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Mercedes-Benz: Future Models

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  • scott1256scott1256 Posts: 531
    Newport Engineering in Placentia, California has built top line convertibles for many years. They are now offering open versions of the Maybach 62 and RR Phantom.

    Talk about massive ragtops! It looks like there is a market for anything. First link is for the Maybach, second for the Phantom.

    http://www.newportconvertible.com/Detail.tpl?rnd=111&cart=11082773894331708&sku=- - - - 107592474313380200

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  • scott1256scott1256 Posts: 531
    for MB: over 21,000 vehicles.

    18% ahead of March, 2005.

    I expect the fresh face on the E this fall and and having more S cars in dealer stock will help sales as well.
  • merc1merc1 Posts: 6,081
    Dare I say anything about MB's start this year, don't want jinx it.

    Yes the revised E (July), SL (April), new GL (April) and continued sales of the M and S-Classes should give a huge boost to sales numbers in coming months.

    Not sure why the CLK is on fire, but it is and that is before the CLK550 and CLK63 models coming in July/August.

    There there are the R/ML/GL 320 CDI models all coming in the Sept-Oct timeframe. The CLS550, CLS63 AMG, ML/R 450/550 should all be here in July/August.

    I am surprised that 2nd year SLK is dropping somewhat, supply problem?

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  • scott1256scott1256 Posts: 531
    to talk about good sales, but it's more than that. MB is back on track with great new models: build quality (if the rumor mill is right)is much improved in the 06s also.

    The CDI models should sell well this fall depending on what price premium MB charges for a diesel. The E should get back to the 4-5,000 unit per month mark again by the end of the year.

    I am not sure why the SLK is sliding either (-21.6% ytd). Perhaps the 4 seat SLK cabrio is more practical at a similar price. Maybe some perceive the SLK price premium over lower cost roadsters like the S2000, Miata, Solstice, etc. as a little steep.
  • merc1merc1 Posts: 6,081
    Well I think they've already shaken off the build quality complaints with the newer models like the SLK, CLS and now the S-Class. ALl have much better interiors than before, and in the case of the CLS a real upgrade from the E-Class on which it is based. Though the E is hardly bad having improved greatly over the previous E.

    I'm guessing the SLK will pick up this month being the time in which many previously frozen parts of the U.S. really thaw out. I can't see the CLK making a dent in SLK sales. As far as the S2000, Solstice and Miata I doubt many people cross-shop those with a Benz, but then again people cross show all types of cars nowadays. :confuse:

    There is some confusion about the diesels it seems. The ML320, R320 and GL320 are supposed to all arrrive this fall, but only in the same 45 states as the current E320 is sold in. The new "Bluetec" versions don't arrive until the 2008 model year it seems, which means summer of 2007. Not sure yet.

    Also on boards like MB.ord some are saying that the ML500 keeps the old 5L V8 for 2007 - I don't believe this for a minute. My prediction - there will be either a ML450 or ML550 for 2007, likely a ML450. Ditto for the R-Class.

    Why the U.S. market isn't getting a GL550 along with the GL450 is a mystery to me too. The GL450 is underpowered compared to the Range Rover SC and Escalade with "only" 335hp. Though it is about 500lbs lighter than both of those.

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  • merc1merc1 Posts: 6,081
    As expected the E500 becomes the E550 with 382hp for the U.S. market and the E320 CDI Bluetec goes on sale this fall in the U.S. according to the press release issued today. No mention of the E350 getting more power yet. There is of course a new AMG model, the E63 with 514hp (about 507hp for the U.S.). The E-Class will be broken into two groups of models in the U.S. market like the C-Class, Luxury and Sport. See this post concerning US specific information on packages/options/models.

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    E63 AMG:

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    E-Class Sport model:

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  • albellalbell Posts: 185
    Interesting reversal of pricing strategy for MB...adding content while reducing option pricing. Should work wonders for the E. I note that they dropped the E500/550 wagon for '07. Funny, I saw a good number on the streets here in NYC. Probably didn't sell well elsewhere (no surprise.)
  • merc1merc1 Posts: 6,081
    Yeah I'm surprised that they would drop the E500/550 wagon too. Just like you've I've seen plenty of them in and around the Chicago area. On MBWorld.org they're saying that the E550 and E63 wagons will be sold here so we'll just have to wait and see.

    Yes this new strategy for the E should give it the lead over the 5-Series in sales again.

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  • merc1merc1 Posts: 6,081
    More information about the E63 AMG has been released prior to the official reveal of the entire E-Class lineup today.

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  • albellalbell Posts: 185
    I would not be surprised to see MB rationalize prices on several lines to address value/content and make the vehicles more competitive vs. the competition and remove some of the intrabrand issues. Somewhere the marketing has gone awry, especially with the R class.
  • merc1merc1 Posts: 6,081
    Well that will be a good thing. If they hold the price on the 2007 E while adding more standard equipment it will only help. I think the Luxury and Sport models will have the same base price too...someone in Jersey is finally getting a clue about pricing.

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  • merc1merc1 Posts: 6,081
    The 2007 SL models go on sale this Saturday it seems. Larger volume dealers should already have them. The GL450 is at dealers now for test drives and it goes on sale officially next week, Wed the 19th I think.

    The 07' E-Class lands in July.

    The new CL is to be shown next month.

    Autospies has their pic gallery up for the NY auto show, the R320 CDI is there so I guess it will really arrive this fall.

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  • qbrozenqbrozen Posts: 17,536
    I hadn't caught this info before, so I was pretty excited to read at the Mercedes booth at the NY auto show today that the ML320 CDI is coming.

    So, any info or projections on gas mileage? I'm thinking a combined average around 26-27 would be real nice to see on a luxo SUV like this.

    '13 Stang GT; '15 Fit; '98 Volvo S70; '14 Town&Country

  • merc1merc1 Posts: 6,081
    Everything I've seen says at 28-30 MPG combined.

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  • qbrozenqbrozen Posts: 17,536
    even better!

    although, considering the ML350 takes about a 5mpg hit compared to the E350, and the E320 cdi gets 27/37 .... well, let's say that I'm certainly not counting on 30 in the diesel ML.

    Still, at 22/32, it would do GREAT on the highway and even that city number rivals my highway number in my current sedan.

    '13 Stang GT; '15 Fit; '98 Volvo S70; '14 Town&Country

  • merc1merc1 Posts: 6,081
    Worldcarfans (in the Germancar section) has a timeline for upcoming Mercedes 2007 (in the U.S.) model introductions.

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    In short:

    USA: ML63 AMG 4MATIC July 2006
    USA: CLS550 September 2006
    USA: CLK63 AMG Cabriolet September 2006
    USA: GL450 4Matic May 2006
    USA: E-Class July 2006
    USA: R320 CDI October 2005 und R63 AMG 4MATIC September 2006

    It appears that the R500 and ML500 keep the ancient SOHC 5L V8! Don't get that at all. :confuse: It also mentions "further" CLK models, read CLK550.

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  • merc1merc1 Posts: 6,081
    The 2007 GL450 has landed I see. The build your own feature is up at MBUSA.

    There should be some type of announcement on the new CL very soon. I'd say sometime in the next couple of weeks or so prior to May 19th, a very big day in Stuttgart!

    Autoweek is reporting that the G-Class' facelift will be shown at the Paris auto show this September.

    The updated SLR "Track Sport" is also rumored to be heading for a Paris debut along with an SLR Roadster.

    Sometime between now and then there should be an announcement about the SLK55 Tracksport. A lightened and stiffened SLK55 AMG with carbon fiber here and there and 400hp from the current 5.5L V8.

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  • merc1merc1 Posts: 6,081
    The only thing is when are the Bluetec versions of the ML,R and GL going on sale in all 50 states. Mercedes is missing out on a lot of sales by not being able to sell diesels in New York, Maine and especially Cali. A GL320 Bluetec would get really good mileage for a vehicle of its size.

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  • merc1merc1 Posts: 6,081
    Sales info for April 2006, up 13 percent compared to April 2005. The S,GL,R,CLK,SLK and to a lesser degree the E-Class all contributed to the gain.

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  • albellalbell Posts: 185
    1600 or so R's is probably not making anyone's day at MB. Given the increasing number that I am seeing, as well as the incentives, I thought it would be more.

    MBUSA does seem to be shooting the lights out otherwise, though.
  • merc1merc1 Posts: 6,081
    True I'm sure they'd like to do about 2K a month, but that isn't going to happen often enough. I expect the GL to do much better.

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  • merc1merc1 Posts: 6,081
    Sales were up 21+ percent for May 2006 vs. May 2005. The S,E,R,SL,SLK and new GL were all responsible for this huge gain.

    Dealers must be giving away 06' E-Classes ahead of the new 07' model arriving at the end of June. The R-Class moved only 1400 or so units, still not up to what MB needs in order to meet their goal of 20K a year. The GL was the surprise, it outsold the ML.

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    Also Mercedes has confirmed their 2007 model lineup. The new CL550 and CL600 arrive at year-end. In the "I don't understand category", the R500, ML500 and G500 keep the old 5L V8 instead of getting the new 5.5L V8. The CLK550 has also been confirmed.

    2007 MB Models

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  • merc1merc1 Posts: 6,081
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    As the only eight-cylinder roadster in its segment the Mercedes-Benz SLK 55 AMG provides unique driving experience. The two-seater is now even more sporty: Mercedes AMG has developed an exclusive and distinctly puristic special series which sets new standards in driving dynamics. With the AMG 5.5-litre V8 engine enhanced to 294 kW/400 hp and 520 Newton metres, numerous lightweight construction components, carbon hardtop, 19-inch AMG forged wheels, AMG height-adjustable torsion sports suspension and AMG high-performance composite brake system the special SLK 55 AMG demonstrates even more convincingly its sports talent – and makes a good figure on any closed course.

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    The only bad news is that this appears to be a Germany-only model.

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  • merc1merc1 Posts: 6,081
    The S65 AMG is now up at MBUSA.com. A hefty $182,275.

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  • merc1merc1 Posts: 6,081
    New or revised for 2007:

    S550, S600, S65 AMG
    CLS550, CLS63 AMG
    E320 Bluetec, E550, E63 AMG
    SL550
    GL450, GL320 Bluetec (early 2007)
    R320 CDI, R63 AMG
    ML320 CDI, ML63 AMG
    CLK550, CLK63 AMG Cabriolet
    CL550, CL600 - all new, more info on these soon.
    G-Class - facelift

    2008 Model Year - A glimpse into the future:

    New C-Class, C350 should get the new direct-injection V6, 292hp. C63 AMG with somewhere over 400hp to combat new RS4 and upcoming V8-powered E90 BMW M3.

    SLK - Facelift, SLK350 gets above engine from new C350 and SLK55 becomes the SLK63 with 440hp.

    The S63, CL63 and SL63 models should be added for 2008 with a turbocharged version of the new AMG 6.2L making around 570hp.

    S320 and E320 Bluetec arrive in 50-state legal form with Adblue.

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  • merc1merc1 Posts: 6,081
    The new CL550 and CL600 have been officially shown:

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  • mikeebearmikeebear Posts: 13
    Perhaps MB created the CLS to put another vehicle in the 65-75k area since the new S class is now up well over 80k, and there were no other vehicles in that price range besides the S-500.

    It says in some places that the backseat window view is poor over-all, and if that's the case, I don't see why MB just didn't make another sedan rather than trying to create some spaceship-like coupe. That might make more of business sense, although having the E and S already should be enough.

    Some of you might suggest to just buy a bigger engine option if you want a vehicle in the 65-75k area, but that doesn't accommodate the consumers who want to pay more for luxury and better over-all vehicle rather than just a more powerful engine.

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    As for the direction of MB? It's clear. You mentioned BMWs and Lexus. BMWs are sports-luxury cars and Lexus has the identity of quiet, family cars. Mercedes is trying to give us both. Not just a sports car, not just a family car, but everything you could want in a car. That's kind of how I view mercedes-benz at this point, and I admit I do like it. They still engineer and design to high standards, they still drive wonderfully and perform wonderfully, and they still live up to their luxurious name.

    I have a BMW and I was not very impressed on how much it compromised on luxury. Power seats didn't even come standard, (something I didn't know until after I got the car lol :lemon:)

    Anyways I still love mercedes-benz and hope to be buying an slk soon!
  • albellalbell Posts: 185
    Whatever other issues they may be having, MB is sure turning out the most handsome cars out there.
  • mikeebearmikeebear Posts: 13
    I love the look of the new CL. The other model looked a little frumpy after a while.
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