But I also think that if you looked at the important factors that would differentiate the amount paid by different buyers you could make a good case that Edmunds posters would be a VALID sample - even though they are not randomly selected. Using a random sample - although better - is hard to do in these situations - outside of the class room anyway.

    Just a guess - but I don't think you would find a statistical difference between Edmunds posters (to the Mazda3 board) and a random sample of Mazda3 buyers in things like - age, income, education, intelligence, negotiation skills - even internet access - an obvious possible major factor may not even be that great - since being a car nut (posting on Edmunds) and using the net most likely are not positively correlated. In other words - many people have access to the net & know how to use it that don't post on Edmunds. If this was 1980 then I would agree - not may people could look up things like invoice price - on the net - but what % of Mazda3 buyers have internet access and know how to do a search now? I would think most do.
  • z71billz71bill Posts: 2,000
    My does it matter if a buyer has ever heard of EDMUNDS?

    -if you are trying to say - if you read & post on Edmunds you are going to be able to get the best (or a real good) price - I may agree with you on that. Seems right.

    But the flaw then is how do you explain away the FACT that if 7 of 10 are paying MSRP - then the other 3 must be about $1,000 under invoice - yet no posts are claiming getting prices that low.

    The only logical explanation is - you guessed it

    7 out of 10 buyers are not paying MSRP.
  • mdaffronmdaffron Posts: 4,421
    ... belongs somewhere in the Town Hall where dealers and customers can duke it out? Does such a discussion exist, Karen?

    Frankly I'm getting a little tired of this duel between the Mr. Subjective and Mr. Objective. It's getting nowhere, verrrrry slowly.

    Meade
  • Kirstie_HKirstie_H Posts: 10,913
    I'm not Karen... but... let's keep this discussion focused specifically on pricing and purchasing experience for Mazda3 shoppers. We have an entire Smart Shopper board for more general discussion, and our topic titled Any Questions for a Car Dealer? is a better place for this conversation.

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  • z71billz71bill Posts: 2,000
    Although boring to some (ok most - maybe all!) I though that these posts were part of a pricing discussion about the Mazsda3.

    First someone claims that 7/10 pay MSRP for the Mazda3 - then someone else proves that is not reality. Even used Edmunds own PRICING data on the Mazda3.

    BTW the P in MSRP does stand for price.
  • richmlrichml Posts: 156
    I would also take a few of the 'deals' reported here with a huge grain of salt.

    I couldn't agree more.
  • kyfdxkyfdx Posts: 31,059
    I guess the point is..

    Why call someone who posts here often a liar? He said that his store sells 70% of their Mazda3's at MSRP... Take it for what it is worth... But, he does have a history here on Edmunds..

    375 people could post that they bought there Mazda3 for $1000 below invoice.. that still doesn't make him a liar..

    Just like 375 people could post that their A/C works great... that doesn't make you a liar, either... It doesn't even mean that Mazda doesn't have a problem with the A/C..

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  • z71billz71bill Posts: 2,000
    Good point - maybe it is true at this one dealership - anything is possible.

    So I guess the better more PC response (from me) would have been - If a dealership tries to get you to pay MSRP for a Mazda3 then go to another dealership because most (really all but a very few ) are willing to sell this car for somewhere between $500 under to $500 over invoice.

    I'll try that next time!
  • craigacraiga Posts: 1
    Just purchased my M3 hatchback, 5 speed, moonroof + 6cd (Lava Orange) :shades: last night. I paid invoice (not MSRP) for the car, plus a couple hundred to have it driven from a dealer up in Washington, since there aren't a lot of Lava Orange vehicles available, and I didn't want to wait for another one to show up locally. There was only one available in town, and it had more options than I wanted to spring for.

    I had purchased a silver 2004 M3 sedan last year for my daughter to take to college (she really liked the Lava Orange then too, but I was being practical about price), and while she absolutely loves the car, it didn't have air conditioning in it, and that became an issue. Since Mazda doesn't provide a kit for after-market installation, we decided to upgrade. Because it is summer, and the dealer didn't want to offer us what I thought would be a fair price for the trade-in (not having air conditioning), I kept the old car and will try to sell it privately.

    It does help to do research on a site like this one, and much of the information I found here was useful. Equally important is to explore all of the avenues open to you as far as getting quotes. I used the Mazda web site directly to contact area dealers, a shopping service available through my credit union, and direct contact through the dealers web sites, even contacted dealers in the area that my daughter is attending school figuring we could pick it up there, and then worked with the dealer that offered me the best starting point. If you know the make and/or model of the car you want, this is the best way to go as far as I am concerned. You are basically going through their fleet sales channel, and it is much easier to deal with them than as an "up" on the showroom floor.
  • sandman46sandman46 Posts: 1,798
    z71bill, I provided yesterday the amounts I paid with my coupons. I think I paid under invoice...what do you say now? My opinion bud, just enjoy your car and let's move on. The discussion is pointless anyways, we all paid what we paid and all are enjoying the 3...case closed!
    Time to move on. 1 question, on the 2006's, is the 5 speed auto tranny an option?
    Zoom Zoom!

    the Sandman :)
  • fierakfierak Posts: 8
    hi there i got a nice deal on a 1993 mazda 929 for $ 2000 with 187000 km
    . can anybody tell me how are this cars . is it worth it to buy a 929 .
  • z71billz71bill Posts: 2,000
    I do enjoy the car - which I paid $350 over invoice for back in January 2004.

    I am never mad or upset by anything that gets posted - even when things get a little nasty & personal - I enjoy a little disagreement - keeps things interesting. If everyone always agreed it would be kind of bla.
  • cticti Posts: 134
    $300 over invoice is what I paid for my Mazda3 hatch back in February. I posted about this back then but am posting again because discussion seems to have heated up.

    I can't say I'm surprised by audia8q's description of the buying process. My wife is like that. She admits to never having gotten a good deal on any car purchase.

    I also wonder for how many people this was their first new car. It was my frist new car.

    My Mazda has leather, ABS/SAB/SAC, 6-CD/moonroof, auto. There was also a $250 doc fee. As it turns out I would have paid $300 over invoice for any Mazda on the lot, but the price was what I was shooting for to begin with.
  • tgitltgitl Posts: 2
    After calling for specific desired configurations, I found that a couple of dealers in Florida were not willing to consider selling Mazda3's for less than MSRP. Didn't want to play the game, they said, when I told them I was familiar with the invoices, MSRP, and holdback. Good for them, being able to find customers to diminish their supply. I, on the other hand, will simply choose from a dealers a few miles away who are willing to sell me a car for well below invoice pricing. And I have yet to mention rebates. Will get more specific as dealers make more offers.
  • z71billz71bill Posts: 2,000
    I just include those in the calculation for how much I paid over invoice -

    I paid $300 over plus a $50 doc fee - so I just say $350 over. Doc fees are just another way car dealerships get people to pay more. This is the only reason they exist - plain simple fact.

    As long as they are part of the negotiation then I could care less - but if they spring them on you after the deal is done and just include them in - that is wrong - and I will not pay them.

    No one can argue with this - can they?
  • I'm in the Dallas, TX area and am looking to purchase a Mazda3i. I found the one I want and I'm personally happy with the deal I'll be getting. MSRP on what I want is $15,990. They're going to give it to me for invoice price which is $15,052. I checked around and found that the average price people are paying for the same car is $15,315. Does this sound good to anybody?

    (Could be going to get it tomorrow evening so quick replies would be appreciated!)
  • On Friday, July 29th, I paid $16,500 for a new 2005 Black Mica Mazda 3s Sedan with ABS and Sport Package. Car rolled off the assembly line in June 05. No problems with the AC.

    I shopped around on the Internet and got quotes from several dealers. The dealer I did business with "dealer-traded" for the exact car I wanted, and trucked it in about 80 miles at no additional charge. Happy Customer.
  • where do you live, and how did you get that price? Was there a trade in involved???
  • I think you have legitimate concerns regarding whether or not people paying below invoice are getting raked over the coals in other areas, but I wasn't. I paid $300 under invoice in San Diego for Mazda 3 5 door with auto, abs, sab, 6 cd and moonroof. I had my own financing before I walked into the dealer and I did not have a trade in. Granted, I negotiated the sale price on my vehicle before I told them that I had my own financing. I never had to go through the, "so how can you afford to pay per month," nonsense.

    The dealer told me flat out that they were facing pricing pressures from GM and Ford due to the employee discount. Even at $300 under invoice the Mazda3 5-door was still substantially more expensive then all of the other cars I was looking at. The Mazda dealer that sold me the car knew this and cut prices accordingly.
  • I went to Westcott in National City. If you get a quote via Edmunds.com you will go through fleet sales instead of through the regular sales staff. They gave me the best quote and they were easy to work with.
  • 1. I live in L.A.
    2. I used the internet (edmunds, cars.com, carsdirect.com, mazdausa.com) and played multiple dealers off each other.
    3. No trade-in.

    I got 4.49% APR, $45 doc fee. There are several internet sales departments of dealers in this area who openly advertise 1.5% over invoice. The fact that I was able to beat invoice by $700 was likely due to end of the month, end of the model year dealer incentives, and perhaps a bit of good negotiating...
  • danvancedanvance Posts: 13
    Hi, the dealer in my town has (2) 2004 red 5 door mazda3s. These are fully loaded with leather, xenon, navigation, etc. They MSRP for 22,500. The issue is, they are 04's. Mazda is no longer offering rebates for these as they are so old and now the dealer is stuck with the cars. I asked them what the lowest they would go on them is, and he said 1k below invoice. Does it seem like a mistake to purchase a car that is almost two years old for 1k below invoice with no rebates?

    Also, has anyone heard if the 05's are going to have rebates when the 06's hit?
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