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Has Honda's run - run out?

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  • avs007avs007 Posts: 97
    Actually, it was the TSX, RL, and Accord Hybrid that made the 10 best this year, not the TL... But same difference ;)
  • avs007avs007 Posts: 97
    Check your tranny fluid ASAP. That's all I can say. Mine was burning fluid. If it smells burnt, take it in to have it looked at, or at the very least change the fluid. Dealer may tell you, "That is normal", like they did with me... They didn't even want to touch the tranny, so I had to go to a different dealer.
  • gee35coupegee35coupe Posts: 3,475
    They didn't specify the Accord Hybrid. They listed all engines in the write-up. The Accord itself was listed as "Best Family Sedan". The picture was of the hybrid though.

    My bad on the TL. I didn't bother to pull the mag out.
  • "Would it have a trouble free 48,000 miles before I will return the lease."

     

    My father has an Acura MDX 01' that is ready to hit 130,000 miles. His tranny is the same as in your Pilot. Now, he's a stickler for maintainance, and he does the checkup avery 15,000 miles (skips the 7500) He had the "check" done at the beginning of this year, they ended up installing the oil jet kit and it's been fine. I have an 03' which is the newer design transmission, and I also follow the maintainance schedule every 15k miles, and I expect mine to go well past 100,000 miles as well.
  • varmintvarmint Posts: 6,326
    "I would like to see Honda build a AWD TSX sized sedan. But since I wouldn't plan on racing or anything, they wouldn't have to go forced induction to catch my attention. The EVO and STI have the "fast engine but cheap interior" thing down. I wouldn't mind a high content and competent handling performance sedan." - Gee35coupe

     

    The other day I was thinking that an Accord Coupe with the RL's engine and SH-AWD might be an interesting alternative to the Evo and WRX market. This wouldn't be cheap (stripped at $30K), but neither are the others. The fact that it'd be a coupe and relatively spartan should keep it out of Acura's hair.
  • varmintvarmint Posts: 6,326
    I've got an '01 TL. Tranny went at 64,000 miles. It probably has another 10,000 on it now.

     

    I don't like the fact that the tranny is suspect. But it's the only problem my wife and I have had. I could be having the same problems with any car out there, plus issues with a dozen other systems in the car.
  • fair enough driftracer. On the case of my mid 90's accord, 90K miles is about the life span of the Honda auto trans in a lot of applications. Hopefully my Pilot would last as long as that. However all us Honda owners should pressure Honda to give us 100K warranties out the door, because we now know that their product isn't really a 100K product, and is just like any other car, except for premium pricing
  • driftracerdriftracer Posts: 2,692
    "we now know that their product isn't really a 100K product"

     

    I'd place a year's salary on a Honda product, properly maintained, going 200,000 miles, before ANY other make of vehicle on the planet.

     

    If that statement isn't stronger than three acres of green onions, I don't know what is.
  • avs007avs007 Posts: 97
    I don't think an Accord Coupe with RL engine and SH-AWD will be 30. The accord coupe V6 is ALREADY close to 30 as it is. Throw in the RL engine and SH-AWD, and I'm sure it'll be stepping all over the TL's toes. I think it would be easier to throw the SH-AWD on the TL, considering it already has 270 ponies. That is unless you want the coupe version, but Acura got rid of the CL because of lack of sales, so I wouldn't count on Honda spending more money on the accord coupe...
  • grbeckgrbeck Posts: 2,361
    driftracer: If that statement isn't stronger than three acres of green onions, I don't know what is.

     

    I'm going to remember that statement for future debates, not to mention my job! That one may come in handy.

     

    From what I've seen, the Honda automatics hooked up to the four-cylinders (except for the Prelude) seem to have no problems. I've never owned a V-6 Honda, so I can't say for certain, but the three four-cylinder Civics (1993, 1996 and 1999 models) I had were all traded at 90,000 miles, and the automatics were giving no problems whatsoever.
  • driftracerdriftracer Posts: 2,692
    stronger than 3 acres of green onions, stronger than death, strong enough to knock a buzzard off a gut wagon...

     

    You're welcome to all of my phrases....
  • "Ah, I had to look very closely to that article that calisimo posted.

      

    If that's true about the 2.4L, quite a few folks in here are going to have head over to the "Eating Crow on Edmunds" message board. I don't need to name names, you know who you are. LMAO. ;)"

     

    Newcar, I've been away a few days so couldn't reply earlier. Before making others eat crow, make sure you don't get to eat a year's supply of crow yourself. If you would remember, I was ready to bet you that the 2006 Civic LX/EX would not have more than a 140-150HP engine (again, veriants picked by you, since you never wanted to take the Si into consideration). I am still ready for the bet, and let's see with the 06 version of Civic, who gets to eat crow, before we make judgements on that. Fair, right?
  • newcar and fair go together in a sentence like GM and no rebates. Just ain't happenin'.
  • robertsmxrobertsmx Posts: 5,525
    I've 1998 Accord, with about 110K miles on it. I had been planning on replacing it, but lately, have decided to keep it for a while. Not even a squeak is to be heard. If you were/are in Dallas area, you would be welcome to take a ride in it and figure it out for yourself.
  • robertsmxrobertsmx Posts: 5,525
    I don't think an Accord Coupe with RL engine and SH-AWD will be 30. The accord coupe V6 is ALREADY close to 30 as it is.

     

    Accord Coupe EXV6 carries a price tag of $26K. That’s a loaded car (except NAV). For another $4K, SH-AWD and a 300 HP/V6 should be possible (Acura 3.5/V6 and the Honda 3.0/V6 belong to the same family of engines).

     

    And even if it approached $32K, it wouldn't "step on" TL, because of lack of conveniences (2 doors, rear seat room etc).
  • newcar31newcar31 Posts: 3,711
    "If you would remember, I was ready to bet you that the 2006 Civic LX/EX would not have more than a 140-150HP engine (again, veriants picked by you, since you never wanted to take the Si into consideration). I am still ready for the bet, and let's see with the 06 version of Civic, who gets to eat crow, before we make judgements on that. Fair, right?"

     

    Hey, there were people in here saying that no Civic would ever get a 2.4L.

     

    "(again, veriants picked by you, since you never wanted to take the Si into consideration)."

     

    You keep bringing that up. I never took the Si into consideration because I never thought it needed more power....but it's getting more anyway.

     

    I thought the Civic sedan could use a bump in power. Then everyone points me to the Si. Great! That makes sense? It's not a sedan! I keep talking about the sedan and you folks keep pointing me to a 3 door hatchback. Call me when the shuttle lands people.
  • varmintvarmint Posts: 6,326
    The post read, "stripped at $30K".

     

    The CL was aimed a different buyer. It came with leather seats and near luxury appointments that would not have attracted the crowd interested in Evos and WRXs. (You're lucky to get a radio in some of those.) And while the CL was a very competent car, it did nothing outrageous within it's segment.

     

    A 300 hp Accord Coupe with an AWD system that is arguably the best on the market, is another animal.

     

    Of course, Acura should offer a TL with SH-AWD at least one year prior to this hypothetical Accord model, but I don't see the two competing.
  • "I thought the Civic sedan could use a bump in power. Then everyone points me to the Si. Great! That makes sense? It's not a sedan! I keep talking about the sedan and you folks keep pointing me to a 3 door hatchback. Call me when the shuttle lands people."

     

    And we said that it would get a bump, but not the kind of bump that you were suggesting. And that's what the 'eating crow' thing was about.
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,695
    that Honda hopes to sell 60,000 a year of the new RDX. That is more than half the volume of either the CRV or the HL (both non-premium brands, I am aware) and almost as many as the Element sells each year, if I am not mistaken. Might be a little ambitious...unless the RDX steals sales from the larger MDX (buyers who wanted an Acura crossover but didn't need all the space of the MDX).

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

  • varmintvarmint Posts: 6,326
    I read the same article (Detroit News). I figure it's going to take quite a few sales from the MDX, while the MDX moves up to the $40-55K bracket.
  • newcar31newcar31 Posts: 3,711
    "And we said that it would get a bump, but not the kind of bump that you were suggesting. And that's what the 'eating crow' thing was about."

     

    Lol, YOU never said anything like that. Let me see if I can dig up some of YOUR words:

     

    "Much as I hope that the new Civic is sportier, I haev a feeling that may not entirely be the case. The recent cosmetic changes in the Acura RSX clearly are conservative, with teh kinks below the headlamps and taillamps being taken away. I much prefered the pre 2005 look, and if this is the policy Honda wants to follow, then I rally don't see anything radical happening to the Civic."

     

    And:

     

    "The Civic is an economical, sporty compact car, with a sport version available (Si), so Honda believes the engines in each trim are are sufficient, and so do 300,000 buyers each year. Even with the 06 Civic, I don't expect the Civic to be pushing 160HP, as clearly in Honda's and the target segment's view, what they have is more than sufficient."

     

    Hmmm. 127 hp. More than sufficient. I disagree.

     

    The whole time I was talking about the EX line of Civic not adding much hp in over 10 years....and it hasn't.

     

    Then you and others REPEATEDLY pointed me towards the Civic Si, saying that I was ignoring the Si for the sake of my argument.

     

    You're right, I am ignoring the Si because:

    1. I personally don't think it needs more power

    2. It's not a sedan or coupe.

     

    I've pointed this out many times, yet for some reason, you keep telling me about the Si.

     

    Here's me:

     

    I think the sedan and coupe could use more power, they haven't improved much in over 10 years as far as power is concerned.

     

    Here's you:

     

    But the Si....you're ignoring the Si....the Si...the Si....

     

    ??????????????

     

    Lol! I give up!
  • gee35coupegee35coupe Posts: 3,475
    Before we get carried away on that, we have to remember that that car was not a U.S. model. Different parts of the word get different equipment and models. For example there is a Civic sedan in Malaysia with the i-vtec 2.0 already.

    http://www.honda.net.my/hondaweb/news_newcivic.html
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,695
    have you seen where Honda has made any kind of announcement about the RDX's price? They quote the competition as the X3 and something else I forget, and quote the prices of those two, with the X3 being lower at a base of $30K. Will Honda beat it with the RDX, do you think? I would think they would need to. Maybe sell it for about the same price as the TSX: $27/29K depending on NAV. I wonder if it would steal any TSX sales in that case. Not that Honda is staking much on the success or failure of the TSX - it was just a pleasant surprise for them when that sold much better than expected.

     

    Imagine how much better sales would have been for them in the 90s if instead of having a four-door Integra (which fizzled in sales) they had brought the Euro Accord over earlier.

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

  • robertsmxrobertsmx Posts: 5,525
    I expect Acura RDX to be placed in $30-35K price class. It will appeal to people who may not be ready to spend $37K-44K on MDX, pretty much like TSX is to TL.

     

    It might take some sales away from both, TSX and TL, but at the same time, may attract a few new buyers.
  • varmintvarmint Posts: 6,326
    "But the Si....you're ignoring the Si....the Si...the Si...."

     

    It's not that we don't hear you. It's the fact that you're asking for a very specific niche vehicle. You're not wrong. You're just chasing something so specific nobody else cares. Honda certainly isn't going to grant every single wish on every single buyer's mind.

     

    Now, I'm begging you... PLEASE get over it.
  • varmintvarmint Posts: 6,326
    It was the BMW X3 and the Infiniti FX35.

     

    I think Acura is playing the same game they did when they compared the TL with the base 5 series. Instead of being a direct competitor with those two SUVs, the RDX will come at the market from the same position as the TSX. It'll cost slightly less, with less engine, but a nice, fully loaded interior.

     

    In SAT terminology... RDX is to X3 as TSX is to 3 Series.

     

    My guestimate on price is $30K fully loaded with AWD. NAV adds another $2K. While the base price of a X3 is about $30K, that's a stripped vehicle.
  • "Imagine how much better sales would have been for them in the 90s if instead of having a four-door Integra (which fizzled in sales) they had brought the Euro Accord over earlier."

     

    Euro Accord type R <drooling>

     

    http://www.poweredbyhonda.org/atre.html
  • newcar31newcar31 Posts: 3,711
    "It's not that we don't hear you."

     

    Clearly, some of you don't hear me, or don't understand what I am talking about. If you did, you wouldn't continue to harp on me about ignoring the Si.

     

     

    "It's the fact that you're asking for a very specific niche vehicle."

     

    Asking for more power in the EX sedan is asking for a "very specific niche vehicle"? Honestly? Are you serious?

     

    "Now, I'm begging you... PLEASE get over it."

     

    Hey, I am over it, I was over it a while ago, until 03accordman brought the subject up again.
  • Here's the big question mark--what platform is the upcoming Acura RDX SUV based on?

     

    Will it be a derivative of the Accord platform like the MDX/Pilot? Will be derived from the CR-V small SUV? Or (my guess) will it be derived from the recently introduced FR-V/Edix "tall wagon" now on sale in Europe and Japan?
  • carguy58carguy58 Posts: 2,303
    "And Hyundai is still absolutely hoorible, I don't care what JD Powers says...JD Powers obviously doesn't have contact with the same Hyundai owners I do."

     

    Sales for Hyundai has been up each year since 1998. You are telling me about lemon law cases but they get more customers each year so how can their cars be that bad as you are saying from a reliability standpoint? Consumer Reports also says Hyundai reliability is on the uprise.

     

    "I deal with 2000-2004 model cars and speaking of Hyundai's their warranty has nothing to do with reliability-it's a sales too(I think you meant tool) thats all. Elantras, Sonatas and Stanta Fe Transsmissions, still drop like flies, just like they did in the 90's."

     

    I know Hyundai had tranny issue's with their cars in the 90's. One guy I know had I think a last generation Elantra with 120K on it and just got rid of it in the first half of this year. You are telling me Hyundai's are bad just like in the 90s yet people still buy Hyundai's in 2004. I'm not disagreeing with you saying they aren't 5600 lemon law cases under your belt with Hyundai but people keep on buying Hyundai's so if they are as bad of a product that you are saying that they are why do people continue to buy them.?

     

    BTw, you have 48,000 cases with Hyundai or other maunufacturers as well? Can you clarify more for me?
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