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1. The are many, 100k-200k full-size owners, who are driving domestics/Tacos that have the Next Tundra on their radar screens. Doesn't mean even half will buy, but it will be investigated. Many were waiting for Toyota to offer a Hemi/Triton/Vortex competitor!
2. Toyota has about 500k+ current Tundra owners looking at Tundra 2.0 as well.
3. Toyota car owners generally move to the domestics to get the size/power they want, but become disgruntled with the trade-offs. Toyota can market to these defectors.
4. The 4.7 has almost as much power as the Triton 5.4!
5. The interior is a disappointment, and the grille is confusing, but the sheetmetal itself is tight, like skin- over-muscle.
6. Fleet sales will become more focused this time around.
7. Ford, Dodge, and Nissan are losing share, and GM and 'Yota WILL pick up the pieces. The Titan is done if it can't sell before the Chevy and 'Tundra arrive!
DrFill
Ford acknowledged yesterday, NYTimes article that it was contracting and that Toyota should pass it in 2007 but it was also concerned about contracting too much where Chrysler also passed it. Ford is really really really cutting back; Taurus, minivans, Explorers, F150's, Wixom plant (?), domestic made Rangers in St Paul (?). It may be almost half the size it was 5 yrs ago.
GM is on a good streak; Kudo's to the Silverado for MT TOTY ( good job to chevy598 and your coworkers !), Acadia/Outlook, Aura/Malibu, hybrid initiatives and 2 mode system. Do something about the Cobalt!!
"The Toyota Tundra, voted Edmunds.com’s Most Significant Vehicle of 2007, will take a chunk of large truck market share from the domestic automakers. This is a very profitable segment, so any loss in market share will have a disproportionately large impact financially. In terms of sales volume, Toyota will overtake Ford as the number two automaker in America by mid-2007."
Now that the Own part of Isuzu they will will be able to use Isuzu dielse Technology
And use the Suburu plants that they bought the month before.
1.Both trucks deliver over 300 hp.
2.Both trucks will get 20+ MPG Hwy.
3.Both trucks can tow more than 10,000 lbs.
4.Can take more than 2000 lbs of payload.
But here's why I think why Chevy has an advatage against Toyota.
Better interior
Looks a bit more refined.
Here's were I think we can Toyota has an advantage.
Indegrated tow hitch
6 speed automatic transmission
Bluetooth Navigation
Toyota still hasn't released HP/Torque rates as of yet. Jan 8th at the Detroit Auto Show is where and when we'll know the exact #'s. I'm merely guessing/estimating the ratings from driving and experiencing the truck.
What are the REAL figures people are getting as far as MPG city/highway for a 2006/2007 Tundra, V6 or V8 engines?
Currently I have a 1991 Ford F250, that served me well over the past years. Was more reliable then my 1986 Toyota 4X4 SR5, however after 180k miles the tranny went out and Im looking at a new truck. Im not crazy about what Ford offers today and Toyota is where I want to be. I see that they dropped a V6 with 4WD, did this mean they had problems and it was under powered? My goal is to find a model that has decent mileage and 4Wd.
Thanks
Usually when they add or drop models it's because the buyers are not asking for a specific combination. It's true that they aren't offering a 4WD V6 but it's because of lack of demand.... and the Tacoma has the same V6 with 4WD.
That would be great.
will the Crew Max get the same Gas Mileage as the Double Cab? Also will the Crew Max have a longbed option? If so how long will the longbed be? My final question is in January will they still be selling the 2006 Tundra?I've heard the 2007 Tundra comes in Feb. '07.
As of now there is no standard bed or long bed option on the CrewMax. The initial 31 configurations have been published now for a month or so.
The availability of 2006 models depends on each individual store. I believe that 2006 production has stopped now at Princeton since it will start up the 2007 CrewMax next week. What 2006's are out there are the last ones.
IMO most stores will run out of '06 models before the '07s arrive in Feb.
Who wants to be Tundra's time? I say 6.9.
DrFill
Toyota hasn't released the fuel economy ratings to anyone. My guess would be...yes they will be the same. (EPA ratings) The Crew Max looks as though it has the same chassis as the Double Cab L/B. I too would like to see a 6 1/4' bed on a Crew Max as well. The Crew Max is being built to compete with the Ford F150 Crew. Which is only available in a smaller bed configuration. Perhaps if enough people complain/ask Toyota might be willing to stretch the new Tundras platform to enable them to build a bigger box for the back. It all going to based upon Toyota feeling if they spend the extra coin to develop it will it sell. (?) My guess is there are no current plans for the 6 1/4' bed for the Crew Max. The Crew Max is scheduled to be avaible for sale on dealer's lot in April. That's the latest I have heard from corporate. The 2006 Tundra is all done as far as production. The '06 inventory levels are getting scarce. Dealers should start getting their '07's by the last week in Jan. and the 1st weel in February. The transport companies only ship to dealers when the have a full load of vehicles going to a particulaer area. That being said...with the new Tundra being that much larger than the current generation Tundra. The transport rigs should be filled quicker. (bigger truck takes up more space)
Just how much bigger is the cab on the Crew Max compared to the DC?
The reason I ask is because the long-bed version of the Double Cab has an inside bed length of 97.6" according to Toyota's website. Thats a smidge over 8'. Assuming the same chassis/wheelbase, Toyota could easily add 18" to the cab length for a Crew Max version and still provide a box length approaching 6-1/2'.
Besides, the Ford Super Crew with a 6-1/2 bed has a wheelbase of 'only' 150.5". The wheelbase on the upcoming Tundra DoubleCab Long Bed has a wheelbase of 164.5" (which is 4" LONGER than even the Dodge MegaCab). Given that wheelbase, I think it's safe to say the upcoming Tundra Crew Max will have at LEAST a 6-1/4' bed.
HP, torque, payload, towing capacity, GVWR, rear ends, etc, etc are all still 'unofficial'. Everyone is pretty sure of the range but how that translates to the road is what everyone is waiting to see. The ride and drives give a good indication though. :surprise: WOW! might be an understatement.
All that's official now are Toyota's designations of
short bed.
regular bed.
long bed.
The 31 initial configurations are published already so that the dealers can order the vehicles. In the CrewMax bodies all that's available is the 'short bed'. Now how long the short bed is will have to wait until Jan 7th.
If the short bed is only 5.5' then Toyota may be waiting for the debut of the diesel in the near future to offer regular and long bed options for the CrewMax.
Given a 97.6" bed length for the DC Long Bed (on the 164.5" chassis), I have a hard time seeing a bed length over 30" shorter on that same chassis. Well, maybe for a limo version....
However, given a 78.7" bed length for the DC Reg Bed (on the shorter 145.7" chassis), I can certainly see the shorter 66.7" bed for the DC+ (Crew Max).
Which tells me that, come next spring, the initial Crew Max trucks will arrive on the shorter chassis. Perhaps the Crew Max Reg Bed (on the longer 164.5" chassis) won't arrive until the HD versions are released (with perhaps an available diesel) sometime in '08?
That would make it 78" long. On the Tundra website Toyota lists the regular bed as being 78.7" long. The configuration list from Toyota indicates that the CrewMax comes only in the 'short bed'.
Unless it was a typo back a month or so ago it seems the DCab bed will be shorter than the regular bed... at least initially.
Careful....
Are you saying the DOUBLE CAB bed will be shorter than the regular bed (at least initially)? Toyota's miniwebsite for the new Tundra lists the DOUBLE CAB with two bed lengths: 78.7" and 97.6".
I think you were referring to the Crew Max version; not the DCab....
Yep - but evidently, no turning circle..... :surprise:
Just out of curiousity, if you've got bed dimensions for the upcoming DC+ version (or 'Crew Max' south of the border), would you happen to have the interior room dimensions as well? I'm particularly curious about differences in head/legroom between the two different 4-door models (and any differences in interior storage as well).
Why did you need a truck before may I ask?
BCab is Regular Cab.. standard and long beds
CCab is Double Cab.. standard and long beds
DCab is CrewMax .. short bed only
Another development that is part of the info embargo officially. From those that have driven it in Indiana and in the recent ride and drives there is a redesign of the wheels and steering that gives this NGT the tightest turning radius in the segment.
CCab is Double Cab.. standard and long beds
DCab is CrewMax .. short bed only"
Well, that explains my confusion. For some silly reason I had interpreted "DCab" as meaning Double Cab, like it has in the past......go figure. :confuse:
Tundra production at TMMTX