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Lincoln Zephyr/MKZ



  • akirbyakirby Posts: 7,622
    I think repeat buyers is THE key to sustained growth and increased market share.

    Think about all those Taurus buyers in the last 10 years who decided they were tired of their Taurus and wanted something new. Gee - the new one looks just like the one I had and has the same features - why would I buy that? I think I'll go buy an Accord or Camry instead, just to get something new.

    That's why the 3 year cycle is so important - it gives the folks who lease or buy new every 3-4 years something different.

    There are a few hundred thousand 2006/2007 FulanZ owners who would probably love to trade for a new one with better FE and Sync.
  • New Buick LaCross/Invicta coming out in the mid 2009 and it may blow away MKZ. It has sexy design inside and out, brand new platform not shared (yet) by other brands. To tell the truth - even Malibu looks more luxirious than MKZ.
  • Lincoln needs to equip the 2010 MKZ with a 3.7 that produces 300-315 hp in order to be competitve with other cars in its segment. This along with a hybrid option in the future should give it even more first time, conquest and reapeat buyers
  • So what do you guys think, Lincoln MKZ ot Acura TL. I need an answer today!
  • akirbyakirby Posts: 7,622
    That depends. 2009 MKZ vs. 2008 TL - close call. Slight edge to MkZ in infotainment (navigation, sync, etc.) but TL gets the nod in styling.

    2009 MKZ vs. 2009 TL - TL loses the styling edge.

    2010 MkZ vs. 2009 TL - no contest. The 2010 MkZ is greatly improved all the way around (but especially the interior) while the 09 TL is downright ugly (to me). MKZ still wins for infotainment. Not sure if it gets any new amenities though.

    So I'd say 2010 MKZ followed by 2008 TL followed by 2009 MKZ with the 2009 TL off the list.
  • gregg_vwgregg_vw Posts: 2,419
    The 09 TL is polarizing will not blend in like the MKZ will. I happen to like the new styling, as it is bold and it looks way better in person than in pictures. The TL will have better resale, but will cost more to buy initially.
  • prigglypriggly Posts: 643
    Lincoln MKZ hands down.
  • Anyone have an idea of what to expect on the 2010? I own an 06 Zephyr and much prefer it's ride quality to that of the MKZ. I test drove the 07 MKZ with the idea of taking advantage of the "new" engine but, was turned off by the ride. Too stiff for me. A while back I was a passenger in a friend's 08 Lexus ES and was very impressed. Very quiet and more richly appointed than the Zeph/MKZ and had a better and more supple ride than my Zeph (which is better than the MKZ). It just felt more upscale as we motored along.
    I think for the MKZ to be truly perceived as upscale, it has to have the ride of a so called luxury car. It's pretty quiet but, I think it falls short in that luxury ride feel. A retuned suspension and taller tires would do wonders. I note the comparable Lexus, Cadillac and Infiniti all come with series 55 tires so, why does the MKZ come with 50s? Best option would be to offer the MKZ with a ride compliant ride and a sport/handling option like Cadillac does with the CTS. This won't happen, though, since Ford seems to be stuck in that "one size fits all" mentality.
  • akirbyakirby Posts: 7,622
    It's always a tradeoff - some want better handling and some want a softer ride. I agree they should offer both options - or at least an option for different wheel and tire sizes. That makes a big difference on the MKS. I'd bet that the 2010 model has options but not sure how much difference there will be.
  • dds010dds010 Posts: 33
    According to the order guide the 2010 lincoln MKZ will have blind spot monitor, a backup camera, selectshift transmission, adaptive headlamps, a split wing grill as well as a interior more in tune with the MKS. Their will also be a optional sport model that has taunter suspension settings. The engine option just says V6 so its not known if it the 3.7 or not.
  • tiger16tiger16 Posts: 54
    Good to hear about the suspension. Always better to have a choice than not to have a choice. However, if the current MKZ suspension becomes the standard suspension with an option for an even stiffer one, I'll be looking elswhere for my 2010. After riding in my friend's ES, I won't accept a ride that doesn't measure up. If I want a taut suspension, low profile tires and "sporty" handling, I'll get a Maxima. That's not what I want from a Lincoln. Soften the suspension and add taller tires for the standard luxury car ride and offer the other suspension for the few that want their Lincoln to ride like a Mustang.
    And please, can that gas tank capacity be increased? When your weekly work commute is almost 500 miles, a 17 1/2 gallon tank just doesn't cut it.
  • brucelincbrucelinc Posts: 814
    Based on the order guide, it appears that the base suspension tuning has not changed. The last page of the guide indicates the 3.5 engine with the same power output as the current model. Acoustic glass in the windshield and a cabin filter are also new. The 17.5 gallon fuel tank remains according to the specs in the order guide.
  • carjimcarjim Posts: 155
    Though I require rwd for my driving enjoyment, my wife would be more than happy with the MKZ. I base that on how much she enjoyed driving our son's Mazda3.

    The absence of a manual shift mode is a deal breaker. To be unable to manually shift an automatic would send my wife and I straight to the Mazdas, which provide it. We are looking forward to the MKZ, and hope there is nothing timid about the handling or styling.
  • cowbellcowbell Posts: 125
    I saw this article on

    Super MKZ

    It's a Zephyr body, with a lot of body work, and a hood scoop. It also has manufacturers plate.

    No one seems to know anything about it, but I'm hoping Hot Rod Lincoln.
  • oldboyoldboy Posts: 59
    First, I'm a bit surprised that there has been no discussion here of the newly revealed 2010 MKZ at the LA Auto Show last week. It looks much better than the current model IMO, a sporty more aggressive look. The interior is also a whole lot better.

    I'm very much interested in buying one when they are available next March. However it appears that prices have not yet been released to the public although dealers have the order guides. If someone in the "know" could let us know the starting MSRP for this car I would much appreciate it. With the improvements I've read about I'm not sure I could afford the new model. In that case I might buy a 2009 model now instead of waiting.

    Thanks very much. :)
  • bigtbigt Posts: 412
    You are right, quite impressive. Details on the 2010 MKZ here:
  • oldboyoldboy Posts: 59
    Thanks BigT,

    I've read through these details before but there is no mention of the MSRP for the 2010 model. The 2008 MKZ FWD is $30,980 + delivery, and the 2009 MKZ FWD is $32,695 + delivery, but I am looking for the starting MSRP for the 2010 model. If it's much higher than the 2009, I'll settle for the 2009.
  • akirbyakirby Posts: 7,622
    Be sure to check the options. The 2010 may come with more standard features that would cost extra on the 09 model.
  • oldboyoldboy Posts: 59
    Hello A Kirby,

    I've often read your posts and know that you are very knowledgable about Ford products. As for options on the MKZ, the car already comes so loaded with standard features that I see no need to add anything extra. Of course some may choose to add a moonroof or a mavigation system but I have no need of those.

    I had been considering the more affordable Fusion or Milan but I feel that I could manage to buy the base model of the MKZ. I'd love to move up to this entry level luxury car. So if you have any info on the base price for the 2010 model please share it with me (and others who read this). Thank you.
  • akirbyakirby Posts: 7,622
    If you're planning to buy the base model regardless of the standard features then it won't matter. But it still wouldn't hurt to at least recognize any differences in standard features so you know what you're getting for the money.
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