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If you think you have a lemon, it may be a good idea to get a free consultation with a lemon lawyer to make sure that time doesn't run out on your options while you are working with the dealer or manufacturer.
Steve, Host
However, about 3 weeks ago, I used armor-all LEATHER cleaning wipes; and it seems to work. This is probably not good for the plastic surface, but it looked so bad that that I was willing to chance it. And, so far, the hazing has not returned.
Also had the following problems:
1. airbag fault light came on after having driven the car a whopping 2 miles. They had to replace the airbag and it seems to have fixed the problem.
2. The ignition lock was sticking; they have ordered a new lock and will replace.
The people at the dealership are cooperative enough, but it seems that their (or Land Rover's) quality control isn't very good and they can't fix things right the first time.
Anyone else with a suspension light fault? What did they do to fix it?
is anyone else having this problem?
Thanks for the offer regarding the Nav DVD but we already have two of them (one that's used and one that's a backup) i found in Great Britain courtesy of eBay..and i got it for a tidy sum of about $5.00 so 300Euro discount from what the dealer was offering.
Incidentally, i've never had a problem with Service here regarding cars. I have great service from the bmwautohandlers for my bimmers, here in Amberg (Koch/JB Lell), Saubersdorf (Stauner) and Regensburg (Hoffman) and they have been more than accomodating. I'm fluent in german so that may help. I don't feel so guarded here as the germans do the work that needs to be done and don't invent problems in the cars like they do stateside (of which i've had this happen but that's a another story) I actually had to confront a stateside honda dealer's service manager as to what the supposed problem was (of course it was at least "$700") Turned out they forgot to reconnect my ECU and tried to pull a fast one as to why the car wasn't starting saying it was a problem with the distributor and ignition.
I am disappointed in LandRover's presence here in Germany but truly wasn't expecting much of a British Marque's influence here. I'm disappointed that we don't get the "free scheduled maintenance" but it's the standard 4.4litre jaguar engine which i'm familiar with. Besides, i can change my own oil. I even had to ask them to provide me with a loaner car and got one through our dealership as BMW does this for me without question. They even wash my car before returning it to me. :shades:
Thanks,
Nolan
The BMW you will love if you are more of a "driver" (i drove my wife's friend's V50 and it didn't have the right "feel" to me so guess i'm never going to be a volvo guy) With BMW, be prepared for silly little things to go wrong such as window and sunroof actuators to fail (second tier suppliers) that BMW never has seemed to remedy. On our E46's, they both had control arm and bushing failures but i think that's a small price to pay for the level of agility the cars exhibit (the 5 is a slightly different animal) There is a site called alldata, believe..google it to be sure..and it has all the recall and TSB numbers for cars that come up. Re: the stereo in BMW. Back in the early 90's BMW used to use some decent A/D/S drivers(speakers) for the stereo setup (same as Land Rover i believe on the earlier discos). When the E46 chassis came out, i'm not sure who they switched to but i assume it was proprietary HK (i could be wrong) The system is of course touted by BMW but to audiophiles, it carries some sort of noise cancellation algorithm that tends to affect certain frequencies thereby creating a somewhat "dead" soundstage. The problem is not considered major for people who aren't truly picky but if you are a stereo guy, it could drive you nuts. The little ghetto setup i installed in my miata sounds more "live" but that's due to a good head unit, Old School RF mosfet amplification and Boston Separates in the door followed by a sub set at the proper cutoff. I'm sure it's subjective, however..oh and i-drive isn't as bad as everyone bitches..notice how all the cars are going to some sort of interface? The worst has been DCX COMAND imho.
Funny thing, we also had a poorly installed moulding (rear passenger on the driver's side)
Did you get your LR3 from Autopieper? We had an appt. to look at one there but it turned out to be a demo and it was located in Stuttgart. The price she wanted was a little too high for a vehicle with miles (you could get a brand new one for a few bucks more)
You might be closer to the Pressath BMW dealer, no? If you buy from Andy (Automobile shopping center) then you'll take delivery there and he probably has something setup for you to have the car serviced there. I go to Koch because it's closer to where i live.
Btw, congratulations on the new 5. The styling grew on me in a way i didn't expect. And when people tell you it's a Bangle design, correct them and say it was designed by the dutchman, Adrian. I would like to buy a classic or something to go around to the car shows (hence one of the reasons for the LR3---towing..)with but i'm torn..esp. if the car companies keep making desirable new cars. I'd like to buy an m5, perhaps after the 1st year long term test information is released but for that money, i may jump marques again and go to Porsche or Aston (childhood dreams)..then there's that new Jag replacement for the S type in 2008..decisions decisions. :P
Someone once said that there is a direct correlation between the price of a vehicle and the amount you're willing to deal with it's idiosyncracies...eg. Ferrari and the $2500 timing belt change every 15000 miles. But you'd argue.."it's a Ferrari.."
David
St. Louis
Chawton White with black leather
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Joe
Kansas City
About hazing of door panels, Yes, I have noticed this when we got back last week from our 3-week vacation. I thought my kids were rubbing some white stuff with their filthy hands or scuffing it with their dirty shoes. But I also noticed that on the driver side. I don't think you can get rid of the white stuff by cleaning it with water. I tried to rub it with my firger but didn't do anything.
I recently purchased a loaded LR3 SE. Has ~2000 miles on it now. About 3 weeks ago my wife pulled it into the garage and noticed that fuel was pouring out of the rear of the car. She had just filled the tank. Gas cap was in place. We called our dealer to discuss the problem and they said to bring it in immediately. On the way to the dealer the LR3 died at stops lights. This was three weeks ago and that last time we have seen our LR3. LR service states that there is an issue with the fuel system design and that it is being redesigned. Recall??? Problem is that the parts are not available yet so we have paid for a $50,000+ car that we have not driven in almost a month. LR dealer has been great and provided a rental, but if I wanted to drive a jeep I would have purchased one.
Anyone else experience this problem?
BTW - This is our 4th LR over the past 6 years. Disco 1, Disco 2, Defender 90 and now an LR3. So I am an experienced LR owner and have always enjoyed the cars.
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My wife also purchased an FM modulator (yes i know, usu. a lot of possible alternator hum in these things) to connect the iPod. Now here's the catch.. The device is about 80$ retail but we picked it up for about 50. The brand is Monster which is a great company (started selling higher grade car audio cable, branched to home theatre etc) It plugs into the cigarette lighter, has a selector to tune to different frequencies on the radio and then plugs into the bottom of the iPod. Bottom line? It sounded very good surprisingly..no noise at all and the volume was better than those reporting to plugging in their iPod's through the accessory switch behind the storage box. (you don't even need to do that with this device) the only connection is the cigarette lighter..that's all! You don't have steering wheel controls but the ipod is right there at your fingertips and you already know how intuitive it is to use by touch. We just plug it in and use it as a digi jukebox for the road. (who needs satellite radio? :P )
So there you have it folks, try out my suggestions, play around with your bass/treble/fader/sub settings first and see if it works for you. I'd still like to get into the panels and paste on some sheets of dynamat which is what LandRover should have done in the first place but this was obviously the lessor of two evils. Plus save yourself a lot of hassle over using the aux input and just purchase the monster connector for your iPod. The thing works; i never would have given the device much credence until i heard it today
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9197 MONSTER® IPOD FM TRANSMITTER + CHARGER
This is the newer version which connects to your iPod via the docking connector and NOT the headphone output. (i'm not sure if there were problems with the previous generation) Plus it also doubles as a charger for the iPod
Just had 7500 mike service, 7700 miles and no major problems. A/C had low charge from factory, it was re charged and no problem since. Radio was replaced at delivery. I do have the door "hazing" problem and the dealer ordered new panels this week, hoping this will solve the problem. I did place a call to customer care about the hazing ten days ago and have yet to here back from them, that is very poor! Other wise the HSE that I have had since January is doing great. Dealer is great, always has a LR3 for me to drive while mine is in their care.
I'm really thinking that 63 days and some 12 trips to the dealership is "a reasonable number of attempts"
If it’s a lemon now it will be a lemon down the road!
Good luck!
re: Lemon Law (California), you really don't need an attorney in most cases... even if it gets to arbitration.
Anyway, anyone can read more about it starting here... http://www.thelemonlaw.org/links.htm
My only problem is a steering wheel squeek when it's in a certain position..will have that addressed soon..My mileage is still 18 +, so no complaints there either. I use the suspension settings - access mode and normal - several times a day and have had no issues with warnings, or the compressor. My wood kit also looks great and I get lots of compliments - even from BMW and MB owners - most think it's LR wood...and factory installed, ha ha..not a "shade tree" $ 210 job.
Well, good luck to all you poor, unlucky owners - may you someday have the joy of owning a "good" Rover.
We've had the LR3 since the end of '04 and have put almost 15K miles on it. We started having this issue after about 14K miles.
While the dependability of the car is a little questionable, the service at our dealer, Rockville Land Rover in MD, has been outstanding. Since we bought our car there, they always give us a loaner or when LR loaners are not available, they give us a rental. This time around, they gave us a pretty basic LR3.
I just got back from a trip from San Francisco to Hood River, Oregon for a windsurfing vacation. 700 miles one way and 11 1/2 hours of non-stop driving. I had a Yakima Rocket Box on the roof loaded with 50 pounds of windsurfing equipment and two windsurf boards mounted on the rack next to the box. I managed to get about 15.5 MPG for the whole trip. I think that was great mileage considering all the stuff I had on the roof.
The 11 hour drive was very comfortable in the LR3. Outside temps averaged 90 degrees and the A/C kept us very comfortable the whole trip. Having 2000 songs on the IPOD helps the drive too!
I am very happy so far with my LR3. I owned a 2003 Disco before getting this rig. I think the 11 hour road trip would have been a little less comfortable than the LR3.
Kevin
Speir
1) Stalling/surging problem appears all of a sudden... engine seems to die/start/die/start, over and over... if you put in neutral during this surging cycle, the tach drops to zero like a stone. This behaviour started a week ago and lasted 5 minutes, then happened again a few days later and lasted for a whole hour... not a fun drive in the mountains, a LONG way from any service station.
2) Engine warning light goes on and stays on until just yesterday, mysteriously goes off.
3) I have the windows open in the cool mountains. Swear I am smelling gas. Nobody else around... has to be me. I stop the vehicle... smell gas under the car... finally find gas pouring down over the righ rear exhaust... smoking... I thought the whole car was going to blow and cause a major forest fire incident. Gas was pouring out pretty steadily. I open the fuel door and remove the gas cap... sounds like gas is boiling angrily inside the tank... I mean loud. I closed the cap... didn't know what to do. Started the car again, went on, and still with the gas smell... I thought for sure I was going to leak out all the gas and be stranded in the middle of nowhere. I stopped the vehicle, turned off ignition and went off hiking for half an hour... hoping things would 'reset'... apparently they did. I restarted the car, no gas dripping, no boiling sounds from the tank, but still I had the surging business.
4) Offroad I have tried to use the HDC to walk me down a steep hill... guess what... HDC stalls the engine!
Very disappointing. And very dangerous... imagine you running over a cigarette butt in traffic and all of a sudden you are exploding in flames.
Over the last couple of weeks I noticed a low coolant warning appearing when braking hard or turning a corner. I called my local LR dealer and they advised to come in and have it checked out which I did. The coolant level was normal and is a defective sensor which they have a TSB about.
The last time I was at the dealer I asked them why the black door panels are starting to have this milky haze. They provided me with a product their detailer uses and corrected the appearance problem. While I was there today for the coolant issue I overheard the service manager talking about another LR3 with the same milky haze issue. Has anyone else noticed this condition on their vehicle with the black interior?
If you search for door panels, you'll see it from last week I think. I have the same problem; although Armor-All Leather Wipes seem to work at least for a few weeks. What product did they give you?
The reason I ask is that I have the black interior and have not seen any yet after two weeks, but my friend's who has the beige interior has the hazing on the black door panels where the speakers are located and he has only had his for a week.
See previous posting #2441 for an explanation of the cause.
Wonder if there is a negative pressure situation with the fuel, causing the engine stalling and the fuel dumping somehow in concert.
Engine stalled 4 times while we are on the highway. All the lights on the dashboard went on. The only thing we could figure is it must be low on gas or must be power to the engine. We made it to the gas station, put in a full tank.
Drove to get lunch. 30 minutes later, started car, just ran, then whole car "jerked" all lights came on again. We smelled gas. Looked back of car, entire fuel tank leaked out. Big hole in the fuel tank.
I call Land Rover, the specialist told me that I was the 4th one in last week to have this problem. I was told to call the Fire and Police department of the leak. Land Rover specialist told me when the fuel in the tank gets low and yellow caution light comes on, this means the gas tank is completely empty. There is a requirement of 2-3 gallons of gas when this "yellow" light comes on, BUT! apparently not!
The fuel intake keeps on "sucking in hot air", then coupled with the fact there is no reserve in the tank as required, extreme heat builds up and then the tank burst!
This is a dangerous mix up to happen. I was told this has happened and will happen on all models. Right now in England, Landrover is redesigning the fuel system. What a bunch of crock for a "SUV of the year". A $50,000 vehicle shouldn't put you in harms way!.
Well, my tank definitely did not burst, btw, I just had this strange temporal leak... after some 30-60 minutes, it seemed to go away. But I will not accept the vehicle back from LR until they give me a good explanation as to what the problem was and what the fix is.
I will not listen to ... 'well, we couldn't find anything wrong, and it doesn't seem to be leaking now...' ... I just will leave it at the dealer. And contact my atty.
But I am hopeful the dealer will work on this seriously.
p.s. I was no where near empty when I had my leak. About half full.