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Audi A4 2005+
I am wondering why there isn't much talk about the upcomiong changes to the A4 line happeneing in Feb or next year.
There are a lot of changes happening to the 2005 A6: Upgraded engines, Upgraded interior, New exterior design etc.
Anyone have any info. on possible engine upgrades for the 2005 A4. I imagine they need to change this and take advantage of the new A6 engines based on the threat of the BMW 3 series which is getting a totally new design change as well as a massive bump in horsepower for there base and upgraded engines for there 2005 new model.
There isn't much info on edmunds or autospies, just checking to see what other rumored info is out there.
Thanks
There are a lot of changes happening to the 2005 A6: Upgraded engines, Upgraded interior, New exterior design etc.
Anyone have any info. on possible engine upgrades for the 2005 A4. I imagine they need to change this and take advantage of the new A6 engines based on the threat of the BMW 3 series which is getting a totally new design change as well as a massive bump in horsepower for there base and upgraded engines for there 2005 new model.
There isn't much info on edmunds or autospies, just checking to see what other rumored info is out there.
Thanks
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If their A4 FWD is transverse, they probably could install DSG, but for some reason they don't want to (probably marketing reasons, FWD A4 is their low-end cars and tend to be "lighter" on gadget options). If it is longitudinal, they simply can't do it right now, even if they wanted to.
There was a similar problem with their CVT, which was good only for FWD. By the way, anybody knows what their plans for CVT are? I thought it was a great concept and had a good potential to replace traditional autos. They were saying they'd worked to mate it with AWD systems, but they have been quiet about it recently. Nissan is pushing CVT big time now, I would hate to see them abandoning the concept altogether.
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Naturally the new direct-injection V6 in the 2005 A4 will be present. Not a moment too soon I might add.
M
Audi is close to finishing its family-wide facelift. Our world-exclusive photographs prove that Ingolstadt’s new company face will be grafted on to the A4 with this autumn’s facelift.
Dominated by the vertical shield grille first seen on the A8 W12 and A6, the new nose is a radical move away from today’s rounded styling. Styling at the back is new, too, with A3 Sportback-inspired ‘stepped’ rear lights. Insiders claim that every body panel is new.
It’s not just new styling, either; Audi is preparing a series of major mechanical and interior changes to keep the A4 apace of the competition, which includes the recently revised Mercedes C-class and Alfa Romeo 156.
New engines are headed by a brace of new four-cylinder diesels, boasting a particulate filter and power outputs of 115, 140 and 175bhp. The petrol engines are all the same as in the A6, with several new V6s.
The cabin will be updated, too, with the arrival of Audi’s simplified multi-function controller, the MMI Multi-Media Interface.
The revised A4 will be shown this autumn, with UK sales due to start in early 2005. Saloon and Avant arrive together.
btw will there be any upgrade to the engine? im expecting a higher hp of course, along with better low torque acceleration.
I say bring on the new FSI V6 and V8.
If so, that should put the 0-60 around 6.2-6.4 sec i think.
What i would like is there to be another option for an engine upgrade inbetween the FSI V6 and the S4.
Any thoughts?
The next A5 (2008) will no doubt be bigger, as this is the trend today.
M
Thanks.
1. More HP & torque (2.0FSI 200HP 4 cylinder, turbo?) and 3.2FSI normally aspirated.
2. Corporate grill (big mouth or trout mouth) "look"
3. Interior changes including MMI and full screen DVD navigation and other electronic enchancements:
e.g., bluetooth, voice command.
No info on "rumor" of transmissions: presumption however is manual and tip ("why not?" 6spd, but no actual confirmation from dealer rep) both CVT and DSG are "I assume" (again no confirmation).
No answer on "will there be an S4?" Presumption is "yes -- but possibly as a carry over from '05 until new model ('06 or '07) arrives.
Much of this presumes that the corporate look and some options and engines are the big 2005.5 news; more of a refresh than a redo. Redo however is "about" one year hence (begging the question as an 06 or 07 model designation).
Hopefully even without any documentation, these are substantiated rumors. The most telling about them is that they seem to track with non-Audi affiliated web sites.
I personally would give them about a 85% "smell of truth" rating.
If that is the case as you mentioned previously, what exactly is left for the 2006 A4 model compared to the 2005.5 A4 model?
I am going back and forth on a A4 3.2 vs A6 3.2 or A6 4.2. Don't know if i can swallow 8k more for the 4.2 vs the 3.2 for 80 horsepower and 1 sec difference for 0-60 times.
What do you think?
I am so Audi biased that it has been paining me [somewhat] to think about these other cars -- but I shall give them a fair shake. One thing, the Cadillac STS is OFF the list at $62+K for the V8+AWD.
The new A4, 06 or 07 will have frame and body panel changes -- my understanding is that the frame gets stiffer and the car, overall, goes up a notch or two here and there (obviously Audi is feeling the pinch of all the other Premium and Near Premium cars as they move into AWD -- once Audi's differentiator in the Premium market). When all the competition offers AWD, Audi then has to up the ante in ALL areas, electronics, engines, transmissions, etc.
The times they B gettin' interesting!
Personally, there are so many positive upgrades for the exterior and interior of the 2005 A6 that there is no decision here. I just can't believe the new engine has that much more power to keep up with the older V8; and be 2-3k less even!
So i think I will go this fall for 2005 A6, now what are they going to charge for that V8??????????????
I use my Navi so much I can only assume that this "high zoot" option has or is becoming a necessity.
Of course, I also think it is WAY too pricey, but that is what demand does. Perhaps as Navi becomes more mainstream, the price will drop -- in fact I believe it already has started this downward trend.
I config'd a new car on the UK website and what really got to me was the price of the smart key -- it had better make coffee and pick up drycleaning for the price they want for it at least on THAT side of the pond. Check it out on the audi uk web site.
I'll stick with the new version both for milage and cost, your performance point is also well put.
Anyone have an updated info on the 2005.5 / 2006 A4 coming out next year. We are getting a lot more info now on the A6 with its arrival in Nov. I am very curious when we should start to get some definitive info on the 2005.5 change and if there will be a 2006 change for the A4. If so, when and what will each of those changes be?
Mark, next time you hit the dealer, would you mind inquiring for me.
Thanks
Dealer says 2.0 200HP 4 cylinder direct injection engine (turbo?). Assumes 3.2 V6 and no more 3.0 or 1.8T (more's the pity, if you ask me -- I think the 225HP 1.8T would have been perfect for the A4 -- but no one consulted me).
Trout mouth grill -- longer wheelbase (assumed, but unknown -- if not, I can only assume there will be a bit longer A4 later '06?
No info, period on S4 -- you can order one (a 2005) right now but it cannot be had with the full screen navi and blue tooth -- not yet anyway.
The A4 if it would grow in wheelbase about 1.5 to 2.0 inches and offer a 6speed manual, DSG and tip in quattro form and CVT in FWD form (can you say torque steer?) also offer the 3.2L 255HP FSI V6, interior upgrades to match the look of the A6, and some other amenities (sport performance and luxury comfort, etc.) would -- for about 15 minutes, be the king of the sport sedan.
The A4 needs to "mate" with an Acura TL for the luxo stuff, and mate with the current S4 for some performance features and take several cues from the upcoming A6 -- now that would be something.
I, for one, hope that an S-Line [+ultra sport?] A4 (with the 3.2 and the S4's manual shifter) would come to market in about 1 year (or sooner).
On the other hand, it often seems that dealers are the last to know.
Seriously, Audi has a "concern" that its owner will order the cars with or replace the stock tires with "all season" rubber. Now, we all know there are UHP all season tires with speed ratings above 130mph. However, this does not mean that you will match your tires to your car when you repurchase. Audi, feeling perhaps that it has been stung before, therefore limits its cars to the speed maximum of an "H" rated tire.
There may be logic or merit to doing this -- personally, and they never asked me, I don't think this limiter is needed. On the other hand, here in "the heart of America" our max speed limit is 65mph. Having a car that can go twice as fast as the legal limit has, rarely, proven to be a problem.
Besides, if you know about Audis, you know that there is a chip that can be updated or replaced or flashed to remove the limit. Overall, this, for most of us, "ain't no thang!"
Audi and power is another issue. The performance as measured by acceleration is "in the game" for most of the Audis that mere mortals can afford -- but I agree it almost always seems that the Audis are at the high end of the acceleration times of the competition -- except in the S and RS models where they sometimes even lead the pack.
The S4 and RS 6 have no fear of horsepower or torque and do seem to be or lead the game -- for about 15 minutes [of fame]. The Sline A6 with its low end torque is also very powerful and in many ways is a bargain when compared with the 530 Bimmer and E320 Merc -- and I believe it beats both of them in 0-60 times when all are equipped with auto trans and the Audi would be the only one in this elite group with AWD, which some of us think is a plus.
The 1.8T 4 and 3.0 6 cylinder engines are, as you suggest, however, anemic when compared with the more or less comparable 3 series Bimmers.
Audi "used" to have a justification for this -- beats me if they still hang their hats on this: FWD.
You see, Audis sell, here in NA, mostly -- by far -- quattros. Elsewhere, most Audis are available with FWD alone. We all know about torque steer and Audi, like others, has done a fine job in engineering Torque Steer out of its FWD cars -- but frankly high HP and Torque are killing (in this order) FWD and RWD -- and if they are not literally killing two wheel driven cars, they are at least forcing all car manufacturers to offer now or in the very near future all of their High Performance cars in all wheel drive.
Historically, Audi would limit a car that could be had with FWD to a "base maximum" of ~ 200HP. The 3.0 V6 @ 220 HP and relatively low torque and taller final drive ratio was allowed to be offered in an FWD A4 and A6. The more power and torque Audi comes up with, the more it must offer such power and toque in quattro equipped cars.
This time, this example, for instance, you might chalk up the reasons to "marketing" or as Mel Brooks would say, "moichendizing!"
Audi has several very powerful engines and cars that it can point to -- both now and "coming soon." It remains to be seen if both of the artificial points (speed limiting and high hp and torque in the less than super exotic versions) will be addressed as Audi moves forward and moves to reduce or eliminate the final "hold back" -- the sharing of drivetrains with VW.
Time will tell.
She swears she will go with the next gen A4 (Feb or so 2005) with the FSI 2.0L engine (and the 6speed). She may find the 3.2L A4 with the stick to be more to her liking (after all this new "intermediate" A4 will be a mini-A6, as the A6 is a mini-A8, etc., and with 255HP, the A4 thusly equipped will have 5 more HP than the last generation S4, even though the torque will be down a few pounds from the "old" S4 variant.)
She did, recently, test drive the S4, but -- believe it or else -- said she didn't need THAT much power.
The move to the updated A4 for her will be, in her mind, moving to a BIG car. We'll see about the engine.
The point is, that Audi's NA A4's [for example]will come in (99% certain) 4 flavors:
1. 2.0L 16v 4 cyc @ 200HP (turbo) A4
2. 3.2L 24v 6 cyc @ 255HP (normally aspirated) A4
3. 4.2L 40v 8 cyc @ 340HP (normally aspirated) S4
4. 4.2L 40v 8 cyc @ 450HP (turbo [estimated HP]) RS 4
None of them will be slouches when it comes to performance, and #1, assuming Audi allows it to be equipped with power everything, Ultra Sport, 18" wheels and tires, 6 speed manual, great sound, sport seats, leather everything, bla bla bla -- full screen navi and a partridge in a pear tree, ought to be a fine performing car, and probably a bargain to boot. Then, with #1, somebody will come out with this, that and the other chip, suspension mod, etc etc etc and crank it to +25% HP and +33% torque and so and so and so and so. . . .
I know I have asked this of you before, but it seems like something is missing. If the Feb 2005.5 A4 is coming out with the new A6 3.2 engine as well as the new trout mouth and body style, navi and all the other options the new A6 is offering this Oct.; what exactly would be left to change for the 2006 A4?
Also, when do you think Audi will start to talk about this car more?
So here goes;
I wanted my Audi A 4 yesterday, so I made my order today.
2005 Audi A4 1.8 T CVT
ultra sport
premium
cold weather
xenon lights
dolphin gray, ebony leather int
$32400 out the door
delivery to be mid October, highly anticipating pick up!
The S4 is a question too -- but the salesfolks at my Audi store cannot imagine no S4, or at least not for long. There is still at this moment a 2005 S4 that can be ordered.
Thanks.
The 6 speed tip in the S4 can "get out of its own way" but then again you have the extra gear and the monster engine at your command.
The 1.8T, almost seems better suited to the tip, but driving one of these with even one passenger, makes you wish for an extra gerbil or two under the hood -- the stick transmission versions are totally transformed.
Wish I could give a real answer, but I would be shocked if it was only on the 3.2 and S4 (and RS 4?) versions for next year.
Uh, well, I've been shocked before. . .sorry to say.
An S4 Avant DSG... yummmmm!
I took the Mrs. to our local Audi lot on Sunday to prime the pumps so to speak, and after perusing some 3.0 Avants, we took out an S4 Avant, and I made sure she drove it. Worked far better than even I had planned. I now have an unfettered green flag from my l'il CFO to do the lease when my current one is up!
just my opinion
That's your next gen, I believe.
Hey! Who let that guy in here?
;-)
On top speeds: I'm in an IS300 SportCross. I believe the top speed is somewhere around 145. I've hovered around 130 a couple/three times early AM on I5 between here and Fresno, or on 101 near Santa Maria, and I drive. Real joy for me hasn't been found over 100 on any public road, but rather it has been running a set of backroad curves posted for 35 at more like 70, scared to death that me an' Bambi was a-gonna meet unexpected like!
Now that's driving (IMO, of course)!
Yes, I would differentiate between fast and quick. I have not had any quarrel with Audis in term of "how fast they go." It would be virtually impossible to ever exceed 120mph let alone 130mph. The quickness is what I hope to have from my cars -- Audis (generally) are not in the top quartile of quickness, often around mid pack and sometimes worse (until you get to the S and RS models). This has changed slowly over the years, but most Audis are not stop light kings (or queens) by any stretch.
My allroad (6spd manual) is probably quicker than most of its competition, but this is probably an anomaly since not very many of them came with stick shifts (0-60 6.8 seconds).
The new A6 with a V6 is reported to be 0-60 6.9 seconds and this is probably "with the wind" as Audi probably felt that the price of admission in this class is sub 7 second acceleration.
So, you're right -- I do parse. . .
But, as I noted, removing the speed limiter is, as Radar O'Reilly would say, "a three call change." Not a biggie if you must run above 130mph.
Santa Maria is best known for Red Oak smoked tri-tip. It's served with salsa down there, and it's remarkably good! Whole lot of vineyards and wineries down that way too! At some point, I wouldn't mind retiring to a horse property down there; maybe spend my autumn years breeding draught horses! :-)
My office in SF was across the street in the Phelan building up on the 11th floor. Some of the best days of my youth!
Mark: Was I right? Is that new NAV in the A8L pretty much the next gen model for Audi? Also, do you think we'll see a DSG S4 Avant here? By MY '06? I believe I'm going to need that...
;-)
I also live in Northern Calif. I grew up in Marin and moved to Santa Cruz after college ( chico state) 10 years ago. I love driving 17 but haven't had a real fun car in a while to do it in.
Most of our driving is the 0-80. MT. Tam, Bolinas and Bodega Bay, Hwy 1, Hwy 17, Big Sur etc.
I have gone to a number of Audi dealerships in the Bay Area, Monterey, San Jose, and Marin. All of them suck except marin. So for me that is a 2 hour drive to get 2005 info.
Funny though, because I also in the past purchased my suits at Macy's but now have the $1500 taste at Nordstrom for the Zegna suits.
I am purchasing an Audi at the end of this year, either the A6 or the A4 (feb). I feel for myself the cabin in the current A4 is a little small and the car is underpowered (currently). Also the center console pushes in against my right leg. With the refresh it is getting in feb as a 2005.5 and a 255 hp engine i think it would be worth taking a look at. I just hope it gets a little larger in the width and length and more interior cabin room like the 05'A6 is getting over the 04' A6.
Any other dealers in the Bay Area you guys have had good experiences with?