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I'm not "defending this blunder"... but it's not a blunder exactly. It's a product management decision. Just like we don't get the fuel filler door lock here, which is just plain odd.
If you want an interior motion sensor, have one installed. None of my cars have this feature from the factory (only immobilizer and door sensors, just like the LR3) and it's never bothered me -- maybe because I never leave valuables in plain sight. It's obvious it's important to you, though. As I said before, send LR your feedback. If you really want an OEM solution, ask for it. If enough people do, you never know... maybe they'll offer an accessory upgrade.
I think I've been more successful overall, but I have seen the system ignore some of my files like you have. I haven't had time to diagnose it further so I can formally complain. I rip my discs at much high bit-rates, FYI. I haven't yet figured out if it's related to file name or something similar. If something is indeed wrong, I don't expect to see it fixed anytime soon, though. I'm sure I'm a minority user of this feature. As I've posted time and time agin, I'm more irritated it doesn't show any title/artist information about the track playing.
This is a nice factory headunit but a tough adjustment after having 2 lines of text and having XM on my last Alpine aftermarket unit. Anything aftermarket would look really bad so that is not an option. The headunit can eventually be flash upgraded, I really hope that they release better options but I am not holding my breath.
On Sunday, I started my car, which had been left in access mode, and all special programs failed. I shut down the car. Once I re-started the car, everything worked fine.
Has deep discounting just begun? Even if these were "loaners" thats a hefty discount. Is LR subventing this? Did I misread this? While I truly hope that the LR3 has a good launch, a bad launch can kill an otherwise good car. (Look at the Chrysler Pacifica. With its clean, nordic design and AWD, that car should have attracted lots of people who wanted to save 10K over a Volvo XC. But the launch stumbled, then discounting began --diminishing the brand in many eyes, and I haven't seen any Volvo types driving any. When will the Big Three have enough cojones to build a good car at the right price and stick to it?)
quick question. did you want the heavy duty package? i only ask because i wanted the se7 fully loaded except without nav. lr dealer called and said heavy duty was not available yet (early december) and so i bought it.
trm2
Let's start with some history: I had a '98 Discovery, GREAT in the snow, wouldn't want to be in any other truck! Not so great in the city. I didn't feel it had enough power and zip, but it was my first "SUV" so what did I know? Then I went to the 2001 BMX X5 (V6) (also the first year model) and I have to say it was an awesome fast "little truck." I had not one major problem with the car and the upmost service from Nick Alexandar in Los Angeles.
But it was time for a bigger truck as the X5 proved to be nothing but a Mini Cooper for my big ole German Shepherd! Let alone, anticipating the arrival of a baby seat. After much persuasion from my husband, with knowledge of the new 300 HP engine, we decided to give the LR3 a test drive. Although we were both quite impressed, I wasn't SOLD after the 15 minute test drive, as I was still so happy with my X5. So my husband arranged for a 24 HR test drive which allowed me to keep the truck overnight and do everyday things. (Hornburg Sunset was great!) We also needed to make sure our dog's X-large kennel fit in the back. (It does!)
After zipping around LA streets and freeways, I was one happy little camper with a whole lot of horse power! Let me also state the only hesitation I had with the truck was how it handled in the city. Nothing to do with the reliability of Land Rover. LR South Bay serviced my '98 Disco just fine. Let alone, it only needed it's regular services. I had not one problem with the Disco, and LR South Bay always provided a loaner.
Now the only problem was finding a LR3 HSE7 before Dec. 31, 2004, to take advantage of the accelerated depreciation. I called every LR dealer in California! Not one LR3 HSE7 to be found! Did I have to settle for a fully loaded SE7? Luckily, LR Anaheim Hills had one who's depositer didn't need the fully loaded HSE7, sad for her, happy for me! LR Anaheim Hills (also a great dealer) is some 60 miles from me, but it didn't worry me, because again I never had an issues with the Disco, and I knew how well LR South Bay took care of me.
I always use the access mode after I park. So convenient in parking structures and for loading groceries.
Love being able to hook up my IPOD, no more having to run it thru FM stations!
During all the terrible rains in Los Angeles, I used the snow/gravel mode, you could tell how much more the tires grip to the wet roads. I felt so safe! Can't wait to take it skiing!
FYI, HSE owners: Check to make sure all the window control panels in the rear have the panel with the AUX plug-ins. All of mine were there expect the right rear passenger. Called dealer, will order one for me.
No stalls, no problems, minor or major! I ABSOLUTELY LOVE this smart new truck! But I do feel for those who are experiencing difficulties with such a great truck!
We'll keep our fingers crossed! Happy LR3ing!
Still no problems and the drive gets better and stronger every day. I use most of the features every day (I'm becoming a LR "POWER USER!"), including parking at access height, off-roading, voice commands, memory seats/mirrors, navigation system, DVD, cold box, tow package, driving modes, iPod integration, and 7-seat configurations, all without any problems (again, except for the DVD-through-the-speakers bug).
This is unquestionably the finest vehicle I have ever owned. I'm sorry that some of you are having a negative experience...
still waiting for it. (Ordered Oct 30, dealer
says it will be in late Feb)
I insisted on the Factory DVD Player, Does anyone
who has this know if the AUX port is still
available?
I am not sure if the DVD Player will use that AUX
port, or is an AUX port is still available for
other things like Satalite, or iPod's.
Paul
The current issue with the DVD is that it does not currently play through the speakers of the audio system, but only through the supplied wireless headsets (or through the wired headset jacks).
A few earlier posts attributed this to a change in the final model of the DVD and that a fix was coming...
The issues I have experienced include:
- A total suspension failure Sunday (not repeatable; dealer still has the truck and can see from all the error memories [a lot!] that it happened, but cannot repeat, so cannot fix)
- Steering wheel not quite straight - will be adjusted.
- "The thump" when accelerating briskly from having just stopped - but I can work around it by babying it and accellerating slowly.
- Groaning sound when I reverse and go over bumps in access mode (i.e. when reversing out of my garage)
- Heating sometimes blows cold air out of the centre when it should be blwoing warm air - when this happens I close the centre outlets.
- A rattle in or near the door somewhere when I go over rough terrain.
This is a very complex truck and none of these are unexpected,. They will no doubt all be sorted out.
Having read the manuals, I cannot help but think that this is more like an aircraft than a car. I assure you aircraft have issues like these all the time and need lots of work to keep them flying. That is not a problem, it's just what is needed. I am sure LR will sort out the issues, and provided they do, all will be OK.
The dealer and LR need to handle it well. LR marketing told me they had never heard of a car with suspension failure. (Yeah right). I am now driving a Saturn (groan), had to leave my credit card imprint, and had to argue to not have to pay $25 a day for taht "rental". All that is NOT good handling.
But no doubt they'll get it right eventually. The truck is great.
Michael
Just heard from Budds service department (I called them, not the other way around):
I am told they called Land Rover USA yesterday and are still awaiting a call back. So it seems I have missed my car for a day for no reason, and we are no further than we were - and I am still driving a Saturn.
I am still happy about the car, but I must say, am less impressed by the dealer or by Land Rover USA/Land Rover Canada. I mean, a new car like this surely warrants at least a "We are so sorry" call from LR, or from the dealer's owner, and a rental Land Rover rather than Saturn? Not to speak about LR USA not calling back my dealer.
OK, I am venting. Most of this is due to the tow company, not LR. Though the dealer did not call me this morning to tell me my truck had arrived over night.
Still waiting back on how much the dealer will pay me to take my truck off my hands. Any bets? I am guessing on a $55,000 car with 2000 miles I will lose $12500. I would be better off selling it outright to another person, but I am dying to know what LR will give me and to make my point that I am upset.
In the end it did arrive though. I expect these mystery phantom trucks are a good way to handle impatient customers.
i'm driving my second 04 Disco loaner in the one month i've owned the LR3, dealer is still trying to correct air bag problem; after reading all the horror stories i'm starting to think an 04 Discovery fully loaded was the way to go for a couple of years.
So far i've been behind the wheel of a Discovery as much as my LR3 and i'm actually starting to like it better ; less complicated , higher seating position, more compact in the city and much less expensive!
let's put it this way three strikes and they're out!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I paid msrp back on 12/25. Although, the dealer threw in and installed racks, mats, mud flaps and side moldings.
For iPod people as seen in the photos I purchased a Belkin charger/line out device which has worked well. The flexible neck extension makes it easy to just move my hand slightly off the steering wheel to access the dial on the iPod.
http://photos.yahoo.com/lenz-rashid@sbcglobal.net
Michael
In terms of experience with the vehicle, I just got back from Mammoth this past weekend. Got there while it was snowing, and it performed like a champ in "snow mode". Over 2,000 miles, not a single problem. I do have the Heavy Duty package, if that has anything to do with anything in regards to the stalling issue some people seem to be having.
So far it has been a fantastic vehicle. And it was fun to hook up a laptop to the Auxillary input and play a DVD through the car's speakers. Forget installing a DVD player if you have a laptop you could take along with you. Of course, the Auxillary works great for iPods too.
"CHECK AIR SUSPENSION FAULT THAT HAPPENED ON THE WEEKEND BUT OK RIGHT NOW. HOOK UP WDS AND GOT FAULT CODES. PUT DTC REPORTS ATTACHED TO WORK ORDER. CALLED HELPLINE., HELPLINE SAID TO REMOVE ALL CONNECTORS AT HEIGHT SESNORS CHECK FOR CORRISION OR WATER INGRESS MADE SURE SURGE SENSOR MOVE FREELY CLEARED CODES AND RECALIBRATED SYSTEM. REMOVED ALL 4 HEIGHT SESNORS AND CHECKED FOR CORRISION. CHECK OK ROAD TESTED OK."
So nothing actually found - we'll see how it behaves and whether it happens again -hopefully not.
It's as much of a pleasure to drive as before.. missed it and may Inever have to drive a Saturn again :-)
Michael
Since I leased through a third party, I also saved over $200 dollars a month when compared to Land Rover Capital group-other leasers can still refinance and save a bundle.
The truck is spectacular - utilitarian design, ride, space, visibility, gadgets. Unfortunately, the manuals are not 100% accurate in their information provided - front park distance control, rear stereo controls, certain stero functions.
I had checked with vizulogic, who makes the DVD systems located in the headrest, if they were going to release a version for the LR3 and they replied "I am sorry but we will not be making that vehicle due to a safety feature that can not be removed". Damn shame, would have looked great in the car. Any other ideas out there?
As far as any potential future problems with the car, I am concerned but not paralyzed by fear. I do feel for those members who have repeated problems, the treatment by the dealers is something which can be controlled, the problems of the car can't always. Anyway, the posts on this board did help tremendously in my determination to obtain an LR3. I hope I don't regret it.
All in all a wonderful ride. This is the new "family car" for my foreign in-laws when they are here in the States so I will have ample opportunity to drive it. Will keep posting my experiences, positive as well as negative.
Here's some links to a couple pics I took:
http://www.nweden.com/lr3_1.jpg
http://www.nweden.com/lr3_2.jpg
Before the rangey, i had a 95 disco - for me it was a great car. After the rangey, i had a 2001 x5 4.4 with sport package - great on dry roads but terrible in the snow - (if i wanted an update to that i would have got an audi a8)
I am 1800 miles into my lr3 (i spent 2 weeks in australia since i got it) - it's been great. I've done a 600 mi trip & 3 trips to mountains near here (seattle) - when we had decent snow (the ski areas are all closed here until we get more).
I've had no trouble (no stalls - i have gone up & down a few hills in seattle...)- the only issue i have had was when i accidentally pressed the yellow descent control button. I wonder if retrospect will show the dsc & mode controls to be in a really dumb location.
Interestingly, while in Australia, the Sydney Morning Herald had a review of a number of 4wds - including the lr3 (or disco3 down there) & x5. in that review the lr3's hydraulic system failed & it lost the review because the guy didn't trust land rovers "this time we got it right. no really. really, truly, we did" type comments. Unfortunately ,the review is not on their web site.
/iain
Sorry to hear about your suspension failure. Hopefully the dealer can identify the exact problem and it won't recur. Good luck and let us know what they find out.
Mine has been on order since late October...and now I've just been informed my arrival date has been changed from December (original) to January, to March...and now to May!!! It's a bit ridiculous and I may need to go hunting for one myself if this change to May is not an error.
I have been trying to ignore these nusances (i tell my dealer every time it happens) but they are getting to be too much. Especially after the car lost all of it's transmission fluid @ 400 miles and stranded my wife and kids 250 miles from home. And also after the day I got it back the oil light came on (plenty of oil) and would not go off until it was towed back to the dealer again.
The service rep has just visited my dealer and I am waiting to see what's going to be done.
Thanks to everyone for all the great info - and Happy Rovering to all.
I can't believe that the ARTIST - TITLE is not shown when playing the song. You could potentially have 900 songs in your dash (150x6), but you would have no way of knowing what song is playing or what to choose next?
LR please fix the ARTIST - TITLE problem with a software upgrade.
Has anyone successfully integrated a phone to the LR3 using the cradle?
I haven't yet had time to experiement more with MP3 data disc creation, but it seems you've resolved your issue. Good. My bit-rates average over 200Kbps normally and have no trouble generally... but like I said earlier, I've had a few scenarios where some were not found.