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2007 Toyota Camry

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  • lmacmillmacmil Posts: 1,756
    Let's see, GM lost $10 billion dollars last year and Toyota made about that much. So whose business practices make more sense? The fact that you can't order exactly the Camry you want didn't prevent people from buying more than 400,000 of them.

    Enjoy your Pontiac.
  • kdhspyderkdhspyder Posts: 7,160
    This is false but you are entitled to your opinion.
  • kdhspyderkdhspyder Posts: 7,160
    One of the reasons for the success of Toyota and Honda and soon Hyundai is that they build for what the majority of the market actually wants to buy. Therefore they get the largest segment of buyers through their doors then out onto the road.

    Customers wanting specialized vehicles do have the option of buying from the smaller specialized nameplates like Pontiac and Mazda. Everyone is happy.
  • hansiennahansienna Posts: 2,312
    Japanese ones are put together better than American made?
    This opinion reminds me of the same rascist superiority thinking that was prevalent almost 70 years ago on the European continent.
  • ix1is1ix1is1 Posts: 55
    A toyota tech gave me the low beam bulb size of 9006. Is the H11's size pretty much the same as 9006? Thanks
  • poorcruzerpoorcruzer Posts: 141
    Easy people... While in the past there was a noticable difference in quality between a vehicle put together in Japan as opposed to one put together in North America. I personally feel that is no longer the case with certain manufacters. You will notice I wrote North America, as the Japanese build a huge amount of cars in Canada. The Suzuki Grand Vitara/Vitara, Toyota's Corolla, Matrix, and soon to be Rav and Hino trucks, Honda's Civic, Odessy, and Ridgeline are some of the vehicles produced in Canada. These vehicles are among the top of any quality list. It is my own opinion that the Japanese and Korean manufacters are learning to work with us North Americans and we should learn to work with them. :shades:
  • captain2captain2 Posts: 3,971
    for those of us that remember - the US mfgrs. were put out of the 'small' car business in the 70's - when it started. Never able to build anything other than a V8, and the only thing they can come up with is atrocities like Pintos, Vegas and Omnis, In the meanwhile Toyota has the Corona and Corolla, Datsun the 510, and Honda the Accord/Civic a few years later. It was no contest especially in the clutches of our first 'fuel crisis'. So GM and Ford, in particular, have only been able to make any money because of all those V8 powered trucks and SUVs. And the mfgrs. don't make any money 'selling' cars to Hertz, Avis, corporations, and governemntal agencies - which is why you see very few Japanese (use that term advisedly, the Camry is more of an American car than the Focus, for example) cars at the rental lots.
    So now - deja vu - gas is $3+ a gallon, and the 'Detroit' mfgrs. still can't seem to manufacture a competitive 4 or 6 cylinder engine in cars that are reasonably well put together; and, of course, do not have the money anymore to do anything with product development (further sealing their fate). And although it may somehow make the consumer feel good to be able to buy a car at a few thousand dollars under invoice, I assure you that it does GM/Ford/Chrysler no good at all. Then, those same buyers wonder why that same 'deal car' has lost outrageous portions of its value shortly after leaving the showroom. The Koreans, after a few yeats of teething problems can seemingly make cars now competitive to many of the Japanese makes, but not so with GM/Ford/Chrysler.
    I'll contend that there are a number of us in this country that would prefer to buy American, if quality and value were even close. Which, of course, it hasn't been in over 30 years - and the current financial predicaments would seem to indicate that this will go on for another 30 - at which point the Chinese will probably own the US market.
  • califfamcaliffam Posts: 11
    Captin2 Thanks for your last post I agree 95% although I do pefer American trucks as I am a farmer and need something really heavy duty. Looking to get an 07 Camery in the next month if not sooner. After test driving two 07 Camrys in the last 2 days I'd call it a $29000, 30 MPG luxury Hot Rod sedan. You should have seen the salesman eyes pop out when I barked the tires across the intersection (not on purpose,just to much go pedal) with 3 people in the car! enough said.
  • bigd58bigd58 Posts: 39
    "I'll contend that there are a number of us in this country that would prefer to buy American, if quality and value were even close."
    Well put. With a well equipped family sedan @ nearly 30K and up, you have to make intelligent choices. I understand the US makers got caught with their pants down in the mid 70's, but they've had 3 decades to catch up, and haven't done so. My only conclusion is they simply don't care.
    They've narrowed the gap, but they still build whatever they want & expect us to dutifully go out and buy it.
    With Toyota now ranked #1 (fewest problems) by some consumer agencies, it only makes sense to go with the best.
  • gtgtcobragtgtcobra Posts: 259
    I have nothing against the 07 Camry. I really LOVE the car and the new style. But I do NOT believe that the materials that they use for it are high quality materials on the Camrys which are built in Kentucky. The ones that are built in Japan are built with better quality materials and if there is a problem that's detected with the fit and finish on a car, it is resolved. If the same car was built here in Kentucky, cheaper quality materials would be used and if a problem was detected with the same car, the company would "avoid" fixing it to make it right. That's what happened to my 97 Camry. It had to have the entire front suspension changed because it was making squeaking noises. They should have fixed this problem "BEFORE" allowing the car out of the manufacturing plant in Kentucky. They didn't. It was sold with a defect. The Japanese do NOT do this kind of thing. They fix things before a car leaves their manufacturing plant. This is what bothers me. Toyota cars that are built this way in the U.S.. They are NOT inspected the correct way in order to check them for squeaks and fit and finish problems. And the cheaper materials that are used to manufacture them here in the U.S. makes the U.S. built Camrys to have a greater chance of having fit and finish and quality issues.
    Why is it that you disagree with me about this. Quality control is a joke for any Japanese cars that are built here in the U.S.. Quality control exists, but it's not 100% effective in US. Toyota plants. And it's not 100% effective because Japanese U.S. manufacturing Toyota plants avoid "fixing" things to avoid higher production costs. Cars that are built in Japan do NOT have this issue because the Japanese use more care in the manufacturing process. Americans who build Japanese cars here in the U.S. do NOT care about this. They try to make the car 90% hogh quality and they leave out the 10% quality. It's the 10% quality that does NOT exist in the building process of a Japanese car that's built here in the U.S. which I am referring to here. If Toyota wants to build cars here in the U.S., it should correct this problem by using the same exact materials that they use in their manufacturing process in Japan and to also fix any problems that exists on theor cars "BEFORE" they are let out of the manufacturing plant. This is what they do NOT do and this is what I am complaining about. It seems that a lot of people in here do NOT want to believe this, but this is what is really going on with all Japanese cars which are built here in the U.S..
  • kdhspyderkdhspyder Posts: 7,160
    This opinion is just that one person's uninformed opinion. You have no knowledge of what you state. Just begin your rant with IMO.. and everything will be OK, sir.
  • I was told by a Toyota salesman that Allied Holdings handles the new vehicle transport for Toyota and that Camrys are piling up at Georgetown and being delivered more slowly than the production rate because of the Chapter 11 reorganization difficulties that Allied is undergoing. Is there any truth to this hearsay?
  • kdhspyderkdhspyder Posts: 7,160
    You are making it up because there is no evidence of what you say other than your rants. It's getting to be silly since most here are multiple Camry owners and you keep repeating the same goofy stuff which none of us, except you, has ever encountered. Please just begin your statement with IMHO.. and there's no problem.

    Refer to my profile: I've had 4 Camry's since 1989 and in driving them in excess of 500,000+ miles ( more than 30,000 mi/yr ) I've never encountered anything like what you state. In someone else's uninformed world you might sound like you knew what you were talking about. But not here on this forum. Pullleeze.

    Just by saying it over and over doesnt' make it true.
  • gtgtcobragtgtcobra Posts: 259
    Maybe YOU never had any problems with an American built Camry, but I know quite a few people who "DID" have problems with American built Camrys. And all the Camrys had quality problems with fit and finish and with having "cheap" materials.
    You were lucky to not have a Camry that was built with cheap materials and to not have any fit and finish quality problems.
    The materials that Toyota uses to build their Camrys here in the U.S. is complete "JUNK". And the Kentucky manufacturing plant does NOT do what the Japanese plants do in order to have high quality materials and build quality on the U.S. built Camrys. This goes for all the rest of the Toyota cars that are also built here in the U.S. too. U.S. built Honda and Nissan cars have the same problems.
  • califfamcaliffam Posts: 11
    Ok then anybody I've seen American built and Japan built Camrys in the last few days, if you want one, you want one, what can you say. Maybe the color you want isn't built where you like.so what can you do? At some point all Camrys may be USA built. If a dealer has a 100 Camrys and all but 2 are built in the US so what are you going to do.
    You get the point. As for me I've bigger things to worry about. I'ts still a Toyota for Pete sake!!!
  • kdhspyderkdhspyder Posts: 7,160
    I know repeating the same statements without facts solidifies it in your mind..but it also makes you look foolish in public. FWIW.
  • Has anyone bought a 2007 Camry with Sirius sat radio either port or dealer installed? I'm curious about the antenna (location, whether inside or outside, and how it looks) and how it integrates with the dashboard display. Salesmen I've talked to know nothing about Sirius installs. I guess it's not common.

    I currently use a Sirius S50 in my 1993 Camry - works very well and no reception problems. Antenna (1.5 inch diameter flat disk) is outside car on roof near front windshield on the corner on the passenger side. From Sirius forums I've heard that inside installation of antenna creates reception problems.
  • faldocfaldoc Posts: 84
    Well, IMHO you have a small sample and therefore cannot make such a blanket statement. If this is so then my sample of 2 (two) 100% Japan made Lexus LS400s should qualify me to say that Japan made cars are not THAT good, since both had problems with design (steering pumps die early) and both had problems with the tilt/telescoping mechanism (lost memory). The latest one had a door handle crack, and rattles and squeaks. It also had a leaky rack, in addition to the pump. It goes to show that QA can be variable even for Japan made cars. How can you say that US made parts are JUNK? The 07 Camry I have is US made out of 75% US parts. It is a fine car and the quality of the parts look great to me. The engine is US made. It is smooth, powerful, economical and responsive. Of course, it is an XLE, and I expect it to have finer materials, and this car delivers.

    I have had Accords, Volvos, and other cars: this US made Camry is among the best I have owned. I know people who work at US sub contractors who make parts for US companies as well as Toyota. They say that the standards that Toyota has for parts are higher than what the US companies require. Standards are standards, whether a part is made here or in Japan. What you are saying is that Toyota is using lower standards for US made cars that for Japan made. I don't believe that.
  • jbolltjbollt Posts: 734
    I don't post here often, and I hesitate to do so now, seems like it is just feeding your un-substantiated comments. Like kdhspyder said, either preface your comments with something like "in my opinion" or, "in my experience".

    IMHO..........

    For what it is worth, I have been an owner of Toyotas for many, many years. They are not perfect, no car is. In 1992, I bought my first Camry (not my first Toyota). We had the choice of US built or Japanese built vehicles at that time. We thought the same as you...that the Japaneae ones HAD TO BE BETTER...RIGHT??? Well..after looking over several examples of both, we purposely chose the US built one..why? simple...the molded carpets didn't fit the floor as well on the Japanese ones, and the sunvisors were very obviously inferior to the US built ones. Much skinnier, and much more flimsey.

    Based on our satisfaction with the 92 US built Camry, we later went to buy a 93 Camry. We again did the same process to determine if we cared which country of origin to choose for our 2nd Camry (which was an additional vehicle..not replacing the 92). We again choose a US built one.

    In 2003, we set out to buy another Camry, an SE. This time, we again faithfully did our research, and couldn't see any difference between the Japanese and US builds. We ended up with a US built, just accidently, BTW and have had ZERO reason to bring it to the dealer, other than oil changes in 40,000 miles.

    If you are so sure of your comments about the quality of the US built Camrys, provide some varifiable facts documented by credible sources, and (IMHO) I believe all here will then agree with you. Until that time, I believe that you are fighting a loosing battle. Again IMHO.
  • petomlinpetomlin Posts: 103
    Cobra

    I don't want to pile on but...I have a few questions.

    You say: "I know quite a few people who "DID" have problems with American built Camrys"

    How many people exactly? 20? 30? Let's say you actually know 30 people who own American made Camrys. Lets go a step farther and say, every one of them had a problem. Does it mean that ALL American Camrys are bad?

    You say: "The materials that Toyota uses to build their Camrys here in the U.S. is complete "JUNK"."

    How do you know this? Do you personally inspect ALL materials that go into the American Camrys? If so, what is your frame of reference?

    You continue: "And the Kentucky manufacturing plant does NOT do what the Japanese plants do in order to have high quality materials and build quality on the U.S. built Camrys. This goes for all the rest of the Toyota cars that are also built here in the U.S. too. U.S. built Honda and Nissan cars have the same problems."

    How do you know this? Have you personally been to The Japanese assembly plants where ALL Toyotas, Hondas, and Nissans are built, and directly compared their processes and procedures to their American counter parts?

    If you've answered "no" to any of these questions, then you might be able see why other readers of these forums might be a little skeptical of your...thinking.
  • "I'll contend that there are a number of us in this country that would prefer to buy American, if quality and value were even close."
    Well put. With a well equipped family sedan nearly 30K and up, you have to make intelligent choices. I understand the US makers got caught with their pants down in the mid 70's, but they've had 3 decades to catch up, and haven't done so. My only conclusion is they simply don't care.
    They've narrowed the gap, but they still build whatever they want & expect us to dutifully go out and buy it.
    With Toyota now ranked #1 (fewest problems) by some consumer agencies, it only makes sense to go with the best.


    Ummmm, you guys need to get off your rumps and do some research. Try driving something different. And as far as 'they still build whatever they want and expect us to dutifully go out and buy it....' comment: My original comment was that with Toyota you CANNOT get exactly what you want... The fact is, Toyota builds whatever it wants and, yes, expects you to dutifully go out and buy it.

    As to quality, the new Avalon doesn't do well. Look at the forums on this website. And, ahem, even my new Pontiac grand prix ranks better than a Camry according to JD Power....

    I just like the truth, not bs. Toyota builds some reliable cars. They build some so-so cars. Very few are memorable, however.
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    I, and MANY other Camry buyers disagree strongly with your heavily opinionated statement. I'm not trying to get in on this quibble between a couple of you, but it would make you sound a lot more credible and able to be taken somewhat seriously if you'd be willing to admit that what you are stating is opinion. It is, whether you believe it or not.

    I have a U.S. build Honda with 160,000 miles on it, and have spent only $300 on it for repairs in its ENTIRE lifetime. The interior looks nearly as good as it did 11 years ago!

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    Other than bad lighting on my picture and leather on the stock photo, I can't tell much of a difference. The second picture was taken of a brand new 1995 EX. My pic was taken at 155,000 miles, at 10 years old on my LX. No junk here, just incredibly reliable, well manufactured, U.S. Honda.
  • havokhavok Posts: 18
    Very touchy subject. The fact of the matter is that Toyota builds better quality vehicles than the domestics. This is not fantasy, conjecture, or opinion. To raise an argument as to which Toyotas are more reliable (U.S. vs. Japan built) will undoubtably hurt peoples feelings and make hard working Americans feel guilty of even buying an import brand.
    I doubt that there are easily accesable reports on which to compare the quality of the two. But do this: Ask someone who works for Toyota (not the salesmen) which they would prefer. They will tell you that either is acceptable but...if it were them they'd prefer that "J" in the VIN before they made their purchase.
    It's really up to you. Would you prefer a "hecho en mexico" Ford Fushion, Chevy, or even a Pontiac?
  • hansiennahansienna Posts: 2,312
    My new 2006 Sienna LE had the 2nd row passenger side bucket seat installed WRONG at the Toyota factory. It also had a sheet metal screw in the right rear tire. The front HVAC fan is not as quiet as the fan in the T&C nor does it provide as much air flow as the T&C fan.
    Time will tell if it will be as reliable as the 2002 Chrysler T&C LX that it replaced.
  • patpat Posts: 10,421
    This argument is going nowhere, and it's not helpful to drag in other vehicles and countries. It's time to move on.

    We're talking about the '07 Camry - let's get back to it.

    Thanks.
  • motownusamotownusa Posts: 836
    As to quality, the new Avalon doesn't do well. Look at the forums on this website. And, ahem, even my new Pontiac grand prix ranks better than a Camry according to JD Power....

    JD Powers initial quality means didly sqat. No wonder people dont pay any attention to them. As far as claiming that the GP is a better car than the Avy, just wait about 5 or 6 years. Your Grand Prix would be worth less than a bicycle. And if GM bites the dust by then, your Grand Prix would be virtually worthless. Well at least GM's car quality now matches their credit ratings.
  • johnnjjohnnj Posts: 14
    Just my opinion to all this Domestic/Import cars. I'm a firm believer in buying American cars but I just can't take the abuse anymore. Following is a list of cars I've own:

    1)1991 Cavalier(New) - Died around 90,000 miles
    2)1995 Eagle Vision(New) - Bad cyclinder around 15,000 miles
    3)1991 Grand Prix SE(Used) - Around 85,000 Spark Plug shot out of cyclinder, plus numerous of other problems
    4)1997 Ford Explorer(New) - 9,000 miles Transmission line broke and leak all fluid. 20,000 miles Pully on motor for belt broke.
    5)1999 Dodge Avenger(New) - This car never made it past 6,000 miles. It sat more at the shop then my driveway
    6)2001 Cavalier(Used) - I have to say this car did good up till 165,000 miles the it died
    7)2001 Yukon XL Denali(Used) - Still own this truck, but have problems with Trans Fluid Leaking, Motor acting strange at times.
    8)1995 Toyota Camry(Used) - Still own this car with 180,000 miles and the only thing I need to do to it was new tires, and honestly I abuse this car by not changing oil for like 20,000 miles each time. The only reason I purchased a new '07 camry was that this '95 camry design was getting old on me.
    9)2007 Camry SE(New)- Love it....
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    Why are you trying to kill your '95 Camry? You could sell it for a decent sum of cash if you don't want it anymore, but with Toyota's bad rep for sludge, it seems like I'd be changing the oil at 5,000 miles at least, MAYBE going as long as 7,000.
  • hansiennahansienna Posts: 2,312
    Your 1999 Dodge Avenger was a JAPANESE made Mitsubishi. :sick: Don't tell people how well foreign made cars are when one of your worst was made in JAPAN.
    Stay with Toyota Camry ;) if you want Japanese made / Japanese brand reliability.
  • johnnjjohnnj Posts: 14
    Well, actually only the motor was made by Mitsubishi on that avenger that I had. But then again, I don't like Mitsubishi. With that car I had problems with:
    Struts
    Wiring
    Computer
    I forget the rest...
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