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Toyota Camry 2005 Facelift
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http://www.camryman.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1500
I am very interested to see the mechanical changes to the 2005 Camry- hopefully wider availability of side airbags and curtains, VSC, and a few extra HP will be available for the 4s, and I wonder if the LE/XLE V6s will continue with the 3.0L engine, or move to the 3.3L.
~alpha
PS- Host, is there a reason why the requests to change the name of this forum to "2005 Camry" (from the current incorrect name) by me and others have been ignored?
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~alpha
2002 Camry
Frontal Impact:
Driver 5 stars/Passenger 4 stars
Side Impact:
Driver 2 stars/Passenger 5 stars
2003 Camry
Frontal Impact:
Driver 5 stars/Passenger 4 stars
Side Impact:
Driver 3 stars/Passenger 5 stars
2004 Camry
Frontal Impact:
Driver 4 stars/Passenger 4 stars
Side Impact:
Driver 4 stars/Passenger 3 stars
So, for the 2004 model year, in the frontal impact, the driver dummy dropped to 4 stars, despite no engineering changes to the restraint and or frontal structure.
In the side impact, the Driver dummy increase to 4 stars, but the rear passenger dropped AN ENTIRE 2 stars to a 3 star rating. However, I am not aware of any engineering changes to the rear door/and or side beam enginner and construction.
VERY interesting. What gives at NHTSA? I'm not sure why, but the 2004 Camry produced an HIC on the rear dummy that is dangerously high- 999-but I dont believe this is included in the star rating. Odd that the HIC for the rear dummy in the 2002/2003 was in the 470s. (At the time this was not reported on the summary page, but can be still be found on the vehicles detailed and ultra huge PDF file).
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Personally I like the new tail lights better in the Taiwan and Vietnamese Toyota websites. Also the front lights in those sites look more "high class" than the Singapore one.
~alpha
More news.
The end of the 3.0L V6 has been announced at TMMK. Not sure yet as to whether this means sooner or later, but if the 3.0L V6 is offered for 2005, it will be offered along with the 3.3L V6 for the LE and XLE V6s. The SE V6 will likely continue with only the 3.3L used. A 3.5L engine has been announced for use in the 2006 Camry and Avalon. (2006 Avalon due in Spring of 2005, FWIW).
One of the major changes for the 2005 Camry (and short run 2005 Avalon) is that the 5 speed automatic will be standard across the board. No word yet as to upgrades to transmission software further than what has already occured.
The Camry will also have several new colors, one of which is similar to the lightish (bizarre, IMO)blue that was offered on Gen 4 Camrys. I think it was called Constellation Blue, but that may be a different one (I'm trying here...)
To recap, VSC is also expected to be offered on all models, 17 inch wheels will be available at least on the SE V6s, if not others, and the interior is slightly upgraded, with a covered bin where the open area now exists on the lower dash.
~alpha
The Camry upgrades, preliminary, in terms of features and mechanicals/performance, look fairly significant. No confirmed photos yet though.
~alpha
From what Ive read, the issues with the ES300 transmission were more pervasive than the ES330. Also, theres no saying that the unit for the 4 would be tuned the same. When I drove the ES330 in March, I did notice a slightly artificial throttle feeling... but it wasnt anything that would make me write the car off. Indeed, the kickdown from 5th at 40 MPH when accelerator was nailed wasnt the quickest, but it also wasnt the slowest, and overall the passing experience was positive.
~alpha
DRIVE-BY-WIRE
The idea is to remove the mechanical linkages between the controls of a car and the devices that actually do the work. Instead of operating the steering and brakes directly, the controls would send commands to a central computer, which would instruct the car what to do. The great advantage being put forward for this is that the computer is able to make the steering, suspension and brakes work together to give the carbetter handling, especially in bad road conditions, to give better fuel consumption, and to react to emergencies faster than a human driver could. Though the vehicle would look much the same, it would be transformed into what one industry expert calls “a computer network with a car wrapped round it”.
- 5 speed auto for 4 cylinder models
- VSC available for 4 cylinder models
- larger, 17 inch alloys wheels and tires on at least SE V6 which resemble a machine-finish version of the Solaras 17 inch wheel (which has a shiny finish)
- covered center console bin (as compared to open on current)
- Optitron instrumentation on all models
- new light clusters within current design style of headlights
- new grille and front bumper
- new light clusters within current design style of taillights
- 3.3L V6 available on Camry LE and Camry XLE (as compared to just SE currently)
- new steering wheel design with audio controls
- rear seat gets center headrest
- cassette player removed (optional?)
- HVAC/audio controls look different
- new exterior colors (2 or 3)
- Tire Pressure Warning System
- slightly different luggage lid
- XM Radio ??? (available now on the Camry Solara)
- no HID headlights (expected on the 07 Camry)
Production of the 05 Camry begins July 6,2004 (according to someone else)
~alpha
http://editorial.carsales.com.au/mellor/mellor.nsf/story2/A7D063A- 774581D2BCA256E99002E567E
The sites Australian so the ES300 = ES330 in US
I am very tempted to buy the 04 or 05 SE V6, but with gas prices soaring I just can't decide. Dealer has quoted me an Internet price of $21,588, plus tax and license.
Do you think it's worth waiting for the 05 model? Any websites I can go to that have pictures of the new 2005 Camry? (above links didn't work.)
Thank you.
http://www.u-car.com.tw/model-images/NC-a75b1345-1897L.jpg
We plan to wait for the 05, new features like Optitron instrumentation, covered center bin, audio controls in the steering wheel, better looking taillights (we can wait 2 more months for that)
~alpha
Regular unleaded is recommended for the Accord, but you can also use premium.
BTW, the discussions in these forums have been very helpful in deciding our next car.
However, heres something worth considering: Toyota is running a special $1000 Recent Grad Rebate from now until Aug 31st. If its available on the 2005 Camry, and it just might be, you may be able to save quite a few dollars.
IMO, if you want the latest and greatest, it seems as though the 2005 will offer a fairly significant upgrade from the 2004, especially in so far as Toyota mid-cycle refreshes are concerned. However, if money is a real issue, and your budget is constrained, it would be VERY worth it to cash in on the current rebates/financing in your area.
~alpha
Are you positive that the 3.3L engine will be available for the LE and XLE? My dealer told me they haven't heard any such things. Knowing Toyota, I wouldn't be surprised if they back out at the last moment. I just visited Toyota's website. Their nomenclature is kind of confusing. Apparently for 4 cylinder Camrys, STANDARD/LE/LIMITED EDITION all refers to the same car. Whereas for V6 there are no STANDARD or LIMITED EDITION MODEL.
Im not sure what you mean that the Standard/LE/Limited edition are the same car. They're trim lines. The SE and XLE are the same basic car as well- a Camry.
The current Camry line-up includes:
Standard 2.4L 5M and 4A
LE 2.4L 5M and 4A
SE 2.4L 5M and 4A
XLE 2.4L 4A
LE V6 3.0L 5A
SE V6 3.3L 5A
XLE V6 3.0L 5A.
Hope that helps. For 2005, the four cylinders will be going to a 5 speed auto, for what its worth, but the above is what is available right now.
~alpha
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