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Hyundai Sonata 2006-2007

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  • mononeomononeo Posts: 89
    source: http://www.worldwide.hyundai-motor.com/

    The following is a press-release from Hyundai on April 4, 2005:

    " Visits Chairman Chung and pledges total commitment to ensure future success of HMMA

    (Seoul, Korea) Montgomery Mayor Bobby N. Bright and a high level delegation of local county and chamber of commerce officials paid a courtesy call on Chung Mong-Koo, Chairman and CEO of Hyundai Kia Automotive Motor Group, at his office today and together pledged their full commitment to the success of Hyundai Motor Manufacturing Alabama (HMMA).

    The officials included Montgomery County Commissioner Todd Strange, Berry Grant, Chairman of the Montgomery Industrial Development Board and Carlton Baker, Chairman of the Montgomery Chamber of Commerce.

    Concluding a several month-long period of trial production, HMMA is scheduled to begin full scale operations this week with the first Sonatas scheduled for deliveries to U.S. dealer showrooms in May.

    The first U.S.-manufactured Sonata debuted in January at the North American International Auto Show in Detroit.

    The Montgomery, Alabama plant has been under construction since April 2002 and represents a US$1.1 billion investment for Hyundai. Capable of manufacturing 300,000 units annually, the plant complex includes a stamping facility, an engine shop where the all-new Lambda 3.3-liter V-6 engine is produced and a two mile-long test track. The plant alone will create over 2,000 new jobs while the 64 Hyundai suppliers who have invested some US$477 million in the state will create another 4,423 additional jobs.

    Established in 1967, Hyundai Motor Co. has grown into the Hyundai Kia Automotive Group which includes over two dozen auto-related subsidiaries and affiliates. Employing over 50,000 people worldwide, Hyundai Motor posted US$26.1 billion in sales in 2004 (on a non-consolidated basis). Hyundai motor vehicles are sold in 193 countries through some 5000 dealerships and showrooms. Hyundai Motor Co. is a sponsor of the 2006 FIFA Germany World Cup. Further information about Hyundai Motor Co. and its products is available at http://www.hyundai-motor.com"

    MAY IS THE RELEASE DATE
  • iluvmysephia1iluvmysephia1 Posts: 5,707
    there. Can't wait to see 'em out on U.S. roads, the new '06 Hyundai Sonata. ;)

    2011 Kia Soul Sport 5-speed

  • zupzup Posts: 15
    Check it out, hyundai just released an e-brochure for the '06 Sonata on its website:

    http://worldwide.hyundai-motor.com/common/html/showroom/passenger/sonata/focus.html

    Most of the pictures are from their website, but they are eye candy nonthlessly.
  • delta4delta4 Posts: 138
    March '05 sales figures have just been released and Hyundai's numbers are again gaining momentum over last year's YTD numbers. Surprisingly some well know brands aren't doing as well as you might think. click here to check out the details: http://www.freep.com/money/autonews/sales-cht12e_20050402.htm
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,733
    This is really incredible. Note that Hyundai is the fastest-growing automaker, except for Maserati (which went from 165 to 309 cars sold--big whoop). And this was with a very old lineup, with the Tucson the only new vehicle since the low-volume Tiburon debuted for 2002. Can you imagine what will happen to Hyundai's sales figures once the all-new Sonata hits dealers, followed by the all-new-Accent, Azera, Santa Fe, and Elantra in the coming months? Within a year Hyundai will have the newest lineup of any automaker. (Kia will be close, but will still have the Amanti and Sorento).
  • alpha01alpha01 Posts: 4,747
    Of note is that,as a result of the age of the lineup, all Hyundai models carry a substantial rebate, in many cases around 10-15% of the selling price. The real news will be when Hyundai releases its new models and can take price on these excellent vehilces. One would hope that the added margins would result in greater investment in R&D spending, and more and better products! I would imagine the next 2-4 years to be a great time to be a Hyundai salesperson!!

    ~alpha
  • From the factory web site :

    "The Sonata¡¯s big wheel t/tyre combination (225/50 VR17)"

    That's the same as a bimmer 545 and it ought to look great with the dual exhaust, even if it isn't fast.
  • delta4delta4 Posts: 138
    backy yes indeed. And most recently I read in either Autoweek that both Toyota and GM view Hyundai as a potential threat to their market share. There should be no doubt that Hyundai is definitely a mover and a shaker. They've learned from their past mistakes and learned what works and what they are doing is working. Their growing sales numbers back that up.
  • Hi there. I am probably one of the younger Sonata owners here (26 y/o). I wasn't too sure about Hyundai when I bought my Sonata LX a few years ago but 54K miles later I am a firm believer in H. quality!

    I am extremely excited about the new Sonata. Does anyone know if it will include a rear sunshade (will it be powered)? Also, any news on if there will be automatic headlights? Rain-sensing wipers? DVD nav? Backup sensors?

    Wishful thinking!

    Oh I just can't wait till the new models arrive! My dealer knows so little about the new models that I feel like I'm always informing him when I come in...sort of drives me crazy that he doesn't know when he will get the new models!
  • jrock65jrock65 Posts: 1,371
    The new Sonata should be a very good seller for Hyundai.

    BTW, apparently, Hyundai owns a little less than 50% of Kia. Who owns the other 50%?
  • smith20smith20 Posts: 256
    Yes, I'm definitely looking forward to seeing it in person after reading others' personal accounts of seeing the in showrooms or on the road. According to Kia's website, Hyundai owns 51% . . . I'd guess the other 49% are publicly traded shares on the Korean stock market.
  • iluvmysephia1iluvmysephia1 Posts: 5,707
    may very well be family-owned in South Korea. We'll get an answer soon on this, I think. If anybody knows post the answer in here, OK? It may be partially family-owned and the rest publicly-traded stock owned. I recall reading something on this a few weeks ago but don't remember all the details.

    2011 Kia Soul Sport 5-speed

  • iluvmysephia1iluvmysephia1 Posts: 5,707
    Hyundai Sonata on that link looks ever so sweet, guys. If I'm not sadly mistaken that rear-end view shows the same car that we'll be getting here in America. ;) ;)

    2011 Kia Soul Sport 5-speed

  • mononeomononeo Posts: 89
    Am I the only person that does not see any links or pictures?
  • Wow that is a fantastic looking car! It has very aggressive looks and great lines all around. After seeing the pics that were just posted I have to say...it doesn't look so average and plain like others claim. THANK YOU qristofer!

    Does anyone know if the American version will include blinkers on the sides like the Korean version pictured? What about back-up sensors/radar?

    I tried using the hyundaisonata.com website to find out but it has such small pictures pics (at least on my computer) that it is difficult to see if these features are included...or if the vehicle featured is not the LX version. Not to mention the hyundai site is light on information.

    I would love to see the MPG for the 3.3 Lambda.
  • What does anyone think about buying a new Sonata? Get a 2005 now with the $2000 rebate or wait for the new 2006? The new one will probably be more luxurious from what I have read, but also more expensive and probably no cash incentives. I was wondering if the resale value on the old Sonata's would be positively or negatively impacted by the release of the new 2006 model.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,733
    Why not wait a few weeks, drive both, and then decide? The incentives won't disappear on the old Sonatas when the new ones come out. I remember when the all-new '01 Elantra came out, there were big incentives on the '00s. (But when I drove the '01, it was so much better than the '00 I knew I had to have it even though it cost more than the '00.) Might want to keep an eye on stock at your local dealers though, to make sure they still have some '05s when the new ones arrive.
  • danf1danf1 Posts: 935
    There are a lot of 05's left. I would take backy's advice and drive both. The 06 will cost you more, but it will probably be worth it.
  • gogophers1gogophers1 Posts: 218
    The "old" Sonata was rated as CR's most reliable car in the April Auto Issue with something like 2 problems per 100 vehicles. It's a safe bet the '06 won't post the same numbers, at least not the first year out of the gate.
  • nick0924nick0924 Posts: 13
    I have read this board for the first time today.

    We own a 1993 Honda Accord LX, 4-dr, original owner, we drive a lot, it has
    272,5xx miles, uses no oil, no major problems.
    On highway driving it gets 30 to 31 mpg (we drive a bit over the speed limit).
    Automatic, 4-cyl, 2.4L I think.

    We also own a 2003 Sonata, automatic, 4-cylinder. It has 24,XXX miles on it.
    Best highway milage is 28-29 mpg, city (we are not really city, but rural city) is
    so terrible, 21, 22 sometimes 17.

    I change oil/filter on the cars every 3,000. I use manufacturer's filters and rings.
    The oil in the Sonata gets really dirty by 3,000 compared to the Honda.

    We have gone to 3 Hyundai dealers for service; Lebanon, Reading and Harrisburg
    Pa. They charge so much more than Honda dealers for routine things.
    They are rude, they do not find anything wrong under the warranty; they
    don't hear noise, they don't hear screeches when the car backs out when
    cold (even if you bring it in the day before so that they can get a cold start).
    They do not like warranty work; service manager and mechanic says "we did
    not hear anything".

    I find the Hyundai routine service far costlier than Honda service, which is not cheap itself!! And I have key things done by dealers and use dealer parts.

    We bought the Sonata in Maryland at Antwerpen Hyundai; that was positive;
    no trade, with rebate we got the car new in May of 2003 for $13,500 internet
    price not including tax and tags (tags were nominal, about $37).

    I toured the Hyundai factory in South Korea that makes Sonatas, XGs and
    Kia Amantis (yes the Kia Amantai is made in the Hyundai plant).

    The quality control at Hyundai is better than at Kia plants, they are still
    a bit disorganized in Kia assembly.

    In Hyundai plant, Bldg-1 has robots and few people monitoring the computers and
    us visitors; its all robots, they stamp and weld the car; the assembly lines
    are not straight line, they go straight, then make a U-turn and come back, then
    another U-turn, over and over, it is more efficient that way.

    Building-2 is the "clean room"; specialists "hit" the hoods or doors, etc., to
    make the metal line up (if it does not) and then the cars move and get painted
    by spray robots. Oh, the cars on the 2 moving lines are interchanged, 3
    sonatas, 1 XG, 2 sonatas, I amanati, etc. and the robots know which sheet
    metal to use, which color to paint for each different car.

    Bildg-3 is where the humans live, here they assemble the car, I think for every
    2 assembly people there is 1 quality control person who inspects and attaches
    a green sticker or paints a green mark with a small paint roller; there are 2 lines
    moving, in the middle is a rest area in which the workers take a break while
    others substitute. Each car is driven on an oval test track when it is assembled; we drove in the XG; cars with problems are pulled off to the side and problems
    are recorded on reports.

    Bldg-4 is where all the engines are made for all Hyundai and Kia vehicles.
    It is fairly automated, but also requires humans at many steps.

    Due to a shortage of 6-cylinder pistons, many are purchased from jobbers.
    One reason I bought a 4-cylinder Sonata was to have the proven 4-cyl engine
    rather than the new 6; also for slightly better gas milage, which I think is poor.

    My 2003 Sonata looks good, but most things are slighly skimped to reduce
    cost. Sonata prices climbed substantially after the Hyundai strike in which
    Hyundai gave very significant wage increases and reduced the work week
    (over time) from 5.5 days to 5 days (they used to work half of Saturday).

    The 2005 Sonata in Korea is the new 2006 Sonata in America, tested in
    Korea first. In person, it looks much closer to the Acura than A6 or Accord.
    The front does not really look that pleasing; my wife thinks it resembles
    the old Elantra. If you look at the new Elantra from the rear, you can see
    resemblance to the current 2003-2005 American Sonata. They seem to
    change the smaller car styling to resemble the bigger cars as the bigger
    car style changes.

    WHAT WILL THE GAS MILLEAGE BE ON THE NEW 4 cyl 2.4 ENGINE????

    Will it match Honda Accords? I tend to really doubt it. Gas prices are
    going up, up and away and Hyundai has really misjudged that.

    Most of the smaller Hyundais and Kias do not get much better milage
    than the Sonata; yet small Toyotas and small Hondas get better milage
    than Accords or Camrys, and Accords and Camrays get better mileage
    than Sonatas.

    Hyundai copies other cars too much; Honda has a Honda look that evolves,
    Toyota has a Toyota look that evolves thru time, you can see the change
    and the non-change and the evolution; Hyundai just changes abrubtly, part
    Jaguar, part Mercedes, part Chrysler, etc. in the 2003 Sonata.

    Hyundai does not understand that they are a major player and need a Hyundai
    look; they copy too overtly rather than progress in style.

    Hyundais are not as good as Hondas or Toyotas and regardless of what you
    write, they do not hold their price as well in resale; Hyundais are better than
    American cars in quality today; they also had a very significant price advantage, which is slowly disappering.

    I am writing this like a science report, thinking of facts rather than emotions.

    Hyundai is getting better much faster than Honda, Toyata and "Datsun"
    improved, but they are not there yet; maybe this new car will get them there,
    don't know; but most Hyundai service garages are not a good experience;
    that really requires improvement.
    dis
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,733
    I am writing this like a science report, thinking of facts rather than emotions.

    Actually, much of what you wrote is opinion--which is fine, but let's separate facts from opinion/emotion. All the comments on styling, for example, are purely subjective. And I disagree with most of them. For example, I don't think there is any similarity whatsoever between the new Sonata and the "old Elantra", if by that you mean the '96-'00 Elantra. I also see little resemblence between the "new Elantra" (if you mean the current generation) and the old Sonata. And I own two Elantras from that generation. If anything, the rear end of the current Elantra sedan is reminicent of the XG.

    As for the look of Hondas and Toyotas... take a good look at the Accord, Civic, CR-V, Element, Pilot, SU2000, Odyssey. Do you see much similarity across those models? I don't. How about the Avalon, Camry, Corolla, Matrix, RAV4, 4Runner. I don't see much family resemblence across those models either. The hatchback Corolla (Matrix) looks like a totally different car than the sedan, for example. But if you look at current Hyundai models, you do see some family resemblence between the XG and Elantra, Accent and Elantra, Sonata and XG. And looking at the new models, there is a family personality taking shape with the crisper, less busy lines of the Tuscon, Sonata, Accent, and Santa Fe. The Azera has distinctive flowing lines, but I think that may be intentional to set that car apart in the lineup.

    As for facts on mpg: '01 Elantra, 2.0L, 5-speed: 27-30 city, 38-41 hwy average mpg. '04 Elantra, 2.0L, automatic: 24-26 city, 38 hwy. From what I've read in the Civic and Corolla discussions, these numbers are not far off the mpg numbers for those smaller-engined, lower-powered cars. Can the new Sonata achieve close to the numbers for the Accord and Camry? We'll see.

    Thanks for all the details on the manufacturing process--very interesting!
  • alpha01alpha01 Posts: 4,747
    From Consumer Reports tests of the Civic 1.7L VTEC, the Elantra 2.0L and the Corolla 1.8L, all tested with automatics (Civic and Elantra May 2005, Corolla June 2002):

    Figures are City/Highway/Overall on CR's loop which they put every car through:

    Civic: 21/40/29
    Elantra: 16/33/24
    Corolla: 20/40/29

    Note: Only the Corolla hit 60 MPH in under 10 seconds in their testing, as well.

    Backy, the new Sonata may be a different story (I actually would bet the house on it), but historically, Hyundai's engines have not compared to the efficiency profiles of those in competing Hondas/Toyotas.

    ~alpha
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,733
    I will withhold replying in detail to avoid getting further off topic. But one thing to consider is that the Beta engine takes significant miles to "loosen up", and after that point fuel economy increases markedly; for my Elantras, on the order of 15-20%. So what CR and other testers get on their tests will be less than what owners get over time. I don't know if that is true with Hondas and Toyotas or not, but I've owned both and didn't notice such a big difference as with the Hyundais.

    So I wonder if the new engines in the Sonata will have that characteristic, since they are a new design?
  • nick0924nick0924 Posts: 13
    I did not mean similarity between Sonata, SantaFe, etc., but a visible evolutionary
    similarity between Sonata to Sonata as the years progress. You can look at
    Accords, or Civics or Cavaliers thru time and see changes, non-changes and
    evolutionary changes that still resemble the previous years' cars of that model.

    Hyundai sometimes just starts all over and copies at that. When one is confident,
    one changes one's own look rather than trying to dress or look like someone
    else. Hyundai Sonata needs to look like a Hyundai Sonata and then evolve, rather
    then excel in a collage of other competitors. Collage lacks unity. I don't think
    Jaguar copied anyone that strongly, I don't think Accord copies anyone that
    strongly, but Hyundai seems to think to make it, they need the rear of the
    Sonata to look like X, and side to look like Y and front to look like Z. Make it look
    like an evolving Sonata. You will then gain both confidence and stature.
    The car is too good to need that much copying, it hurts it.

    I don't mean to fight or disagree with anyone, it is what I perceive.
    I will not be posting again and again regarding these issues as I have seen
    others do. These are my first two posts to the boards; I went thru them all today searching for what the estimated mileage will be on the 2006 4 cyl automatic Sonata.

    If anyone knows that, or if I missed it, please post it for me. I would like to
    replace the 2003 Sonata if mileage is better; I need a Korean car, my wife is
    Korean but the city/mixed mileage really kills us.

    The 2005 Elantra, if you look at the rear taillights, trunk, etc., as well as one
    of the smaller Kias has some very similar looks to the 2003-2005 American
    Sonata; and that is OK; I'm just pointing out that they appear to give the smaller
    cars the look of the previous larger car as the larger car look changes. It is a good
    idea because if one can only afford a smaller car, they still can get the look of
    what the bigger model used to look like and look forward later to moving up.

    I am not a typical car owner, we put very many miles on our cars, keep them long
    and service them religiously. I have been disappointed that the smaller 4 cyl engine
    (which is enough power for us) in the automatic Sonata gets less mileage than
    the 1993 automatic Accord on highways and much, much less in city/mixed
    driving. New Accords and Toyota Camrys get more mileage in city/hiway than
    their older models, thus Hyundai has somehow misjudged the situation; I think the difference between an automatic Elantra and automatic Sonata is not
    great, but the difference between an automatic Civic and automatic
    Accord is greater.

    As I wrote before, Hyundai has made great strides in improvement at a much
    faster rate than Honda, Toyota and Datsun did; it took Japan a long time to
    eliminate problems, mechanical, rust, everything; their main thing initially
    was price; those early Accords used to rust everywhere, evene around the windshield.

    Hyundai engine life is probably second to Honda, which is really great.

    The automation in their new Hyundai factories is unparalled, second to none.
    We were very fortunate to get the tour; my wife's family has a small business
    that makes offsite parts for the Hyundai and Kia cars. They also purchse
    cylinders with rings for the six cylinder engines from someone else and resell
    to Hyundai; now that scares me. Hyundai cannot make enough of the pistons
    though they do make the blocks and heads and valves.

    We had to wait 16 months to get touch-up paint for the Sonata in our
    white color (not pearl white but noble white). Some things like head
    gaskets are unavailble for Kias in America because they (Hyundai) did not forsee
    them as failing that quickly. So Kia dealers have to cut them from generic
    material and they leak. These are some of the problems that I'm sure they will
    outgrow in time but can be troublesome now.

    Does anyone have an estimate of gas mileage for the 2006 4-cyl automatic Sonata?
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,733
    EPA 24 city, 33 highway (34 highway with stick shift).

    http://www.hyundaisonata.com/Specifications.aspx

    BTW, respectful disagreement is common in these discussions. Disagreement is not attacking someone, but expressing a difference of opinion. It is not expected everyone on these discussions will agree on every point.
  • codata99codata99 Posts: 123
    The Amanti is built at Kia's own assembly plant in Hwasung.

    When did this "tour" take place? :confuse:

    http://www.motorista.com.ph/features/feature_100103c.html
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