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10.5" ring gear in the rear differential
14" brake rotors (on all four corners), 4 piston calipers in front HUGE calipers
front full box section frame, curled lip "C" channel frame in rear
staggered/outboard mounted rear shocks with tapered rear leaf springs for better articulation.
up to 10,800 lb. towing capacity
18" wheels standard on 4x4's
the front wheels "camber" (or tilt in and out) when you're in a tight turning situation :shades:
I've heard rumors that a heavier duty 3/4 and 1 ton are in development. I believe the situation is this...if Toyota sells over 200,000 of this new Tundra for MY2007 then Toyota will build the "heavy duty" trucks. Toyota has the additional space already in their new Texas plant to build a facility to manufacture a heavy duty pick up. I wouldn't expect a 3/4 or 1 ton until around 2010. When the '07 is out...drive one. You see what I mean. If you get a knowledgable "truck guy" when you go to your local dealer who can explain and show you the capabilities of this new Tundra you'll understand.
Boy that's a tough one. The current generation Tundra is a great truck. And yes there are programs to move 'em. I don't think you'll see any programs on the '07 truck for awhile. I guess the decision is really yours to make. Do you want to pay more for "the new kid on the block" or will the current generation be fine for what you need it for? If you're looking for something that will tow 6,600 lb.s and get a discount...by the '06. If you can wait till February or so for your purchase and can live with yourself for paying a bit more for more towing, power and size. Well, wait. My Double Cab SR5, TRD Off Road 4WD will be on the market come Feb. I'll get 'ya a good deal on my used one. Hee-hee.
I have been offered a 2007 Tundra at cost once all the hoopla passes. I am very impatient individual and the editor's at Edmunds are not helping!
It would be nice though,aye? 380 some odd horses and 20 mpg! Where do I sign? Should be the only question on a buyers mind.
I looked on Wikipedia.com and could not find any hp or EPA fuel economy ratings anywhere. Did I miss a link or something on that web page?
DrFill
It appears that the transmissions are showing signs of trouble as time goes on.
I have owned two Toyota trucks (T-100 and Tundra)
It just cost me $3500 for a new transmission on a 2001 Tundra. Read the "problems" forum; there are many postings on transmission issues as the Tundra ages. :lemon:
Toyota told me I was on my own for the repair albeit the truck was serviced according to their scheduled maintenance.
Never towed; never heavy hauled.
Be careful of the transmissions as the Tundra grows old :lemon:
I wish I had read the forum on Problems with the Tundra BEFORE I purchased it.
Unfortunately, I am one of the original owners of the Tundra; I own a 2001. Advertised Truck of the Year back then
NOW: 2006 :lemon:
Just replaced the transmission - $3500. :lemon:
Never towed; service according to the scheduled maintenance, and Toyota dealer service dept., Toyota Regional Rep., Toyota national, and dealership owner said I was on my own for the cost of repair.
Read the postings about transmissions on Tundras BEFORE you consider a purchase.
I have owned two Toyota trucks: there won't be a third.
Buyer Beware - :lemon:
There are problems surfacing in the "original" fleet of Tundras.
5AT in the 4.0L and 4.7L
6AT in the 5.7L
The old transmission didn't stand up. :lemon:
And Toyota did not stand behind the vehicle. When the drivetrain warranty is up (60,000 miles); the customer is on his own. It's an expensive "bet" to make for a vehicle that hypes 100,000 - 200,000 miles.
I have owned two Toyota trucks, and I was considering a new 07 Tundra.
After my recent transmission experience and the response from Toyota's customer service, I won't buy another. :lemon:
Toyota advertises about the durability of the truck: commercials of vehicles of over 100,000 miles; yet when the warranty is up at 60,000 miles, they don't stand behind the vehicle.
If you buy the Tundra you might be lucky; you might be not.
Is it worth the "roll of the dice" to be hope you don't ultimately have this kind of expense.
It's not going to happen to me again.
Toyota "reliability" ends at 60,0000 miles.:lemon:
You would think with my 2001 that never towed, never heavy hauled, and maintained according to the service schedule, it could have made it to the 100,000 mark.
Most people I speak to indicate that the major components of a drivetrain should last 100,000 miles, and a manufacturer should be willing to stand behind those major components. The dealer service department indicated that there was not a maintenance problem with the transmission.
It was an "unusual" event; however, they had a replacement in less than 24 hours. Curious that such an unusual mechanical problem has the parts on-hand so readily.
I am happy for you making it without problems. If you DID have problems, you would have experienced another facet to Toyota. I had the experience and it's not worth hoping I don't have a second experience. As you indicate, these trucks are pricey, and customer care :lemon: should be better.
Here's a thought: Do you think that the new Tundra could be an answer to the fact that these problems are beginning to show up in the original "Truck of the Year"?
I don't consider that luck. I maintain my vehicles, meticulously. This "truck" :lemon: did not tow or heavy haul. The service manager who replaced the transmission indicated that it did not fail for maintenance issues.
I don't expect to replace the major components of a drivetrain under 100,000 miles, and I don't think any realistic truck owner buys a TRUCK thinking that he/she will have to replace major drivetrain components. Radiators, belts, oil, filters, tires etc. need to be replaced. Major drivetrain components of vehicles, particularly in this day and age, should make it to 100,000 miles.
I bought this Tundra and my previous T-100 for its advertised durability. It was "babied" by truck standards, and the transmission failed.
Don't pitch a vehicle for durability with 100,000 mile+ ads if you only stand behind it to 60,000 miles.
As I recommended to others:
After 60,000 miles get rid of the Tundra it's not worth the gamble.
When you buy your next Tundra, do you really anticipate the transmission, serviced according to Toyota's recommended maintenance, will fail BEFORE 100,000 miles?
If it does, would you buy another Tundra?
When you look at the price tag of the 2007, is it worth the bet?
Verifiable stats please. Your personal difficulties seem to have clouded your perception. As noted previously there seem to be many more very happy owners at TS or TN for example who have had few or no problems.
Over on the Problems and Solutions forum your similar rants are receiving similar replies. You seem to be the only one of the 'MANY' having this problem. I'm sorry it occurred to you but it's hardly a trend.
To sum it up, even if this was an isolated incident, the circumstances demand some sort of recompense or help on Toyota's behalf for a product that was/is obviously poorly manufactured.
Since neither of us were parties to the 'discussions' your last statement is not accurate. Sell your 8 y.o. car to someone in the newspaper AS IS, then 4 months later have him come back and sit in your driveway demanding that you fix the leaky oil seal or he won't move.
'Honey, call the police.'
I am not the only voice on the Problems and Solutions Forum indicating transmission issues with the original Tundras
Understand, I was a Toyota advocate, I raved ,not ranted, about the vehicle - UNTIL I had to deal with what I consider an unacceptable issue with a vehicle especially a truck - the failure of a major drivetrain component under 100,000.
The failure was unacceptable and the response from Toyota was also unacceptable. Especially, when they hype the durability with 100,000+ mile commercials.
The Forum is to let others know what they may encounter regarding vehicles based on experience vs. rhetoric.
What is your personal experience with Tundras that can be added to the discussion?
Your opinion, however, does not extend to saying that because yours is bad, and because somebody else had problems, they are ALL bad. Consumer Reports's owner survey of the Tundra simply does not support your assertion. Your one vehicle is not a statistically significant sampling of all Tundras. Your experience is an experience of one. It is rhetoric to say they all suck. Your comment above that no one complains about good experiences is exactly right, and there are hundreds of thousands of happy owners versus your experience.
My opinion--I read these forums to research these issues before making a purchase decision, and your experience is certainly relevant to that decision. However, your hyperbole that all Tundras are crap simply is not supported by the body of evidence, your own experience notwithstanding. Given the choice of rolling the dice with Toyota versus a domestic manufacturer, I'll go with Toyota every time.
Regards,
Tom
From my experience, owning cars and trucks for over 40 years, domestic and foreign, this is the first transmission that has ever failed. To be honest the "truck" was babied: it never towed, never heavy hauled, and was serviced according to Toyotas posted maintenance schedule. A supposed "truck" transmission should not fail under these conditions.
From my experience, having a friend who is an executive for a domestic auto dealer, he indicates that no component in the drivetrain of any vehicle should fail under less that 100,000 miles without having the auto company standing behind their product and offering some relief to the customer.
From my experiences, I have dealt with car manufacturers who have been willing to ignore warranty mileage and stand behind their product.
From my experience with Toyota service and customer care, I find that the company is NOT willing to stand behind their product.
There are more than one or two issues surfacing about transmission problems with the original Tundra owners on the Forums. There are more than one or two issues concerning Toyota Customer care. :lemon:
The problems are from people who have EXPERIENCE with the Tundra and Toyota Customer care.
Understand, I was a true advocate of the Toyota Tundra. I owned two Toyota trucks. I did the same reading. Now I have experienced what will happen if you do run in to problems with the vehicle. You are going to be on your own after 60,000 miles. That's not hyperbole or rehetroric. That's FACT from experience.
Reading about vehicles and owning and experiencing vehicles is very different. To ignore the experiences of owners is a "roll of the dice." "Experience keeps a dear school, but a fool will learn in no other"
What personal experiences do you have concerning Tundras can be added to the discussion?
I am entirely qualified to respond to your comments in the way I did because I have owned about 14 autos in my life, several of them purchased new. It's a fact that the transmission should not fail under the conditions you described. It's also a fact that Toyota owes you nothing. Did you read the warranty? It is a contract, and they don't owe you a thing after it expires. Toyota is some how the bad guy because they didn't fix your problem? If you want a warranty to 100K, buy a Hyundai or an extended warranty.
I am also permitted within my life experience to believe statistics of thousands over one person's experience. As I said before, your experiences are very relevant to someone making a purchase decision. However, one or two people with usernames like "usedtobeloyal" are not going to somehow make me believe that the sky is falling when the great body of evidence is to the contrary. I direct you to my previous comments about drawing conclusions of this nature: serranot, "Festivus Airing of Grievances" #1, 26 Dec 2005 8:24 pm. See number 1.
You're right about being on your own after 60k. My Trooper currently has 82K on it. If the engine blew up, I would be horribly upset, but I wouldn't be crying that Isuzu wouldn't replace the motor. There is no secret understanding that the company somehow owes me something past the warranty period.
Regards,
Tom
Unlike you, I am an owner of two Toyota trucks. So I'll "bring you up to speed."
We purchase Toyotas because of their reputation. We expect that they will take us 100,000+ miles.
Because of the expected reliability, and, MORE IMPORTANTLY, because Toyota Customer Care was so adamant about replacing a part that they said so infrequently needs repair, I decided to search "Toyota problems" and "Toyota transmission problems" on the internet.
So if you're on this Toyota New Owners Forum looking for a new Tundra, SEARCH THE INTERNET for the experience of other owners.
What I found were two things that were distressing:
1. Toyota transmissions and other mechanical problems are not unusual. Certainly, not "one person's experience."
2. Toyota Customer Care :lemon: is unresponsive beyond the dealer, and they often deny there is a problem.
The anecdotal customer experience is eye-opening: One owner had blue smoke coming out of a brand-new Toyota, and Toyota National said it was normal; another owner had a transmission problem and during the meeting the Toyota rep. said he would not have bought the customers truck with the problem he was having - the claim was DENIED because it wasn't a safety issue; a 2005 with 40,000 miles, needs a new engine and Toyota refuses to cover.
If mechanical issues are in fact so uncommon, such as my transmission, why is there such a reluctance to stand behind a vehicle that hypes its reliability?
The reason I am on this forum is because I wish I had the opportunity to read the first hand experiences of Tundra owners BEFORE I bought a Tundra.
With my experience now and with the subsequent information that I found on the internet, there will not be a third Toyota. My recommendation since my first posting: Sell a Toyota after 60,000 miles. As you appropriately stated it is the warranty.
During my search I found some information that best summarizes my opinion, from the ultimate authority on Toyota - the "man behind the curtain" puffing smoke the the Land of Oz:
"[Toyota] recalled nearly 1 million vehicles worldwide in May. Toyota President Katsuaki Watanabe apologized in September for the increase in problems."
Caveat Emptor and sell at 60,000 miles.
Thus ends the lesson.
BTW, my wife had the same exact problem with her BMW and they didn't cover the trans either. My wife just smiled and asked "But, isn't this the ultimate driving machine?" BMW still wouldn't cover the Trans but did give her free labor.
BTW, You said you were done.