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Has Honda's run - run out?



  • carguy58carguy58 Posts: 2,303
    "Toyota and Honda both have different goals. Toyota wanted to keep its role as a best seller. By doing that, they had to sell their Camry's in fleets and offer incentives. That hurt it's resale value."

    Yeah I know Toyota at least in Central NJ had a 1500 dollar factory rebate on the Camry for 03 and 04 model years I think. In my opinion Camry's resale is still good though. Consumer Reports recently dropped The Camry's resale value from above average to average though.

    "Honda on the other hand wanted to keep its high resale value. By doing that, they had to sell very little in fleets and offer few incentives. That effected the Accords sales."

    Yeah I know one of the Accord's strenghs has been its resale value over the years but with a new Camry coming out soon and sales of the Accord dropping 31% last month can Honda stilll keep Accord sales from dropping significantly this 2006 sales year? I think this year is going to be tough too keep Accord sales stable from year 2005 sales in which they sold 369,000 Accord's. Its going to be tough on Honda to not only to keep Accord sales stable for this year but also next year as well since a new Accord won't probably be coming out until late 2007.
  • carlisimocarlisimo Posts: 1,280

    I thought the Ridgeline was obvious, since it'll affect truck design for quite some time.

    I'm a little surprised by the car result. I guess the Solstice is a huge leap for GM, but it follows a very traditional formula. The Civic's taken packaging to a new extreme, and its interior is pretty bold too. (Whether it works or not is another matter, but it's beside the point.)
  • anythngbutgmanythngbutgm Posts: 4,159
    My beef with the Solstice twins is the "piece parts" design of it. The rear end is CTS, which isn't a bad idea, the dash and motor are Cobalt SS, not a bad choice either, but the gearbox is from a Colorado Pickup! :surprise: Only 5-speeds as well... I guess it helped to keep the costs and price of entry down, but it still doesn't exude 100% effort on GM's part...

    Thing about the Civic is the WHOLE lineup that is involved, and the substantial sales and reputation that this nameplate has. it is a significant model to the Honda portfolio. Meanwhile the GM roadsters are a new entry in to the sement, but for 20k sales, it is peanuts for sales figures...
  • PFFlyer@EdmundsPFFlyer@Edmunds Pennsylvania Furnace, PAPosts: 5,806
    Honda considering a 6th North American plant

    More evidence of the ever increasing Asian automakers presence in North America. Honda is now studying the need as to whether build a sixth North American assembly plant, or enlarge an existing to meet the demand for their products.


    Moderator - Hatchbacks & Hybrid Vehicles

  • varmintvarmint Posts: 6,326
    Business Week

    Honda already has hybrid versions of the Civic and Accord on the road, and it will unleash gas-electric versions of the Pilot and Ridgeline by 2008.

    This is news to me. I haven't seen anything from a Honda source about plans to introduce a hybrid truck in 2008. Am I missing something? Dunno where this guy got it from.
  • varmintvarmint Posts: 6,326
    That one does not surprise me. The Ohio plants are now responsible for half a dozen models on at least three different platforms. December sales of their sedans were constrained because of lack of product.

    I would have thought they'd add another line at the Ody/Pilot plant down in Alabama. Not sure if this rumor means a whole new facility or a new line at an existing site.
  • larsblarsb Posts: 8,204
    that must be new from the car show......????
  • AG11AG11 Posts: 31
    I agree Honda's golden years were probably 1994-2000 when the generation X crowd was buying Honda's like crazy

    Hey, another GenXer here. I loved the Honda back in early 90's. Those were the best looking Accords/Civics/Legends. I had a used Integra in college, man I loved that car! :D

    Somewhere in the late 90's, Hondas started to look frumpy, and I started trying other makes.

    This ex-Honda guy is now a happy VW/Audi customer. Well, I bought an Odyssey for my wife, so maybe I never left. ;)
  • varmintvarmint Posts: 6,326
    They retracted it!

    I was just looking for the statement about the Pilot hybrid and it's no longer in that article. They changed the sentence to say something about moving hybrids into the Acura line-up.
  • Funny, as a Gen Xer, I went the other way. Used to own VW/Audi products as well as Saab, enjoyed the unique design, good performance, good safety, I think those cars have lost some of their edge (except the Audi in terms of exterior/interior design), especially the new Passat, and Saab is becoming more and more irrevelant (9-5 is aging, going on 7 years or so without major upgrade, 9-3 is ok but nothing special, 9-2x was a joke of a rebadged Subaru, and 9-7x is a major joke as a rebadged GM SUV). Reliability has always been an issue with the above makes, even though I generally consider build quality and fit and finish of recent products to be very good (i.e. paint, gaps, joints between materials, etc...)

    I went to my first Honda product with a new Acura TL, design inside and out is very good, although not cutting edge, but very clean, good performance, excellent reliability, a cut below the Germans and Swedes in build quality and fit and finish (was surprised that Acuras paint is just ok and alignment of panels is just ok.) But I find the Acura to be the car which probably does not excel at any one thing but is very very good at everything, which suits my desire to have a car that suits my needs with exceptional reliability, something I do not trust VW/Audi or Saab to do (at least on the reliability and quality/competency of service area.)
  • habitat1habitat1 Posts: 4,282
    Somewhere in the late 90's, Hondas started to look frumpy, and I started trying other makes. This ex-Honda guy is now a happy VW/Audi customer.

    That's interesting, I didn't buy any Hondas in the 1990's because they either didn't impress me with their looks, performance, or both. To be fair, the only cars we bought in the decade were a 1995 Nissan Maxima SE 5-speed and an Isuzu Trooper (big mistake). So other than a 1995 Accord or 1996 Passport, Honda didn't get any other chances to snag me. (The Legend GS 6-speed was out of my price range).

    However,of the several other people I know that now have 2004-2006 TL's, at least three or four of them came from the Audi camp. A common cross shopping line-up among them seems to be the A6, 530i, TL and RL. And even though the TL is the least expensive, it appears to hold its own reasonably well against the others. The fact that Acura went beyond sporty design and fitted the 2004 TL with a 6-speed and gave it much better handling than the previous generation kept me from going the BMW route.

    Obviously, tastes and styling are highly personal. Had I bought my wife a "frumpy" Odyssey, she would have divorced me. ;) Her only gripe with her MDX is that it doesn't have a 6-speed manual like the TL. :(
  • anythngbutgmanythngbutgm Posts: 4,159
    MDX would be an interesting vehicle with a stick. I am very disappointed to find the upcoming RDX is also lacking a manual as well. We are a very limited breed I suspect :(
  • varmintvarmint Posts: 6,326
    Mrs. Varmint was fine with a stick for years. We had several. But recently she began driving more often in traffic. Too bad because a TSX would be a perfect car for her. Just can't talk her out of the automatic!
  • anythngbutgmanythngbutgm Posts: 4,159
    My wife had a few herself (Prelude, Nissan Sentra). Her last couple of cars have been Auto though as she grew tired of 3 pedals. She does on occasion drive the S2k, but has no intentions of having a manual as a daily driver.

    I might have convinced her on the 6 speeder for the TL which she oh so wants if she didn't need all the utility of the MDX. A slushbox for the TL is just so wrong...
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    I expected Ridgeline (when I found out the RAV4 didn't even make finalist!), but I also expected the Solistice. Not so much on merit, more so on its significance to GM.

    VW/Audi: it's funny, you get one extreme or the other. Enthusiasts who swear by them, and folks that were burned and you couldn't give one to.

  • varmintvarmint Posts: 6,326
    Was the RAV4 even eligible? I would have thought that it needed to be on sale by a certain date.
  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,657
    I agree. I bet it will be a contender for the 2007 NACOTY, but not this year.

  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    I thought I saw it on the list of nominees...don't recall the article, though.

  • carguy58carguy58 Posts: 2,303
    "Hey, another GenXer here. I loved the Honda back in early 90's. Those were the best looking Accords/Civics/Legends. I had a used Integra in college, man I loved that car!"

    The 96-97 Accord was sweet looking back in the day. That was the particular generation of Accord that got me hooked to Honda at a very young age when I was in High School. Honda won my interest back then. As a matter of fact for my first car I wanted a late 80's Accord too. I didn't get it then though.

    "Somewhere in the late 90's, Hondas started to look frumpy, and I started trying other makes."

    I don't have a problem with the late 90's Honda's. The 03 Accord just totally was just totally just didn't look like the Honda I grew up with from the mid to late 90's period. Honda has showed me alot from coming back from the 03 Accord styling dud in the last few years in regards to exterior design with new Civic Coupe and 04+ TL. The Pilot and accord just don't do anything for me.

    On a side note, my problem is I would buy a Mazda 6 right now instead of buying a Honda. I hope the next Accord they style it real good. Right now I am a Acura CL owner.
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