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Mercedes-Benz: Future Models

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  • merc1merc1 Posts: 6,081
    I doubt it. MBUSA seems to have sworn off entry level engines in the SL and other high-end models for good. There won't ever be a CLS350 or S350 either for the U.S. market it seems. I can see a S320 CDI being sold here, but a "regular" V6 S/SL nope.

    I personally wouldn't mind seeing a CLK280 or E280 with the smaller 3L 228hp V6. BMW sells plenty of 525is without a problem.

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  • merc1merc1 Posts: 6,081
    The recently introduced 3.5L V6 now has direct-injection. In short 292hp/270lb-bt of torque/26 MPG, 288hp for the U.S. market conversion. We should see this engine late this year for the facelifted 2007 E350 and as always the ML350,R350,CLK350, and SLK350 will all get this engine sooner or later, but probably sooner. For the 2007 model year on some of these would be my guess.

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  • last fall the plan was to make the S350 available here in the US.

    I think both the S350 and the SL350 would sell well in the USA.

    It must be an image thing for MBUSA that keeps the entry models out.
  • merc1merc1 Posts: 6,081
    Oh yes, definitely an image thing as to why the new S350 or SL350 won't be sold here. Also, I think MBUSA was tired of seeing those V6 models losing comparison tests because they were down on power which of course they were being in an all V8 segment.

    I personally think there is a good market for a SL350 or a S350. Not everyone wants a V8 or loads of hp, just adequate power with all the other luxuries a SL/S-Class provides. The W140 S320 (1992-1999) made up 40 percent of the S-Class sales in the U.S. during some of those years so I've read. I wish I could see the numbers on how many 2006 S350s were sold. Anytime the dealer had any they'd be gone in a week or so.

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  • merc1merc1 Posts: 6,081
    The doors for the Geneva Auto Show are about to open, press days are going on now. Of course this is always a big show for Mercedes-Benz.

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    CLK63 AMG

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    CLS63 AMG

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    Face-lifted SL

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    GL-Class

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    Word is now that the facelifted E-Class will be shown in New York in April and the new CL right after that in May.

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  • merc1merc1 Posts: 6,081
    It looks like most of the new AMG hardware is coming in the June-July timeframe, just right for the CLK63 Cabriolet IMO.

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  • merc1merc1 Posts: 6,081
    It seems America likes the new S-Class, at 3360 units sold for Feb, more than the E or C-Class! Yikes!

    The R-Class moved a much more respectable number of 2469 units in Feb.

    The M-Class sold 2155 units, way up over Feb 2005.

    Sales for the month of Feb were up 28 percent over Feb 2005. The numbers are being posted by the S,CLK,M and R-Class vehicles.

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    The E-Class seems to be dying off pretty fast awaiting that June/July on-sale date for facelifted model. Either that or production has slowed for changeover. Ditto for the C-Class which appears to have a replacement scheduled for fall this year in Europe and this time next year in the U.S.

    The facelifted SL and new GL are due in April. The AMG cars talked about earlier in the thread are due in June/July.

    I suspect a re-packaged R-Class will come along around June/July also as will the new V8 engines for the CLS,R,ML and CLK "550" models.

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  • wopelwopel Posts: 92
    Can you tell us anything about the "suspected" re-packaged R-Class? While I'm asking about the R-Class, I see the GL will have a 320cdi - do you think the R might get that soon?
    What is Bluetec?
    Thanks.
  • merc1merc1 Posts: 6,081
    Well there a couple of Benz salespeople that chime in on the R-Class board from time to time that have hinted that a major re-shuffle of the R-Class' standard/optional equipment is on tap for the 2007 model year. This would be in repsonse to slow R-Class sales. Just a guess at this point.

    Yes I have read (Automobile Magazine) that a R320 CDI will show up here before the end of the year. The ML320 CDI is a definite. Since the ML and R share so much I would think a R320 CDI would be a no-brainer. It certainly couldn't hurt with the R-Class sales, which are either way up or way down depending on which month you look at. There have been various interviews online with MB officials that always drop little hints about upcoming products, like the GL320 and R320.

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    Bluetec is Mercedes' new clean diesel technology which they say will allow them to sell disels in two of Mercedes' biggest U.S. markets, New York and Cali. They claim it is the cleanest diesel in the world.

    Purely speculative on my part, I think we'll get a total of 5 diesel models in the next year: ML320, E320, R320, GL320, and maybe even a S320. If all goes well I suspect we'll even get diesel version of the C-Class for 2008, which will be an all new car for 2008.

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  • merc1merc1 Posts: 6,081
    This was posted earlier on MBWorld.org for the 2007 ML. If this information is accurate it appears they have re-structured the option packages/standard equipment for the 2007 ML. I would expect the same for the 2007 R-Class. The post below:

    There are also now 3 option packages ranging from $2800 to $8675.

    P1 Package: Electric sunroof, rain sensing wipers, power lift gate, harmon/kardon Logic 7 system, Sirius satellite radio, hands free communication system, Teleaid & Homelink - $3500 ML350/ML320, $2800 ML500

    P2 Package: Includes P1, plus DVD navigation, Auto-dimming mirror, power folding mirrors, rear-view camera, power steering column and memory seat function - $6500 ML350/ML320, $5800 ML500

    P3 Package: Includes P1 & P2, plus Air suspension, Active damping shocks, parameter steering, 3-zone climate control, infared glass, rear seat controls, cargo management system, cargo net - $9000 ML350/ML320, $8675 ML500

    There are four other Code packages (1) Exterior appearance (2) AMG Sport (3) Rear seat entertainment (4) Heating package

    Then, there about 17 stand alone options.

    The ML63 comes very loaded with all 3 option packages standard. Very few options are available for it. It even comes with 20" wheels.


    Curiously though the poster says that the ML500 stays the same for 2007. No new 4.6L or 5.5L V8. That part doesn't add up IMO. No way they're going to have all new V8s in everything else and leave out the ML.

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  • scott1256scott1256 Posts: 531
    Thanks for the sales figures on the W140 S320.

    I believe the former 300 SL sold very well too while it was offered.

    For at least a few model years (1990-1993?)the 300 SL was also available with a manual transmission.
  • rockypaulrockypaul Posts: 104
    Any word on whether the E class for 2007 to be introduced in July will have the new V-8?
    More importantly for me is will it be available at intro in the 4-Matic Wagon?
  • merc1merc1 Posts: 6,081
    Talk about a rare car, the R129 300SL/SL320. From 1990-1997 I think I may have seen about 7. Yes some were sold with a manual tranny, an ever rarer specimen. The introduction of the SLK in 1997 killed the SL320 in our market.

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  • merc1merc1 Posts: 6,081
    All of that should be revealed at the New York auto show next month. The face-lifted E is supposed to be shown then. An E550 sedan and wagon are a given though! Since the current E500 wagon comes in 4Matic guise only I can't see why the new E550 wagon wouldn't. What I'm waiting to see if MBUSA will do the smart thing and bring over the E320CDI with optional 4Matic. A E320CDI Wagon available with 4Matic would be very smart IMO.

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  • rockypaulrockypaul Posts: 104
    I don't know...
    Diesel is way more per gallon than premium gasoline here. The 34-36 mpg on the road diesel vs. my known gas v-8 real world mpg always over 20 and up to 28 road mpg makes me still hesitant on number 2 oil.

    Also, I have many road miles and gas guzzeler tax receipts that I find have not held up to the light in my real world driving. My mpg has always far exceded the EPA combined.
  • scott1256scott1256 Posts: 531
    Diesel fuel has been as much as 50% more expensive than unleaded over the last year.

    This makes diesel cars a questionable value considering the high initial cost of a compression ignition engine.
  • once_for_allonce_for_all Posts: 1,640
    right now, diesel is less than premium here (Fresno, California).

    John
  • merc1merc1 Posts: 6,081
    The 2007 E-Class looks like it will be shown at the New York Auto Show next month.

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    The article mentions the no-brainer E500 (our E550) getting the new 5.5L V8 from the S550, but it also says the E350 gets a "slight" power increase.

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  • scott1256scott1256 Posts: 531
    magazine yesterday and there was an S class ad in it.

    The Forbes ad head line says "You're not buying a car. You're buying a belief". About half the ad goes on about history, past glory, 1886 cars, etc.

    Not once do they ask the reader for his/her business. Not a single mention of efforts being made to improve quality and reliablity.

    The ad did not strike the right note for me. If anyone else sees it I would be interested in their take.
  • rcf8000rcf8000 Posts: 619
    Here's my take: Mercedes wants you to think about image. They don't want to remind you of their quality and reliability problems. Makes sense to me.
  • merc1merc1 Posts: 6,081
    Not once do they ask the reader for his/her business. Not a single mention of efforts being made to improve quality and reliablity.

    No one but GM is silly enough to put an add out saying that their quality has lapsed or needs improving. I would never expect that from Mercedes or any other luxury marque.

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  • scott1256scott1256 Posts: 531
    suggest mentioning past problems in advertising, Merc1.

    My point is that this ad does nothing to win back people who might be a bit skeptical about MB after the rumors (some based on facts, I admit) that have been circulated over the past 5-7 years.

    The ad doesn't stress the quality and reliability of the new S class. It does not point out to the consumer all the reasons why they should spend money at the MB dealer rather than at Lexus or BMW.

    The way the S is selling now it may be a moot point. I want to see MB get serious about taking the market back.
  • merc1merc1 Posts: 6,081
    My point is that this ad does nothing to win back people who might be a bit skeptical about MB after the rumors (some based on facts, I admit) that have been circulated over the past 5-7 years.

    Well that would kinda be the same thing. They simply can't mention or let on about any recent quality problems, it would be marketing/image suicide.

    I want to see MB get serious about taking the market back.

    With all the new product introduced in 2005 and whats coming this year I think they are. So far just from reading various mesg boards the newer Benzes like the M/R/CLS and even the facelifted C-Class *seem* to be a lot less problematic than previous cars. It will be a slow painful process as far as the perception about MB quality to those who know about it and a even harder task to convince those that were burned before.

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  • ecorraecorra Posts: 1
    Speaking of SLs, will the SL550 be available with the S-Class's distronic and back-up cam or will wehave for a total redesign?
    thanks
  • anthonypanthonyp Posts: 1,857
    Merc--These first three photos really bring back memories..There were some guys that had welthy parents that got them the first car pictured..(the gull wing doors were not as popular at the time) I don`t remember but it may have been back in the fifties....You would have loved being alive back then, as we all could work on our cars as they were really understandable, and everyone was a `nut`..There was a guy from upstate named Rentrow(sp) very wealthy who had a couple oc sleek cars designed for him--called Rentrow(sp) He also had the Ferrari factory behind him and was quite an accomplished racer...Those were my glory days...Then women came into the picture in a big way, and I had to go earn a living..Thanks for the pictures Tony
  • akinakin Posts: 24
    Where can I find out what the monthly sales figures are for the R Class? Is there a site that post that stuff?
  • merc1merc1 Posts: 6,081
    Well I can't see why you would need a back up cam on the SL, but no it won't be on the 2007 SL nor will the S550's newer version of Distronic. The next SL of course will get these features no doubt, IMO. That might not be until 2010-11.

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  • merc1merc1 Posts: 6,081
    Well sales of the R-Class so far:

    2005:
    Sept - 386 (went on sale mid-month)
    Oct - 930
    Nov - 1213
    Dec - 2430

    2006:
    Jan - 686
    Feb - 2469

    There are many sources to get this info.

    eMercedesBenz
    Automotive News

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  • merc1merc1 Posts: 6,081
    Well the SL is still a little different from other Benz models in that it has a longer production run. There have only been 3 SLs during my lifetime, and the oldest of those last 3 was on sale before I was born!

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