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Maserati Quattroporte 2005+

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  • vk00vk00 Posts: 23
    It might be that the participants of this message board are not a statistically correct representation of all QP owners. After all, if your car does not have any problems, why would you spend your time here? But here is my contribution.

    My QP is now 13 months old, and I have 14K miles on it. The main problems that I had were related to the battery and the clutch (both were replaced about 6 months ago). There were several smaller ones, none of them urgent, and they were all resolved when I was bringing the car to the dealership for regular service.

    The only one that is still not resolved is the climate control system. When it is cold outside and the climate system is set on "full auto," the speed of the fan is sometimes so high that I cannot hear the radio. The mechanics dealt with it three times without any luck. Finally I gave up and started setting the fan speed manually (When you cannot find a bug, call it "a feature"). Besides, it is warm now and it behaves fine anyway.

    The service is excellent. The dealer normally picks up a car from my house and brings it back couple of days later. If I need a car during this period, they would give a loaner, but in that case I would have to drive to the dealership myself.

    I also had a bad experience with the summer tires during the snow storm in February. I decided to buy winter tires, but cannot tell you the results because there was no snow since then, and now it is time to switch back.

    The seat is very comfortable: I had several 4-5 hour trips last summer, and could easily make them without a single stop.

    In summary, I am very happy with the car. Of course, I do not plan to keep it beyond the 3-year warranty period. But I very well may trade it in for a new one just before the warranty expires..
  • merc1merc1 Posts: 6,081
    Very interesting reading here. I'm curious to know what you'll replace your Quattroporte with after the warranty runs out?

    M
  • paxtonkpaxtonk Posts: 49
    "In summary, I am very happy with the car. Of course, I do not plan to keep it beyond the 3-year warranty period. But I very well may trade it in for a new one just before the warranty expires.. "

    I would say he plans to get another QP. Not owning one I don't have a history to tell but I was fortunate enough to drive one for a few days and must say it is far superior to any 4 door I have ever driven.
  • vk00vk00 Posts: 23
    If the second year and another 15K do not result in any disaster, I will definitely consider buying another QP. I certainly like QP much more than other cars in this class. I also hope that some of the bugs will be cleaned out, and that will make QP even more attractive.
  • merc1merc1 Posts: 6,081
    I see. Everyone here seems to love this car no matter what happens with it. That says something. Maybe one day I'll get a chance to drive one and see what all the love is about.

    Did anyone here consider the new M5 before buying the Quattroporte?

    M
  • jjvincejjvince Posts: 1
    I am fortunate enough to have a 2006 Quattroporte along with a 2005 Gransport. Both cars are an absolute dream, and I have had no trouble (with the exception of a new battery in the Gransport... covered by the warranty). My neighbor has a New 2006 M5 and I must say it is a beautiful car and it exhibits the same power curve (once you figure out how to put the computer in high power mode) that my 2004 S55 did. As for the interior... well, as nice as his M5 is, I'd take the QP any day!

    I almost purchased a Flying Spur, I had my 5k deposit down and everything until I drove the QP... I was sold on the first drive. To me it is (almost) as luxurious as the Flying Spur, but handles so much better there is really no comparison. So I guess my point is that there are trade offs in every car you buy, and it all boils down to what you want in an automobile. By the way, My Gransport will take the M5 off the line every time, (even with his power launch) but he does have the power to blow by me at around 95mph, but then I pass him by like he's standing still when we exceed his speed limiter at 150mph... (the 210 fwy at 6:30 - 7am on a Sunday, during the Highway Patrol's shift change is the place to be) for the most part we were the only cars on the road, until around 7, then I had to back off from 180mph (and still not peaked out) because there were a few too many cars on the road to insure the safety for all concerned.

    Resale???? Who knows... Maintenance??? My S55 was the loneliest car I ever had, by that I mean it constantly needed the companionship of its brothers and sisters at the dealership... (Penske Motorcars) Not to mention any names of course...

    If you want a rocket ship, buy a Nobel (0 to 60 in 3.2 seconds) If you want the ULTIMATE in Luxury... get a Bentley (Flying Spur or Arnage)... If you want a great compromise between the two, power, handling and luxury... There is only ONE selection in my book... the Quattroporte is phenomenal!

    Just my 2 cents...

    John
  • Two Maseratis in the garage deserves congratulations, not rebuke.

    However, I do have to take a little issue with what appears to be overly enthusiastic performance claims. Over the last several weeks, I have driven a variety of cars in order to confirm my decision to order a 2007 997 Turbo. Amoung them, I drove a well broken-in Maserati Gransport extensively. I own a 2003 M5 (the 400 hp weakling, but with the proper 6-speed manual) and have also driven the new M5 with it's 507 hp V10 hooked up to a rather frustrating 7-speed SMG. And I have driven a new 911S extensively.

    The following are my opinions: I liked the Gransport more than I expected, it is a very nice car in all regards. But it did not feel nearly as quick "off the line" in my hands as a 911S. The new M5 should be quicker yet, but I would agree, the SMG "launch control" is a mess. On one attempt, it shot forward like a rocket. But for the rest of my driving experience, I wished I could have "shot" the BMW engineer that authored this SMG travesty. My own 2003 M5 6-speed feels about as quick as the Gransport.

    Being curious as to how you and I could have such different impressions / experiences, I looked up some road tests to see if I was mis-impressed. It appears not. Here are some results:

    Road Tests

    Maserati GS: 0-60: 4.9; 0-100: 11.7
    BMW M5: 0-60: 4.6; 0-100: 9.8
    Porsche 911S: 0-60: 4.2; 0-100: 10.7
    My 2003 M5: 0-60: 4.8; 0-100: 11.6 (from Road and Tack)

    It is kind of silly debating the relative quickness of cars that are all more than adequately fast, but the above results are pretty close to my own (relative) experience.

    The Gransport and AM V8 appear to be destined to a Mexican showdown. Very similar performance, top of the line interiors. Italian vs. English appeal. :D
  • murrayrmurrayr Posts: 7
    You ARE fortunate. There is no doubt providence smiles kindly on many people. While I've owned a number of Porsches and BMW, this was my first venture into the quasi-exotic field. The Q is supposedly being upgraded in 07 with a new transmission and larger clutch.

    I am told by a reliable source that the Q's clutch is simply too small for the design of the car. I have just delivered my car to the dealer for the fourth (not yet documented, but I am sure) major service and if my ears heard what I've heard before, still another throw-out bearing and clutch.

    Hears how to tell yours might be bad. Face the car up and incline and accelerate (doesn't have to be pedal to the metal) and listen for a rubbing noise an instant before the clutch grabs. If yours has none, you've won the Maserati lottery.

    Best of luck. By the way, keep it for a while, trade in will disappoint.
  • mickylmickyl Posts: 14
    Hi, I am a prospective buyer of Maserati QP and have been doing my usual research and I came across this discussion, which I have found to be very helpful. I do have a question for you gentlemen and/or ladies here. Currently, I see the Maserati manufacturer is running a lease program. In light of the problems, especially with the clutch and bearing of the car, would you suggest that I lease it for now? Any suggestion is welcome.

    Also, should I wait for 2007 in hopes that the manufacturer will fit a larger clutch for this car? Plus, I hear that the manufacturer will scrap the manual transmission all together. Is that for fact that they will do that?

    Mike
  • paxtonkpaxtonk Posts: 49
    First off I need to tell you that I am a Salesman for a Ferrari / Maserati dealer which means I am slightly bias.

    This is the first we have seen Maserati release a subvented money factor for the QP, this plus the fact they are forcing dealers to discount the car a few thousand is how you get to the lease special. In the past the lease didn't make much sense and most were financed without the dealer having to discount much if any.

    If you can live with the 10k per year then I would opt for the lease as I see it as an insurance policy. What I mean by this is that if the car's value is less than the residual at the end of the lease you can turn it in, if the car's value is higher than the residual then you have the option to purchase it and do as you like.

    The funny thing is that you get a forced discount with the lease but if you plan to finance or pay cash a dealer would not be so inclined to offer the same discount.

    From what I have been told east cost sales have been slightly sluggish and this is why the lease was introduced which in turn is effecting the west coast dealers by forcing them to discount when in the past they typically didn't need to.

    You probably will not see the new full automatic until 2008. The 2007 model will only be getting bigger brakes from what I have heard.

    If I haven't answered all your questions please ask again.

    PRK
  • mickylmickyl Posts: 14
    Thanks, PRK, for your detailed explanation. I have told my sales advisor that I am having a civil war raging on internally between my passion for the car and my logical thinking going against it.

    I would love to ask you more questions about the quality of the car, which is one of my main concerns. Short of putting you under oath (just kidding), could you tell me what you think of the quality of the car? I have heard so much about the clutch problem, which suggests that it gets blown apart within 10,000 miles? Could you confirm that?

    Also, I am currently driving a CLK430 convertible and would like to know if I should trade it in or keep it?

    Thanks.
  • drwag1drwag1 Posts: 7
    After 7 month and 15000 kilometers driving QP no problems and have a lot of fun.
    drwagn :) :) :)
  • murrayrmurrayr Posts: 7
    Sorry to be a spoil sport, but I'd pass for now. After owning two Qs and legnthy discussions with service folks, I am convinced there is a design flaw in the current transmission/engine arrangement. That aside, the technology also lags in this car. The GPS is "ok", but far below that in the other luxury cars. Also there is no blue tooth technology for linking your cell, which is as much an indication as an annoyance.

    My second Q has had transmission and computer problems to the point I am seeking a settlement with the company. The dealers are great and passionate about this product. And your instincts are correct, it SHOULD be a car to be passionate about. Unless you have several other cars and can tolerate the disappointment; look elsewhere.
  • mickylmickyl Posts: 14
    Thank you very much, Murray, for your honest and direct opinion. I found your input to be very helpful in my decision of giving up Maserati for now. I will go with MB S550, until such time when Maserati improves its quality. I certainly don't want my passion for a car to erode my demand for quality. I just do not wish to believe that beauty and quality cannot co-exist. Maserati will need to do better or they will be facing the same demise as before.

    Thanks again.
  • gekko2gekko2 Posts: 87
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    This car looked GREAT on Season 2 of "Entourage". Sad to hear that such a beautiful and $100K+ car has so many technology/reliabilty/quality issues.

    Best wishes all and Happy 4th!!!
  • murrayrmurrayr Posts: 7
    Hi. I actually have exactly that color combination. In my on-going saga, I just returned from a brief trip to LA only to have the check engine light come on again. This with the probable need for still another throw-out bearing, puts the car over the top for me.

    Anyone want a super deal on a used......
  • gekko2gekko2 Posts: 87
    murray - that's a sin for a $50K car let alone a $100K+ car. this is why i stick with my boring but bulletproof Lexus, despite my Italian heritage!

    GOOD LUCK!
  • bdeblancbdeblanc Posts: 1
    Hello: I'm researching whether to purchase or possibly lease a maserati. Before I get myself completely attached I need to know: does owning a masarati mean that you are going to spend a fortune in maintenance and upkeep? Ie. does it cost hundreds of dollars for a simple 3000 mile oil change? I would expect it to be a bit more than the local Jiffy Lube's prices, but would appreciate any info. or guidance. Thanks!
  • murrayrmurrayr Posts: 7
    Dear bdeblanc the oil and lube are the least of your worries. I just had my 4th transmission fix in two Qs. Maserati has taken the low road by announcing they will not cover the replacement of a clutch in this car and the dealers do not disclose that this is a wear item. No, it's not an automatic transmission.

    If you can spare 2400 every 5-10k miles, you can afford the oil.

    Have you seen the Aston Martin Vantage?

    You are quite welcome,,,,,
  • Hi all,

    I'm glad this message board is going on strong.

    I have a few questions and concerns.

    I own a 2005 Q and have only 4500 miles on it. Well, it's at the dealer now and they're telling me I need new tires on the rear. For godsake I only drive it on average 8 miles a day and with day to day speeds not exceeding 40 mph. What is going on here? Is there a better tire choice than whats on it stock? What have your dealers/service people told you about the tires? I've seen people complain about having to replace it at 8-12k miles. I would love to have that much mileage before needing replacement. I don't drive it hard and I don't do burnouts.

    Thank you all in advance,

    John B.
  • paxtonkpaxtonk Posts: 49
    I can't speak for all dealers but the following is an example:

    6,000 mile service $659
    18,000 miles service $1,086
    31,000 miles ervice $1,794

    1st year - $856
    2nd year - $1,105
    3rd year - $1,202

    Example, you drive 6,000 miles in 1st year your cost would be $659 + $856.

    Hope this helps.
  • vk00vk00 Posts: 23
    I had around 11K miles when I replaced the rear tires. The front ones were still good at that time. I heard that this is a typical milage for any high-performance tires.
  • Thanks,

    What type of tires come on the Q stock? Pirelli Rossos? I don't know because mine is in the shop. Also what other tires are good that will last longer for the 19" wheels? Thank you
  • drwag1drwag1 Posts: 7
    Even on very plain roads my QP is driving a little bit to the right. Everyone have the same problem and what will be the solution?
    Thanks,
    drwag
  • vk00vk00 Posts: 23
    Yes, they are Pirelli Rossos. Sorry for the delay: I missed your question.
  • jb7227jb7227 Posts: 86
    Anyone purchased a QP within the last few weeks? Just test drove a Nero base sedan today - what a ride. Was considering the AM V8 coupe...no more. Curious to see what others have paid. The subvented lease program that Maserati is offering thru the end of the month was an attraction. MSRP $ 116,215 - they came down to $ 110,500. Should I be looking for more? Lease for 36 months/10K/yr (including tax) was around $ 2,100, with no money down and no security deposit. Spoke with a client who used to be a dealer in the 1980's Biturbo-era - said that there is around $ 25K markup in the car. My local dealer had 5 '06's and 2 '07's. DuoSelect is unbelievable - I figure it would take me about a month to drive it smoothly. I was surprised at the amount of low-end torque on the car. Any help on the price issue would be appreciated! I really want this car!!
  • paxtonkpaxtonk Posts: 49
    Not $25k, maximum difference between msrp and invoice is about $12-13 depending on MSRP. Sounds like your dealer has a few which means they aren't moving quickly and they are probably looking to sell the 2006's they have before more of the 2007's begin to arrive. Where are you located that they have so many?
  • 07burb07burb Posts: 2
    Boston area. I spoke with a client/dealer who told me at the auctions, he saw an average mileage (12-15k) 05 going for around 77K. 06's were around 80-83K. I believe the warranty is 4 yr/50, which makes getting an 05 or used 06 model not such a dicey proposition. Saving $30,000 in depreciation buying preowned could pay for more than a few repairs. Im going back and forth on it....do I get a new 06 for the "new" factor, or try to find one at auction. Obivously, buying new doesn't make sense from a financial standpoint, but to take a $25-30,000 haircut when you drive it off the lot (even when you can afford a $100K plus car) is unsettling. I'm not considering any other make/model. Any thoughts out there?
  • paxtonkpaxtonk Posts: 49
    If you don't mind having your car in service a bit or you only plan to drive it during the weekends then go ahead with the 2005. The problem with getting these cars from the auction is you don't know what kind of condition it is in, ask yourself why would this almost brand new 2006 be at an auction? We are paying around $10k under invoice for a pre-owned 2006 from a previous customer not auction.
  • Here's the problem. With Maserati not supporting the clutch, it's a 3k crap shoot every 6-8k miles.

    As stated before, they took back my first and put two clutches and a 'torque tube' (driveshaft in this.

    Yes it looks great and, when problem free runs as well as any sports car. Would I do it again, probably not worth the hassle.

    Look at the new four door Aston Martin....
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