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Only people who don't wear seat belts get hurt in these beast when hit.
DrFill
DrFill
Thanks in advance. I will search through all the garbage post that are showing up here and find your response when it comes. Why do you guys insist on coming on the "2007 Toyota Tundra New Owners Report" forum with all your garbage posts? Are you really that desparate for attention?
My dealer says he has a production date for me, but is at his house right now. He will call me later in the day with my production date. From the folks I have been talking to, it sounds like adding 3-weeks to the production date is a good estimate for delivery date.
Well as much as i hate to break it to you... are you sitting down? ......Toyota is foreign.
Sounds like an American built truck to me.
It's funny how folks come on this forum trying to be wise and funny, and are neither. The fact that this truck is American is basic knowledge and brochure type information; shouldn't even be a discussion point on a forum that is 1000 threads strong.
But there are those guys that like to piddle. Dig through the parts lists and find a hose clamp that was manufactured in Japan.............then start claiming that the Tundra is foreign.
Thre trannies are built I believe either in Buffalo, WV or at a satellite plant in San Antonio. I'm not sure on this frankly.
thanks Bob
It's funny how folks come on this forum trying to be wise and funny, and are neither. The fact that this truck is American is basic knowledge and brochure type information; shouldn't even be a discussion point on a forum that is 1000 threads strong.
But there are those guys that like to piddle. Dig through the parts lists and find a hose clamp that was manufactured in Japan.............then start claiming that the Tundra is foreign.
And at the end of the day where does the money go? Back to the land of the rising sun
:mad:
http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-toyota12jan12,1,246027.story?coll=la-headl- ines-business&track=crosspromo
I have no problems accepting Toyota or any other imports on our turf if continued growth coincides with continued profits. They've earned my respect and I am certainly not alone in that. :shades:
please, please prove me wrong, prove that no money goes back to japan, this i got to see
lol, give it up dude! If you are worried about some of your money ending up in Japan, you might as well just put a gun to your head right now.
But wait, some of the cost of the bullet would end up in Japan, dang.
This Tundra is an American truck, pure and simple. And long-time Chevy guys like me are buying it for obvious reasons. Get used to it.
If you don't wanna get on the boat, fine; but why are you trying to punch holes it it with a needle?
BTW, isn't the origin of the word "maple" foreign? I think so.
And at the end of the day where does the money go? Back to the land of the rising sun ( all the money, most of the money, some of the money, a tiny bit of the money?)
Followed by:
please, please prove me wrong, prove that no money goes back to japan, this i got to see
Now that's entirely different wording. Yes I am certain some money is sent to Japan at the end of the month or quarter or year. It's nowhere near the amount of money that stays here and benefits our economy though.
And at the end of the day where does the money go? Back to the land of the rising sun ( all the money, most of the money, some of the money, a tiny bit of the money?)
Followed by:
please, please prove me wrong, prove that no money goes back to japan, this i got to see
Now that's entirely different wording. Yes I am certain some money is sent to Japan at the end of the month or quarter or year. It's nowhere near the amount of money that stays here and benefits our economy though.
see you forgot your statement which slots in the middle of your quotes "How much do you want to be proven wrong?"
How are you going to prove anything when you dont know the question? Now of course im not saying every nickle profit goes back to japan, the texas plant alone would kill that theory. You say the majority of the money stays here, I say the majority goes back, Im sure you'll dig up some link somewhere to try and make your case, just like im sure i could find the same to support me if i so desired, as im sure there are sites out there would support both arguments.
Sure its nice that toyota built the texas plant to build the tundra, but dont kid yourself into thinking this investment represents most of the profits being sunk back into our economy. 1.25B +/- is spare change for toyota, gm spent 900 million in the car plant here 2 yrs ago for a new PAINT SHOP! not a whole new plant, just a paint shop, on land that they already owned. Mind you there are two car plants and a truck plant on the property i have no idea how many vehicles are produced there every year but it is a massive plant.
So you see that realy 1B$ sounds pretty cheap for a whole new plant including the land. What did they build it out of? dried engine sludge?
sorry couldnt resist :P
You say the majority of the money stays here, I say the majority goes back, Im sure you'll dig up some link somewhere to try and make your case, just like im sure i could find the same to support me if i so desired, as im sure there are sites out there would support both arguments
There is no statement from anyone that I need for reference. It's all in the data available to anyone. Here is the argumentation:
First things first the Tundra is produced from parts which are at least 75% 'made in NA'. This is on the windows by law.
This vehicle is sold only in NA so most( 75%? ) of the design, engineering, testing is done here. CA, MI & AZ.
At least 75% of the parts of the vehicles are made here.
Let's say that 25% of the parts are made in Japan.
100% of the labor is paid here, obviously.
100% of the building and building materials and labor to build the plant are paid here.
100% of the final vehicle prep is paid here.
100% of the transportation is paid here.
100% of the sales and marketing is paid here.
100% of the dealers are located here.
100% of the dealer sales staffs are located here
100% of the IRS is located here, obviously.
Ditto the taxing authorities of Indiana and Texas.
So lets take a typical truck, selling for say $30000, and work backwards.
A very common number thrown about is that these trucks generate about $10000 profit each. I don't know for certain but all through the 90's and recently this has been commonly mentioned. We'll use it.
Truck price: ........ $30000
Dealer markup........ 4000 All paid in NA
Transportation ......... 600 All paid in NA
Delivery Prep .......... 400 All Paid in NA
Wholesale Price.... $25000
.. PROFIT .... $10000
Net cost of the truck $15000
BUT:
IRS' part of the PROFIT.. $5000 All paid in the US
TX/IN tax on the PROFIT. $1000 All paid in the US
Sales and marketing here ALL paid in the US
Management here ALL paid in the US
Labor at the plants ALL paid in the US
...Then there's the cost of...
Steel from US Steel and Armco and Dofasco
Tires from Goodrich and Michelin
Aluminum from Alcoa
Parts from Johnson Controls
Seating from Lear
Components from Delphi
Engines from Bodine, MO.
Glass, plastic, gaskets, wiring, tubing, etc, etc.
75% of this is paid to NA companies for the parts made here.
Then there's the payments to the banks and lenders and suppliers to amortize/pay off the plant and machinery.
In all of the above there is very very little that might 'end up back in Japan'. $4, $5, $6000 at most.
That means that about $25000 out of a $30000 sale end up staying here.
Unless they take that profit and build new plants in Mich or Miss or Ontario, then it all stays here.
With all this bashing of TOYOTA, why is TOYOTA rated number 3 in the top rated and respected companies in the US? None of the "DETROIT 3" are even listed? And with TOYOTA selling more now than Dodge and taking a large portion away from FORD, even Fortune Magazine has advised that you can't call them the "Big 3" anymore. :sick: Read the article for yourself..
Sounds like an American built truck to me. "
Alot of the Toyota design was also done in Japan. Alot of the upper management at the new factory are also from Japan. The Tundra is made by a company that imported over 1,000,000 cars to the US from Japan last year. Sorry, but Tundra is an import because it was made by an import company.
Oh and while we are at it, we need to make sure not to buy any of that "Foriegn" oil to fuel our 4 ton Suburbans and Tahoes. I mean, there must be enough in Texas to support us for a while right?
-Ridiculousness off-
As mentioned above, these trucks are being built on U.S. soil, by Americans. Don't like it, don't buy one. Go ahead and continue buying your cars and trucks from those foriegn folks mascarading as Americans as they roll your shiney new Chevy out onto the pavement in
Silao, Mexico :sick:
The choice is yours. Welcome to America, Enjoy your stay
kcram - Pickups Host
"This vehicle is sold only in NA so most( 75%? ) of the design, engineering, testing is done here. CA, MI & AZ."
Alot of the design an engineering was done in Japan. The Tranny is made by Aisan, the engine was designed in Japan and the initial production of them came from Japan.
At least 75% of the parts of the vehicles are made here.
Let's say that 25% of the parts are made in Japan.
100% of the labor is paid here, obviously.
Agree on the labour, except for the bulk of management at the new plant which are from Japan.
100% of the building and building materials and labor to build the plant are paid here.
Agree
100% of the final vehicle prep is paid here.
100% of the transportation is paid here.
Agree
100% of the sales and marketing is paid here.
Way off here. If you don't think the Sales and Marketing in Japan is not involved, your fooling yourself. It was reported that head office was in disagreement with US arm in determining the MSRP of the vehicles. Head office won that battle.
100% of the dealers are located here.
Yes, but the dealers are not part of Toyota and have nothing to do with setting whether a company is import of domestic. These dealers sold over 1,000,000 imported Toyota's last year. They are import dealers.
100% of the dealer sales staffs are located here
Same as above.
100% of the IRS is located here, obviously.
Ditto the taxing authorities of Indiana and Texas.
Wow, I did not realize the IRS jobs exist because the Tundra is assembled in the US. This makes no sense kdhspyder.
So lets take a typical truck, selling for say $30000, and work backwards.
A very common number thrown about is that these trucks generate about $10000 profit each. I don't know for certain but all through the 90's and recently this has been commonly mentioned. We'll use it.
Truck price: ........ $30000
Dealer markup........ 4000 All paid in NA
Transportation ......... 600 All paid in NA
Delivery Prep .......... 400 All Paid in NA
Wholesale Price.... $25000
.. PROFIT .... $10000
Net cost of the truck $15000
BUT:
IRS' part of the PROFIT.. $5000 All paid in the US
TX/IN tax on the PROFIT. $1000 All paid in the US
Sales and marketing here ALL paid in the US
Management here ALL paid in the US
Labor at the plants ALL paid in the US
...Then there's the cost of...
Steel from US Steel and Armco and Dofasco
Tires from Goodrich and Michelin
Aluminum from Alcoa
Parts from Johnson Controls
Seating from Lear
Components from Delphi
Engines from Bodine, MO.
Glass, plastic, gaskets, wiring, tubing, etc, etc.
75% of this is paid to NA companies for the parts made here.
Then there's the payments to the banks and lenders and suppliers to amortize/pay off the plant and machinery.
In all of the above there is very very little that might 'end up back in Japan'. $4, $5, $6000 at most.
That means that about $25000 out of a $30000 sale end up staying here.
Unless they take that profit and build new plants in Mich or Miss or Ontario, then it all stays here.
Can you provide your sources for these numbers or did you just make them up? Even if they are close, if $5,000 goes back to Japan, and Tundra sells 200,000, thats 1 billion dollars going back to Japan just for the Tundra alone. How much do you think goes to Japan for the 1,000,000 Toyota's they imported?
have a good day wildbill. My POS tundra will be here soon. I'll be sure to post some pics and give a report of MY experiences with the new Tundra soon after I get it.
All the figures above on pricing are available here on Edmunds. This is very easy to do.
The point about the IRS and the taxing authorities was meant to show that 100% of the TAXES stay here in the US.
It doesn't matter if the management of the plant is from Japan or Texas or India or NY. If they work here they get paid here and their money ends up staying here. They have to eat and live and send their kids to school all in the local areas.
As to the profit estimate, as I mentioned it is a commonly quoted figure ... and from my past career one that makes sense.
As to the dealers and the retail sales force, that's one of the key points because of a $30000 vehicle at least 10-20% of what a typical MSRP is related to the dealer and has nothing to do with Toyota. Obviously all this money remains in the US economy.
Sales and Marketing ( OK granted 99% is based here ). Sales and Marketing is not only the Managers who make the final decision it's...
.. the marketing types investigating who buys what at the local fishing tournaments;
.. the marketing types observing which accessories are sold to a typical new buyer;
.. demographics and trade-in data purchased from PIN;
.. the print ads, the media ads ( HUGE HUGE amount );
.. product training of the entire sales force ( HUGE amount )
Finally this vehicle is sold only in NA.. That's a fact.
All the body design was done in Newport Beach CA: Fact
All the testing was done at the facility in AZ: Fact
All the technical design was done at the facility in MI: Fact
The tranny design and testing I believe was done in Japan.
Those are the facts. No assumptions there.
This gets way off topic from the Tundra but all automakers are Intnational companies. They invest all over the world. What profit's GM and Ford and DC and Toyota and Hyundai make in the more profitable markets ( US and Europe ) often end up investing in new facilities and training/employing new workers in China or India. Or in the case of Toyota and Honda, new plants in Miss, Indiana, Michigan and Ontario. New greenfield plants here from the Detroit3? That's just the way international business is done.
Now back to the Tundra.
Actually, I'd like to see proof that NO money goes back to Japan when you bought your Silverado.
he also got tired of his "faulty fuel gauge problems". NOBODY but wildbill has reported problems with the fuel gauge, and he doesn't even own a tundra!
As for the "denting" problems...like i said ONE individual has reported problems with his bed denting. That is jaymack in post #784. Other than that, nobody else is reporting any "bed to thin", denting problems.
It is actually very funny stuff.
I believe some folks really want a Tundra, but can't get one for one reason or another, so.....they resort to attempting to bash it and downtalk the truck.
Let me demonstrate...
Although I have driven many of the trucks, I am not currently an owner, so I can't claim to be the first one. I have heard many positive things from '07 Tundra owners and would like to hear your opinion, please.
Thanks,
David "Snuffy" Smith
All the figures above on pricing are available here on Edmunds. This is very easy to do.
The point about the IRS and the taxing authorities was meant to show that 100% of the TAXES stay here in the US.
It doesn't matter if the management of the plant is from Japan or Texas or India or NY. If they work here they get paid here and their money ends up staying here. They have to eat and live and send their kids to school all in the local areas.
As to the profit estimate, as I mentioned it is a commonly quoted figure ... and from my past career one that makes sense.
As to the dealers and the retail sales force, that's one of the key points because of a $30000 vehicle at least 10-20% of what a typical MSRP is related to the dealer and has nothing to do with Toyota. Obviously all this money remains in the US economy.
Sales and Marketing ( OK granted 99% is based here ). Sales and Marketing is not only the Managers who make the final decision it's...
.. the marketing types investigating who buys what at the local fishing tournaments;
.. the marketing types observing which accessories are sold to a typical new buyer;
.. demographics and trade-in data purchased from PIN;
.. the print ads, the media ads ( HUGE HUGE amount );
.. product training of the entire sales force ( HUGE amount )
Finally this vehicle is sold only in NA.. That's a fact.
All the body design was done in Newport Beach CA: Fact
All the testing was done at the facility in AZ: Fact
All the technical design was done at the facility in MI: Fact
The tranny design and testing I believe was done in Japan.
Those are the facts. No assumptions there.
This gets way off topic from the Tundra but all automakers are Intnational companies. They invest all over the world. What profit's GM and Ford and DC and Toyota and Hyundai make in the more profitable markets ( US and Europe ) often end up investing in new facilities and training/employing new workers in China or India. Or in the case of Toyota and Honda, new plants in Miss, Indiana, Michigan and Ontario. New greenfield plants here from the Detroit3? That's just the way international business is done.
Now back to the Tundra."
kdhspyder, this will be my last post in this topic since this forum about Tundra ownership experience and not whether its an import or domestic. You list all these things as FACT yet when I asked for your sources, you can't provide. Sounds to me that most of your facts are speculation.
There are a few current owners that post here.
There are quite a few folks posting here that are interested in one.
There are tons of bashers that post here.
There are a few folks posting here that are waiting on delivery of their special ordered tundra (I am one of these expecting delivery mid-April).
I stay in this forum because I see the value of it. Once I take delivery of my new Tundra, you will see me continue to post updates on my experiences with the tundra, both good and bad; what I like and dislike about it, what I would change about it if ordering one again, etc. And I fully expect the bashers to counter my posts with claims that I either am a Toyota dealer or am lying about even owning one.
You see, we had a few guys that actually purchased, were driving, and posting regarding their new Tundra. They quickly got tired of being bashed and simply quit posting here and are out enjoying their new Tundra in isolation. Can't blame em for that.
kcram - Pickups Host
This is just one persons observation based on experience, not emotion.
DrFill