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Looks better in these shots:
http://www.autoblog.com/2012/11/28/2013-toyota-rav4-la-2012/
Anyone else think the shnooz looks better on the Auris/RAV4 vs. the Camry/Avalon?
23 Civic Type-R / 22 MDX Type-S / 21 Tesla Y LR / 03 Montero Ltd
What I noticed in dirty money respitory/tax avoider paradise (but so clean and orderly and easy to get around) Zurich was Astons - I think I saw multiples of every model, some of them parked amusingly. Lots of high end Porsches too. No worries about ~$8/gallon gas.
Almost anything looks better than the front end of the Avalon. This new Toyota corporate face loses something on bigger cars.
23 Civic Type-R / 22 MDX Type-S / 21 Tesla Y LR / 03 Montero Ltd
Money doesn't rush in because of the scenery.
But...car had the factory adhesives all over it, and driver was wearing a dealer uniform. So, the car was just out being fueled or tested. Still, probably one of the youngest ever to drive a new ES - even if the ads show drivers not much older :shades:
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Toyota should make a power liftgate standard just to emphasize how much easier the new one will be in daily use.
The 2GR V6 is gone, sadly.
Sounds good. Unfortunately the C Max is way below my expectations for real-world MPG, so nice to have more options in that class.
Would also like to see a Mazda5 SkyActiv (gas or diesel).
Works for the Lotus Evora.
I gotta say, the Audi style LED lights look better on a squared off car like this one than they do even on Audis.
My wife noticed a bunch of reports like that doing a net search on the C-Max last night. She was especially bummed that some reviewer couldn't get better mileage even using hypermiling techniques.
So the bank account will be solvent for a while longer - thank you Ford. :shades:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RU7irtnhjss&feature=plcp
Honda seemed to address their primary gripes.
Kia just updated the powertrains, but it only got a face lift. Now the DI 4 banger is standard and the 3.3l DI V6 is optional.
The Benz has a lot more mass but I bet both protected their passengers rather well.
As for styling, Sorento reminds me of an MDX without any of the extraneous "styling". Not sure but I think it was designed before Schreyer's influence came in to play, yet it's aged well.
Can't really compare vehicles with such different pricing but Sorento does more than 3x the sales volume of the ML, and that was before the powertrain upgrades.
These seem smaller than I expected. Maybe it's the roofline.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IfA0DYWoqvw
Passenger cell is amazingly intact.
ML in the euro NCAP:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6VLcza8aDr0
You see some more deformation in the body (behind rear door) but to be fair this test is offset and performed at slightly higher speed.
But as mentioned earlier the ML has more mass and that's likely the biggest factor at play, that and the angle of the collision.
Hopefully both parties walked away from the crash. Mercedes does engineer its SUVs for bumper height compatibility.
Lexus LF-LC:
http://www.autoblog.com/2012/11/29/lexus-lf-lc-concept-la-2012/
Benz Ener G:
http://www.autoblog.com/2012/11/29/mercedes-benz-ener-g-force-la-2012/
Didn't know the Vehicross designers were still employed.
Accord does more than 3x sales of the S65, and that was before the powetrain upgrades :shades:
I'll have to ask my neighbor the DARE officer. He drives a lifted Jeep Cherokee in black and white with DARE logos.
Doesn't matter how we spin it.
This one's a real car on the M-B display at LA:
http://www.autoblog.com/2012/11/29/smart-forjeremy-la-2012/
Mercedes-Benz Cars Advanced Design Studios collaborated but no idea how that got approved to be on their show stand.
How is that relevant to them crashing?
I brought up crash tests that were on topic, you produced your (reliable) insults towards Asian brands.
If you don't like the direction the conversation took, then maybe you should not have taken it in that direction.
Seeing as Hyunkia in fact hired a German designer to help get them out of the aesthetic dark ages, it is kind of a relevant joke, too. There's definitely some aspiration there.
And if you don't like my posts, skip em :P
MB can do a lot worse. Remember this bizarre thing, apparently patterned a goldfish? I bet brands from a certain region with a fetish for faces and animal resemblances must have been jealous:
The ugliest designs in the world, right now, are coming out of Mercedes-Benz studios.
Edit: they should hire Schreyer back!
For all of the unsightly presence of that still nonexistent SUV, it doesn't quite yet get the furrowed brows and cringing of the Alien/Exner theme.
The sad thing is that's the direction where Mercedes thinks the G wagon should go.
I've seen nothing saying that concept has any actual influence on a future production vehicle.
fintail will now be know as Frances and juice will be Josephine. Ladies - take your bickering to the waterobics class and make sure you don't bust a hip climbing out of your golf carts.
Besides, your quarrel took the focus off of my sighting of a Chevy Caprice Detective.
Let's hope some of those others don't and leave it at that.
http://www.insideline.com/lexus/lf-cc/videos/lexus_lf-cc_12-ps-as_927121.html
A bold face worked for Audi, and now it's working for Lexus too. There are 2 people in the world who don't like it, but they'd never be caught dead in a new Lexus anyway. And don't even buy new cars.
Meanwhile people who actually might buy a GS and buying at 400% of the pre-spindle rate.
Wonder if the police department sells them at auction when they're done. Of course those cars idle a lot and are probably beat beyond recognition by the time they're done with them.
My town replaces about 2 cruisers a year. They get passed down to other departments. IIRC, they paint them all black and they go to building and health departments that run them about 2 years and then the DPW and rec department get them for another year or so.
2 people who don't like it? Do you read other forums? The "different for the sake of being different because we've become so invisibly bland that people are falling asleep" front end has been chided and questioned by more than a few. If anything, admit it is a desperation move.
The pre-Exner GS was selling at what, a sad three figures at best per month? Of course it will sell better, as it is a new design to replace then ancient old one, and it is likely a far superior car even with the defective aesthetics. History has more than one car selling despite questionable styling additions.
GS has the same engine as the old one, actually dropped the V8 option, and sales are up 472% for October, and you think all those owners think it's ugly?
Please.
Probably the German ambassador.
KIDDING.
Actually our rec dept. doesn't have too many employees. I think the director (who is elected) gets the 5 year old clapped out cruiser.
It's new, with nice interior and much nicer ICE. I've looked at both cars up close (remember, I was giving very positive remarks about the metal trim), and the new one is in a different world. The old one screamed "2005", which might not be the best thing in 2012.
Many owners of ugly cars don't think their cars are ugly.