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And Hyundai is still absolutely horrible, I don't care what JD Powers says...JD Powers obviously doesn't have contact with the same Hyundai owners I do.
I deal with 2000-2004 model cars, and speaking of Hyundai, their warranty has absolutely nothing to do with reliability - it's a sales too, that's all. Elantras, Sonatas, and Santa Fe transmissions still drop like flies, just like they did in the '90s.
Sure, I was little hesitant when I bought my MDX in the Spring of this year, but my father has one of the original 01's and he's headed for 130,000 miles soon, still on the original tranny. Must be a miracle...
I guess I'm a bit more skeptical of some of the people in forums. I think there was an issue, and I think there were probably a few who did have an issue...
BUT, I also believe with forums, you run into alot of bogus posters who got wind of this and blew it out of proportion with their "horror stories" of Honda's dumping trannies to scare others away from them.
Half of the horror stories I read in these forums about Tranny issues, or oil change fires, etc... are first/last posts from members. They signup for 1 day, make a negative post/horror story and disappear, never to be heard from again. Kind of makes you question if they're for real or not.
The Accord 03/04 EX-L is limited at 125.
And a 03 Civic SI will hit redline at 132.
A 1994 LS400 is supposed to do 155 but I put T-rated Michelin X-Ones on it so I won't test it. But it will get to 120 in a hurry.
My is the version that was post Pilot EX trans. recall, so mine was approx. built 4 weeks after the affected recall.
They aren't, but it's brazenly ironic that Ford and GM owners would decry Honda on reliabilty issues.
Thanks For any imfo.
My bad on the TL. I didn't bother to pull the mag out.
My father has an Acura MDX 01' that is ready to hit 130,000 miles. His tranny is the same as in your Pilot. Now, he's a stickler for maintainance, and he does the checkup avery 15,000 miles (skips the 7500) He had the "check" done at the beginning of this year, they ended up installing the oil jet kit and it's been fine. I have an 03' which is the newer design transmission, and I also follow the maintainance schedule every 15k miles, and I expect mine to go well past 100,000 miles as well.
The other day I was thinking that an Accord Coupe with the RL's engine and SH-AWD might be an interesting alternative to the Evo and WRX market. This wouldn't be cheap (stripped at $30K), but neither are the others. The fact that it'd be a coupe and relatively spartan should keep it out of Acura's hair.
I don't like the fact that the tranny is suspect. But it's the only problem my wife and I have had. I could be having the same problems with any car out there, plus issues with a dozen other systems in the car.
I'd place a year's salary on a Honda product, properly maintained, going 200,000 miles, before ANY other make of vehicle on the planet.
If that statement isn't stronger than three acres of green onions, I don't know what is.
I'm going to remember that statement for future debates, not to mention my job! That one may come in handy.
From what I've seen, the Honda automatics hooked up to the four-cylinders (except for the Prelude) seem to have no problems. I've never owned a V-6 Honda, so I can't say for certain, but the three four-cylinder Civics (1993, 1996 and 1999 models) I had were all traded at 90,000 miles, and the automatics were giving no problems whatsoever.
You're welcome to all of my phrases....
If that's true about the 2.4L, quite a few folks in here are going to have head over to the "Eating Crow on Edmunds" message board. I don't need to name names, you know who you are. LMAO. "
Newcar, I've been away a few days so couldn't reply earlier. Before making others eat crow, make sure you don't get to eat a year's supply of crow yourself. If you would remember, I was ready to bet you that the 2006 Civic LX/EX would not have more than a 140-150HP engine (again, veriants picked by you, since you never wanted to take the Si into consideration). I am still ready for the bet, and let's see with the 06 version of Civic, who gets to eat crow, before we make judgements on that. Fair, right?
Accord Coupe EXV6 carries a price tag of $26K. That’s a loaded car (except NAV). For another $4K, SH-AWD and a 300 HP/V6 should be possible (Acura 3.5/V6 and the Honda 3.0/V6 belong to the same family of engines).
And even if it approached $32K, it wouldn't "step on" TL, because of lack of conveniences (2 doors, rear seat room etc).
Hey, there were people in here saying that no Civic would ever get a 2.4L.
"(again, veriants picked by you, since you never wanted to take the Si into consideration)."
You keep bringing that up. I never took the Si into consideration because I never thought it needed more power....but it's getting more anyway.
I thought the Civic sedan could use a bump in power. Then everyone points me to the Si. Great! That makes sense? It's not a sedan! I keep talking about the sedan and you folks keep pointing me to a 3 door hatchback. Call me when the shuttle lands people.
The CL was aimed a different buyer. It came with leather seats and near luxury appointments that would not have attracted the crowd interested in Evos and WRXs. (You're lucky to get a radio in some of those.) And while the CL was a very competent car, it did nothing outrageous within it's segment.
A 300 hp Accord Coupe with an AWD system that is arguably the best on the market, is another animal.
Of course, Acura should offer a TL with SH-AWD at least one year prior to this hypothetical Accord model, but I don't see the two competing.
And we said that it would get a bump, but not the kind of bump that you were suggesting. And that's what the 'eating crow' thing was about.
2014 Mini Cooper (stick shift of course), 2016 Camry hybrid, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (keeping the stick alive)
Lol, YOU never said anything like that. Let me see if I can dig up some of YOUR words:
"Much as I hope that the new Civic is sportier, I haev a feeling that may not entirely be the case. The recent cosmetic changes in the Acura RSX clearly are conservative, with teh kinks below the headlamps and taillamps being taken away. I much prefered the pre 2005 look, and if this is the policy Honda wants to follow, then I rally don't see anything radical happening to the Civic."
And:
"The Civic is an economical, sporty compact car, with a sport version available (Si), so Honda believes the engines in each trim are are sufficient, and so do 300,000 buyers each year. Even with the 06 Civic, I don't expect the Civic to be pushing 160HP, as clearly in Honda's and the target segment's view, what they have is more than sufficient."
Hmmm. 127 hp. More than sufficient. I disagree.
The whole time I was talking about the EX line of Civic not adding much hp in over 10 years....and it hasn't.
Then you and others REPEATEDLY pointed me towards the Civic Si, saying that I was ignoring the Si for the sake of my argument.
You're right, I am ignoring the Si because:
1. I personally don't think it needs more power
2. It's not a sedan or coupe.
I've pointed this out many times, yet for some reason, you keep telling me about the Si.
Here's me:
I think the sedan and coupe could use more power, they haven't improved much in over 10 years as far as power is concerned.
Here's you:
But the Si....you're ignoring the Si....the Si...the Si....
??????????????
Lol! I give up!
http://www.honda.net.my/hondaweb/news_newcivic.html
Imagine how much better sales would have been for them in the 90s if instead of having a four-door Integra (which fizzled in sales) they had brought the Euro Accord over earlier.
2014 Mini Cooper (stick shift of course), 2016 Camry hybrid, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (keeping the stick alive)
It might take some sales away from both, TSX and TL, but at the same time, may attract a few new buyers.
It's not that we don't hear you. It's the fact that you're asking for a very specific niche vehicle. You're not wrong. You're just chasing something so specific nobody else cares. Honda certainly isn't going to grant every single wish on every single buyer's mind.
Now, I'm begging you... PLEASE get over it.
I think Acura is playing the same game they did when they compared the TL with the base 5 series. Instead of being a direct competitor with those two SUVs, the RDX will come at the market from the same position as the TSX. It'll cost slightly less, with less engine, but a nice, fully loaded interior.
In SAT terminology... RDX is to X3 as TSX is to 3 Series.
My guestimate on price is $30K fully loaded with AWD. NAV adds another $2K. While the base price of a X3 is about $30K, that's a stripped vehicle.
Euro Accord type R <drooling>
http://www.poweredbyhonda.org/atre.html
Clearly, some of you don't hear me, or don't understand what I am talking about. If you did, you wouldn't continue to harp on me about ignoring the Si.
"It's the fact that you're asking for a very specific niche vehicle."
Asking for more power in the EX sedan is asking for a "very specific niche vehicle"? Honestly? Are you serious?
"Now, I'm begging you... PLEASE get over it."
Hey, I am over it, I was over it a while ago, until 03accordman brought the subject up again.
Will it be a derivative of the Accord platform like the MDX/Pilot? Will be derived from the CR-V small SUV? Or (my guess) will it be derived from the recently introduced FR-V/Edix "tall wagon" now on sale in Europe and Japan?
Sales for Hyundai has been up each year since 1998. You are telling me about lemon law cases but they get more customers each year so how can their cars be that bad as you are saying from a reliability standpoint? Consumer Reports also says Hyundai reliability is on the uprise.
"I deal with 2000-2004 model cars and speaking of Hyundai's their warranty has nothing to do with reliability-it's a sales too(I think you meant tool) thats all. Elantras, Sonatas and Stanta Fe Transsmissions, still drop like flies, just like they did in the 90's."
I know Hyundai had tranny issue's with their cars in the 90's. One guy I know had I think a last generation Elantra with 120K on it and just got rid of it in the first half of this year. You are telling me Hyundai's are bad just like in the 90s yet people still buy Hyundai's in 2004. I'm not disagreeing with you saying they aren't 5600 lemon law cases under your belt with Hyundai but people keep on buying Hyundai's so if they are as bad of a product that you are saying that they are why do people continue to buy them.?
BTw, you have 48,000 cases with Hyundai or other maunufacturers as well? Can you clarify more for me?
First off I do have my 100K warranty for my 02 Acura CL. Second off premium prcing you sound like my father. When I was looking at a 2001 Accord Coupe he was like you can get a domestic for cheaper(I was thinking about shopping a Dodge Stratus at the time as well.) Its's like the reason why the domesics gets discounted so much is because they use cheap interior plastics in their cars. I agree each car company has its problems as far as reliability goes but the domestic's had falied to do the little things that the Japanese do so well with cars. I think the domestics have learned in the past few years the "little things" do matter in cars though. Chrysler;s have had always alright interiors. GM's not until 2003 when the new Caddy;s came out did they learn about the little things in cars. Ford's: was not a fan of the oval themed interior's of the mid to late 90's Tarus's and Escorts. I am not of fan of the 2000-2004 Ford Focus interior at all either. Finally as far as Honda not being an 100k product: I see 1990-1993 and 1994-1997 Accord's with tons of miles on them. One of the guys at my work racked up about 230K on his 1990 Accord and just got rid of it last year.
Oh, and they're CHEAP - by every meaning of the word. CHEAP sells. Just don't try to trade it or sell it in the first 4-5 years of ownership and you'll do fine.
Sure, Hyundai has improved, and many magazine editors have noticed the improvements - while you'll certainly read many praises that Hyundai has improved in quality, you still don't (and won't) hear that they're surpassing anyone but Kia in overall (not initial, that's worthless) quality.
So, they've improved, but I don't think Honda is worried about losing their place on the podium.
I have personally handled 5,600 lemon law cases - about 900 of those have been from Hyundai and Kia - ironic, because 20 out of 30 cases I do each week are GM vehicles (by contract), so that doesn't leave much room for the rest of the cars on the planet.
The primary firm I consult for has handled 48,000 lemon law cases since I came aboard - that doesn't count the ones handled prior to March 2001, and they've been doing this since 1990.
Or will the next hybrid be a Pilot/MDX?
And the RDX will be built at the same plant that builds the NA Accord, so I wonder if this means they are on the same platform? It wouldn't necessarily mean that, but they might put them at the same plant so as to be able to mix up build ratios among the models with minimal fuss.
If the article I read that detailed the RDX said anything about its platform, I either missed it or forgot already. Although I have gotten the strong impression that despite my early thinking that it would be logical for the RDX to be on the same platform as the CRV, actually it is not.
I agree with you, varmint. The RDX will have to come in about 10% less pricey than a comparable X3. Which is what got me thinking the base cloth-seated, non-NAV, FWD model should be around $27K, with the usual +$1K for leather, and +$2K each for AWD and NAV.
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At this time, it would be anybody's guess. The word "platform" itself is becoming meaningless by the day, since there is little substance to its definition now, not just with Honda, with any automaker.
RDX is supposed to be produced in Ohio, if it is Marysville, sharing production line with TL and Accord. And if it is East Liberty, sharing production line with Civic, Element, and guess what... Accord.
I suspect next CR-V could sit on a different platform than it does now (compact car), and this new platform could begin its life with RDX.
As for engine choices, K24 remains a strong possibility with 190-210 HP, with possible hybridization in the future (if not right out of the gates). But I wouldn't rule out implementation of J-series V6 either (J30 to be specific). The latter could allow for use of VTM-4 (or SH-AWD) which is something I believe RDX should have (instead of RT-4WD).
For some reason I was thinking that there was a TSX available without leather, but if all the TSXs are leather-seated, then I am sure you are right that all the RDXs will be too.
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If you've seen the original Acura RD-X concept car from 2002, you will note that the platorm of that vehicle appears to have evolved into what we see as the Honda FR-V/Edix that just recently went on sale in Europe and Japan. This is why I suspect that the FR-V/Edix may be using the same platform that will be used in a modified form for the next-generation Honda Civic and could also be used for the Acura RDX small SUV. I've seen a few spy pictures of the final exterior design of the RDX that will be shown at NAIAS next month, and it does bear some resemblence to the FR-V/Edix design.
I'm not sure if Honda wants to design the RDX around the Accord platform, since that could result in quite a heavier car, not good for Honda's image as a "green" car company.