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Mercedes-Benz: Future Models

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  • rcf8000rcf8000 Posts: 619
    Here's my take: Mercedes wants you to think about image. They don't want to remind you of their quality and reliability problems. Makes sense to me.
  • merc1merc1 Posts: 6,081
    Not once do they ask the reader for his/her business. Not a single mention of efforts being made to improve quality and reliablity.

    No one but GM is silly enough to put an add out saying that their quality has lapsed or needs improving. I would never expect that from Mercedes or any other luxury marque.

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  • scott1256scott1256 Posts: 531
    suggest mentioning past problems in advertising, Merc1.

    My point is that this ad does nothing to win back people who might be a bit skeptical about MB after the rumors (some based on facts, I admit) that have been circulated over the past 5-7 years.

    The ad doesn't stress the quality and reliability of the new S class. It does not point out to the consumer all the reasons why they should spend money at the MB dealer rather than at Lexus or BMW.

    The way the S is selling now it may be a moot point. I want to see MB get serious about taking the market back.
  • merc1merc1 Posts: 6,081
    My point is that this ad does nothing to win back people who might be a bit skeptical about MB after the rumors (some based on facts, I admit) that have been circulated over the past 5-7 years.

    Well that would kinda be the same thing. They simply can't mention or let on about any recent quality problems, it would be marketing/image suicide.

    I want to see MB get serious about taking the market back.

    With all the new product introduced in 2005 and whats coming this year I think they are. So far just from reading various mesg boards the newer Benzes like the M/R/CLS and even the facelifted C-Class *seem* to be a lot less problematic than previous cars. It will be a slow painful process as far as the perception about MB quality to those who know about it and a even harder task to convince those that were burned before.

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  • ecorraecorra Posts: 1
    Speaking of SLs, will the SL550 be available with the S-Class's distronic and back-up cam or will wehave for a total redesign?
    thanks
  • anthonypanthonyp Posts: 1,857
    Merc--These first three photos really bring back memories..There were some guys that had welthy parents that got them the first car pictured..(the gull wing doors were not as popular at the time) I don`t remember but it may have been back in the fifties....You would have loved being alive back then, as we all could work on our cars as they were really understandable, and everyone was a `nut`..There was a guy from upstate named Rentrow(sp) very wealthy who had a couple oc sleek cars designed for him--called Rentrow(sp) He also had the Ferrari factory behind him and was quite an accomplished racer...Those were my glory days...Then women came into the picture in a big way, and I had to go earn a living..Thanks for the pictures Tony
  • akinakin Posts: 24
    Where can I find out what the monthly sales figures are for the R Class? Is there a site that post that stuff?
  • merc1merc1 Posts: 6,081
    Well I can't see why you would need a back up cam on the SL, but no it won't be on the 2007 SL nor will the S550's newer version of Distronic. The next SL of course will get these features no doubt, IMO. That might not be until 2010-11.

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  • merc1merc1 Posts: 6,081
    Well sales of the R-Class so far:

    2005:
    Sept - 386 (went on sale mid-month)
    Oct - 930
    Nov - 1213
    Dec - 2430

    2006:
    Jan - 686
    Feb - 2469

    There are many sources to get this info.

    eMercedesBenz
    Automotive News

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  • merc1merc1 Posts: 6,081
    Well the SL is still a little different from other Benz models in that it has a longer production run. There have only been 3 SLs during my lifetime, and the oldest of those last 3 was on sale before I was born!

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  • scott1256scott1256 Posts: 531
    Newport Engineering in Placentia, California has built top line convertibles for many years. They are now offering open versions of the Maybach 62 and RR Phantom.

    Talk about massive ragtops! It looks like there is a market for anything. First link is for the Maybach, second for the Phantom.

    http://www.newportconvertible.com/Detail.tpl?rnd=111&cart=11082773894331708&sku=- - - - 107592474313380200

    http://www.newportconvertible.com/Detail.tpl?rnd=6252&cart=11430825393311708&sku- - - - =1063920620712947
  • scott1256scott1256 Posts: 531
    for MB: over 21,000 vehicles.

    18% ahead of March, 2005.

    I expect the fresh face on the E this fall and and having more S cars in dealer stock will help sales as well.
  • merc1merc1 Posts: 6,081
    Dare I say anything about MB's start this year, don't want jinx it.

    Yes the revised E (July), SL (April), new GL (April) and continued sales of the M and S-Classes should give a huge boost to sales numbers in coming months.

    Not sure why the CLK is on fire, but it is and that is before the CLK550 and CLK63 models coming in July/August.

    There there are the R/ML/GL 320 CDI models all coming in the Sept-Oct timeframe. The CLS550, CLS63 AMG, ML/R 450/550 should all be here in July/August.

    I am surprised that 2nd year SLK is dropping somewhat, supply problem?

    March 2006 Sales

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  • scott1256scott1256 Posts: 531
    to talk about good sales, but it's more than that. MB is back on track with great new models: build quality (if the rumor mill is right)is much improved in the 06s also.

    The CDI models should sell well this fall depending on what price premium MB charges for a diesel. The E should get back to the 4-5,000 unit per month mark again by the end of the year.

    I am not sure why the SLK is sliding either (-21.6% ytd). Perhaps the 4 seat SLK cabrio is more practical at a similar price. Maybe some perceive the SLK price premium over lower cost roadsters like the S2000, Miata, Solstice, etc. as a little steep.
  • merc1merc1 Posts: 6,081
    Well I think they've already shaken off the build quality complaints with the newer models like the SLK, CLS and now the S-Class. ALl have much better interiors than before, and in the case of the CLS a real upgrade from the E-Class on which it is based. Though the E is hardly bad having improved greatly over the previous E.

    I'm guessing the SLK will pick up this month being the time in which many previously frozen parts of the U.S. really thaw out. I can't see the CLK making a dent in SLK sales. As far as the S2000, Solstice and Miata I doubt many people cross-shop those with a Benz, but then again people cross show all types of cars nowadays. :confuse:

    There is some confusion about the diesels it seems. The ML320, R320 and GL320 are supposed to all arrrive this fall, but only in the same 45 states as the current E320 is sold in. The new "Bluetec" versions don't arrive until the 2008 model year it seems, which means summer of 2007. Not sure yet.

    Also on boards like MB.ord some are saying that the ML500 keeps the old 5L V8 for 2007 - I don't believe this for a minute. My prediction - there will be either a ML450 or ML550 for 2007, likely a ML450. Ditto for the R-Class.

    Why the U.S. market isn't getting a GL550 along with the GL450 is a mystery to me too. The GL450 is underpowered compared to the Range Rover SC and Escalade with "only" 335hp. Though it is about 500lbs lighter than both of those.

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  • merc1merc1 Posts: 6,081
    As expected the E500 becomes the E550 with 382hp for the U.S. market and the E320 CDI Bluetec goes on sale this fall in the U.S. according to the press release issued today. No mention of the E350 getting more power yet. There is of course a new AMG model, the E63 with 514hp (about 507hp for the U.S.). The E-Class will be broken into two groups of models in the U.S. market like the C-Class, Luxury and Sport. See this post concerning US specific information on packages/options/models.

    Some pics:

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    E63 AMG:

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    E-Class Sport model:

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  • albellalbell Posts: 185
    Interesting reversal of pricing strategy for MB...adding content while reducing option pricing. Should work wonders for the E. I note that they dropped the E500/550 wagon for '07. Funny, I saw a good number on the streets here in NYC. Probably didn't sell well elsewhere (no surprise.)
  • merc1merc1 Posts: 6,081
    Yeah I'm surprised that they would drop the E500/550 wagon too. Just like you've I've seen plenty of them in and around the Chicago area. On MBWorld.org they're saying that the E550 and E63 wagons will be sold here so we'll just have to wait and see.

    Yes this new strategy for the E should give it the lead over the 5-Series in sales again.

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  • merc1merc1 Posts: 6,081
    More information about the E63 AMG has been released prior to the official reveal of the entire E-Class lineup today.

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    Article

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  • albellalbell Posts: 185
    I would not be surprised to see MB rationalize prices on several lines to address value/content and make the vehicles more competitive vs. the competition and remove some of the intrabrand issues. Somewhere the marketing has gone awry, especially with the R class.
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