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2007 Toyota Camry

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  • kiawahkiawah Posts: 3,666
    The dome light, in the middle of the vehicle roof (sits about parrallel to the back of the front seats......you are saying that it doesn't have a sliding switch on it which says On, Off, Door?

    This is a 2007 Camry LE, 4 cylinder correct?
  • kiawahkiawah Posts: 3,666
    Here is what the dome light is, from the owners manual

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  • kdhspyderkdhspyder Posts: 7,160
    Facory maintenance now is nearly a non-issue. In the Camry there's a timing chain that should never need replaicing. The plugs are good for 100K+ miles. That's it...

    A winterisation
    Rotate/Balance tires
    wear items...

    Shop for a dealer that may give you some of these free if you buy there. Many offer free oil/filters, etc for 2 or 3 yrs or even lifetime.

    I had 4 Camry's from 1989 though 2005 ( then a Prius ) and only needed regular maintenance over the last 7 yrs. In the beginning maintenance was expensive. Now it's an after thought.
  • djm2djm2 Posts: 705
    Hi Kmauss:
    I purchased my first Toyota, (a 2007 XLE Camry), in January. Prior to this vehicle, I owned a 2003 Honda Accord. The Honda rides VERY HARD, and I found the seats to be very uncomfortable, but this is just my opinion. On the other hand, the Toyota rides great. At the present time, I have about 7,200 miles on this vehicle, and it runs GREAT! I DO NOT have any of the problems that you see discussed on these boards. When I purchased this vehicle, I put a 6 year 100,000 mile,(top of the line), Toyota extended warranty on the Camry. My Honda had a 7 year 100,000 mile Honda extended warranty, and Honda put in $3,300.00 worth of repairs under this program. The original purchase price of this Honda coverage was $895.00.
    Prior to purchasing the Camry I looked at the Chevrolet Impala, Buick, Ford 500, Mercury, Hyundai, & Nissan. I would have purchased an Impala or the Buick, put I could not get the trim level that I wanted in stock in the state of New Jersey. (I NEVER ORDER VEHICLES). I want to see and drive the vehicle that I am purchasing, before I sign the purchase contract! I am not a fan of Chrysler Products. They have GREAT exterior designs, but they lack "quality" in terms of their engines, and their dealers and factory reps leave a lot to be desired. (I had a friend who owned a Jeep Grand Cherokee who went through "hell" trying to get this vehicle repaired under the original factory warrnty. The vehicle lived at the dealership.)
    At the present time I like my new Camry. When you purchase a new vehicle, remember you are also entering into a relationship with the dealership. Make VERY sure that you are comfortable with the operational atmosphere of the dealership. This is especially true of their service department. Before I made the Camry purchase, I had the sales person take me on a tour of the facilities. This Toyota dealer happens to have a new building, so everything is "state-of-the-art" in terms of "technology".
    The bottom line is, purchase the vehicle that YOU like. Remember, you only go through this life once, and you are paying for this new vehicle. I would highly recommend that you purchase a "top of the line" manufacturer's extended warranty on this new vehicle. I have always done this, and I have always come out ahead of the game! With the cost of major repairs today, having an extended warranty just makes good economic sense. I drive alot, and in a four year period, I will have somewhere between 80,000 and 90,000 miles on the vehicle. One AC Compressor failure would be at least $1,000.00 to repair. MY extended warranty for the Toyota costs $1,600.00. I know with my high mileage driving, I will at least make that cost back. (The time that I spend idling in traffic is more time then other people spend driving). On the other side of the issue, I am a maintenance fanatic. I have my oil and filter changed every 2,500 miles. Oil and filters are cheap, engines are expensive! Toyota recommends 5,000 mile intervals for this service, but I cut the figure in half! All of my service is done by the selling dealer, so all of my service records are in one location. Should I get into a service problem on a road trip, the Toyota dealer at that location can look at my service record through their computer, of they can get that information from my selling dealer.
    Lots of luck with your vehicle search! Best regards. ------Dwayne :shades: ;) :)
  • jack47jack47 Posts: 312
    I have a 1995 Camry and the only thing that I have replaced in all those years is the battery. Other than that, I have not put one dime into the car. I have the oil changed no more than once a year.

    The car is garaged and looks brand new. Granted it only has 48,000 miles.

    Would I buy another one? Absolutely...but not this year. Maybe next year when all the bugs are worked out of the DBW.

    And I do like the looks of the Sonata V6 Limited.
  • jaxs1jaxs1 Posts: 2,697
    An extended warranty does not make "good economic sense" except to those selling them.
    It is not an investment. It is just a gamble. You may "win" once in a while, but you will not win in the long run. Same as playing a slot machine in a casino. You put money in and hope to get more than you put in paid back to you.

    If you go into a casino you can see people all around you who are winning money off the slots, and I have won money on a slot machine also. That doesn't mean that playing slots long term makes economic sense to anyone other than the casino. This is analogous of anecdotal reports of you or some acquaintance getting big repairs covered by an extended warranty and concluding that therefore purchasing extended warranties will save you money over your lifetime vs skipping them.

    If you buy extended warranties for all of the next 5 cars you buy in the next 30 years, you will have paid out a lot more in the cost of warranties than you get back in covered repairs. That is even without taking the money you would have spent on each extended warranty and investing it even in CDs or money market accounts.

    If the warranty programs were paying out more to cover A/C compressor failures or any other covered item failure that occur during their coverage window than they receive in premiums, they would stop offering them.

    It's like people think the warranty companies are clueless as to how much it costs to fix the items they cover vs what they charge for the premiums.
  • djm2djm2 Posts: 705
    Hi jaxs1:
    I have had an extended warranty on all my vehciles. Over the years of ownership, I have either broke even with the cost of the warranty, or came out ahead in terms of cost of the repairs, and the purchase price of the extended warranty. I have owned Ford, GM, Honda and now a Toyota product. I do an extensive amount of driving, (at least 22,000 miles per year), and I would be out of the orginal warranty in less than two,(2),years. With a "top of the line" manufacturer extended warranty, I can have my vehicle service at any Toyota dealership is something happens on the road. This is just one thing less to worry about. My former vehicle a 2003 Honda Accord had a 7 year / 100,000 Honda extended warranty. The original owner purchased it at a cost of $895.00. Over the course of 90,000 miles, Honda put in repairs of $3,300.00 under this warranty,---- (AC compressor, Motor mounts, Drivers Door Power Window Regulator Assembly, Two Cat Converters, Passenger Door interior handle). On the Ford, the extended warranty paid for a "NEW ENGINE"! On the GM vehicle, the extended warranty paid for a NEW AC compressor and a blower motor in the dash, and a NEW alternator and battery, (the alternator cooked the battery). YES, an extended factory warranty works for me! An extended warranty is NOT like gambling. It is a "sure thing," based on the current quality of the new vehicles being producted by any name plate!----But, if you do not believe in this coverage, that is a "personal choice," and I respect that decision on your part!
    Best regards. ----- Dwayne :shades: ;) :)
  • kdhspyderkdhspyder Posts: 7,160
    My opinion of 'Extended Service Contracts' has changed in the last few years. I too never thought the ESC's were worthwhile with Toyota or Honda. They were imperative with the GM and Chrysler vehicles I had over the last 20 yrs.

    Now however all vehicles are mainly rolling electronic devices controlled by various mini-computers and processors. While the mechanical parts of the vehicles are probably still solid as a rock, the ECTi, VVTi, ETCi, EPS, ABS, VSC, TC, BA, LTPM systems don't operate with out their controllers.

    These controllers are NOT made by Toyota or Honda or GM. They are purchased subcontracted parts/systems and all of them are covered only by the 3/36 warranty. A really ridiculous example is the Low Tire Pressure Monitoring system ( LTPM ). In each wheel is an electronic device that monitors the tire pressure and sends a signal to the controlling ECU. Each one costs about $300 to replace. There are 5 in most cars now.

    Another is a personal experience with our 2003 MR2 Spyder with the SMS with 34000 mi. An indicator came on indicating an error in the Transmission. Took it in and the codes it 'threw' indicated that a pump and the electronic controller for that pump needed to be replaced. They called Toyota in CA and found that each part was ........$2400!!! The total bill would have been $5500.

    The parts and labor would have been covered under an ESC but not by the original 3/36 which had expired. We sent it to aution 'As Is' and got full value at the auction./ But someone is looking at a hefty bill.
  • jaxs1jaxs1 Posts: 2,697
    So, what you are saying is that the extended warranty companies charge around $1000 or less (actually much less since the price you pay is less than they receive after the dealer's markup/commission) and pay out two to five times that amount fixing all these electronic components that fail after the factory warranty expires, but still before their coverage period expires. They don't know anything about how much it costs to repair the cars they cover or care about having a sustainable business model.
    They are paying these claims year after year to hundreds or thousands of policy holders, but they never learn.
    Not making much sense.
  • mdchachimdchachi Posts: 275
    Actually he didn't say anything that you are saying he said. Try reading what he actually said.

    His point is valid which is -- if you do get a hit by an out of warranty repair, it can be much more expensive than days past. And that there are lot more things that can go wrong on vehicles these days.
  • kiawahkiawah Posts: 3,666
    I think we all recognize that this is nothing more than an insurance policy, and from a business perspective the insurance company that writes all of the policies collectively is making a profit on the total of all of the policies. Else, they would either raise the price of the policies or go out of business. The "average" payout, is less than the "average" policy cost, yielding the company an "average" profit for each policy written....after deducting of course their corporate salaries, rent, printers, etc. If you looked at an individual policy, some policies will be loosers (like in kdhspyder's case), and other policies will be money makers. On average however, they still make money.

    At the core of an individuals purchase decision, is his/her tolerance of risk, his/her perception of probability of that risk happening, the cost of the repair should the risk actually occur to him/her, the ability of the individual to cover financially the cost of repair if not insured, and the environment that the individual puts the car in.

    If one is a gambler, hasn't gotten burned with a large expense in the past over the years and doesn't know of anyone either, has plenty of cash to cover the repair cost if it occurs, and takes very good care of the vehicle.....roll the dice and 'self insure', with the potential savings if nothing occurs.

    On the other hand, if someone is living paycheck to paycheck, relies heavily on the vehicle, has had bad maintenance experiences, and is risk adverse......put yourself at ease and buy a policy.

    Each individual is different and comes at it from a different perspective and set of circumstances, nobody is right or wrong, just make the decision that is right for you!

    Not everyone buys life insurance, even knowing that at some point one will die.
  • jaxs1jaxs1 Posts: 2,697
    At the beginning I said it would average out to be more paid on the contracts than you get in coverage if your were to buy the extended warranty on every car you buy over your lifetime or they cannot make money, but people are saying that all these ultra expensive things are going to fail and it "makes economic sense" and is "imperative" to buy an extended warranty based on their anecdotes.

    You will have savings not only if "nothing" occurs (which is unlikely,) but also if things do fail, but total less over the years than the premiums you have paid on all your cars (extremely likely)or fail before or after the extended coverage would have paid for it.

    You are guaranteed to lose the money you pay into an extended warranty. You then hope they pay back more than you paid them. That is the risk and the gamble.
  • imidazol97imidazol97 Crossroads of America: I70 & I75Posts: 18,394
    The point is that over a period of time, over a large group f cars, the amount paid for the "insurance" has to total out substantially more than the company is going to have paid out. The salesman gets a large cut of the premium paid as a commission, the company intends to make a lots of money on the deal to pay all the executives and pay the people handling the claims. There is lots of money in insurance. The companies aren't going to sell the policies for a loss.

    An example of the large profits in selling the insurance is the reduction in prices at a few dealers who sell over the internet. They are still making money on selling the product so other stores are making large chunks of money>
  • kiawahkiawah Posts: 3,666
    Yep,

    I understand and personally don't buy extended warranty policies, but I also don't tend to buy leading edge technologies (CVT, Hybrid, 6/8 speed tranny's, etc). I also do most of the maintenance myself, so it's more just parts costs for me. Respect the decision however, of someone who buys a policy because for instance....they can't sit down and write a check for $6K should their tranny blow on their only vehicle. It's risk avoidance and the budgeting of the known...versus the unknown.
  • imidazol97imidazol97 Crossroads of America: I70 & I75Posts: 18,394
    Those policies are usually only an extension beyond the standard manufacturer's times. So you're buying a 7 year 100K miles but it's really only 3 years beyond the existing 4 years and 40 K miles beyond the 60 K miles.

    The presentation of the data also turns me off. But I think most people believe they're paying for the extra rather than receiving a whole 7 years. The above numbers are examples only-not any particular manufacturer.
  • djm2djm2 Posts: 705
    Hi jaxs1:
    Extended Factory Warranties are like insurance policies. If something happens, they are VERY nice to have at that point in time. I will own this 2007 Camry for at least three years. During that time, I will accumulate at least somewhere between 75,000 and 90,000 miles. I paid $1,600.00 dollars for a "top-of-the-line" Toyota extended warranty. One A/C compressor will give me back $1,000.00 dollars of that cost. One alternator or starter could easily cost $300.00 to $600.00 dollars with labor. A computer on this vehicle could cost $500.00 to $1,000.00 dollars or more. A transmission could cost $6,000.00 dollars. Once I make back the initial cost of the warranty, I am operating my vehicle on Toyota's dime! I think it is a wise investment. ------ Best regards. ------ Dwayne :shades: ;) :)
  • jaxs1jaxs1 Posts: 2,697
    They heavily overstate the cost on their invoices when you have an extended warranty to help market future extended warranties. You might have an extended warranty and something breaks that's covered. The manufacturers warranty pays $90 to the dealer under their deal, but the service writer prints that the repair was valued at "$401.54" on your copy of the invoice and you have no reason to care, question it or shop it around since you aren't paying. You are just impressed by how much you "saved" and are quick to run out and buy another warranty on your next car and tell 10 friends about it.

    Yes a transmission on some car "could" cost $6000. The engine and transmission could both fail during the window after the 60,000 mile factory powertrain warranty expires and before the service contract expires. The $2000 nav system "could" completely fail and need to be gutted and reinstalled from scratch. Everything on a $25,000 car could fail and cost $50,000 or more in parts and labor to fix.
    If you buy 10 or 20 cars in your life and pay for extended warranty on every one of them, would you save more money in repairs that you spend on the purchase of the 10 or 20 warranties. No.
    Would you have one or a few seem to pay for themselves based on the prices printed on your invoice? Probably, but it won't add up in your favor in the long haul.
    If it were any different than that, the warranty companies would not be able to make money.

    The warranty companies know better than car buyers what it costs to repair cars and they take into account the cost of all the electronics, AC compressors, transmissions and other things that may fail and are included in their coverage.
    If it worked your way where they pay you more than you pay them on more than an occasional basis (slot machine payout analogy) how can they stay in business?
  • msindallasmsindallas Posts: 190
    Yes, I think they are great cars. Some objectivity - hope this will help you. I drive a 1998 Camry 4-cyl LE with 130,000 miles on it.

    mine is seven and not immortal

    After 7 years, you are questioning the life of your current car. After 9 years, I believe my Camry should run trouble free for another 9.

    I paid a HUGE amount of money for it seven years ago

    I bought the Camry through some deals with my Credit Union and the local dealers, paid $100 over invoice.

    it's starting to get pretty "needy." ... One of the reasons I have tended to shy away from foreign cars is the cost of parts and maintenance.

    You seem to have spent a lot of money on repairs already. Till date, I have not spent a dime on anything other than the scheduled maintenance - oil/filters/battery/tires etc.

    does it get decent gas mileage

    When I bought the car new, I used to get 28/33 for City/Hwy driving. After 130,000 miles (now) I get 27/33 for City/Hwy. Hwy mileage drops to 31 if I drive at more than 80 or 85 mph (Yes, thats over the speed limit, but thats how traffic moves between Dallas and Houston on I-45).

    One of my biggest issues with my Intrepid is that it seems to be falling apart around the engine

    Last time I took the car to dealer was at 120,000 miles, for their scheduled 120K maintenance. The service adviser believed the car should run trouble free for at least another 120,000 miles. I do the oil change at every 5K miles at the local Jiffy Lube. I drive the car every day, and the engine just purrs, no noise. I have to look at the Tach to figure out if it is running.

    How has the car "held together" over the long term?

    I bought the car when I lived in Phoenix. I made 3 trips to Los Angeles, 1 to San Francisco, 1 to Vegas/Reno, 1 to Grand Canyon, 1 to Bryce Natl Park, once to Moab, Utah. Drove it to Dallas when I moved. Drove (may be) 6/8 times to Houston/Galveston, 4/6 times to St. Louis, MO, 3/4 times to San Antonio and a few more times to Austin. Yes, trips to State Parks in Oklahoma, too (Turner Falls and Broken Arrow). Other than that, my daily commute is about 20 miles. All that in 130,000 miles. Is that holding together good enough?

    Problems with the car:
    (1) Very low. while parking with the front bumper over a curb stone, the chassis touches the concrete.
    (2) Speedometer not accurate. Reads about 8% higher than actual speed. I discovered this when I installed a GPS based navigation system.

    Good luck with your car shopping. Best wishes, - MS.
  • murphydogmurphydog Posts: 508
    Hmmm...Used to work at a big name retailer - sorry can't share the name. Lauched a low cost extended warranty program as it was nearly ALL PROFIT even though it was 40% lower than what was offered at other places.

    I agree that an extended warranty does bring piece of mind, especially if the providers stand behind it and make it easy to service. However from a dollars and cents perspective I have never purchased one for anything, and likely never will.

    The high margins on them mean one thing, most of the items covered do not break... :shades:
  • user777user777 Posts: 3,341
    The high margins on them mean one thing, most of the items covered do not break...

    And many of the items that do break... are not covered. :blush:
  • kdhspyderkdhspyder Posts: 7,160
    I know that ESC's are an insurance policy. All such policies have a lot of analysis done before they're priced in order to insure a profit for the offerer.

    That being said. I also believe that there is a ticking time bomb in the retail auto industry that never existed before. Catastrophic repairs to tiny but complex parts. Without these tiny complex parts the vehicle just doesn't run.

    There is much more risk for the buyer now. What level of risk are you willing to accept. IMO it was small in the past. Now it's much larger.
  • ctsangctsang Posts: 237
    That's why there is insurance for everything and those insurance companies make tons of money even accounting for catastrophic events. They are garranteed a profit in their business model. If there is no profit in an area for example, they don't do business there.
  • dudleyrdudleyr Posts: 3,447
    I think the risk of problems is getting smaller. Cars are more reliable every year. This is supported by the CR reliability data - the very reason than many buy the Camry.

    Personally in over 25 years of owning cars the most I have ever paid to fix one of them has been $500, and the most put into any one car for repairs has been less than $1,200 total. This includes a 1990 Integra I bought new that now has 230,000 miles.

    I would expect the Camry to be the same.
  • wwestwwest Posts: 10,706
    I gather some of you would like to go back to changing points and condensors, distributor caps, rebuilding carburators, etc.

    Not me.
  • 210delray210delray Posts: 4,722
    Not me, thank you very much.

    I don't buy the "ticking time bomb theory." I have to agree with dudleyr that cars are getting more reliable. Just stay away from those with excess complexity and poor reliability records, like Mercedes!

    Basically, the only time my vehicles go to the shop is for their annual safety inspection. (I do my own maintenance.)
  • papsephuspapsephus Posts: 15
    Has anyone seen a camry with the special edition package? It has front, rear, and side skirts (not like the SE) and the grills are chromed. I was not a fan of the look of camry, but I really did like this look on that car. Now, if I can get past that blue-like look of the console.
  • gainesmbgainesmb Posts: 17
    I am new to this site and have been thoroughly impressed with the amount of information in the various Forums around 2007 Camry's.

    That being said, I am considering the purchase of a 2007 Camry SE (V6) and would like some feedback on the following points to help me with my decision:

    1) What is a good out the door price for the SE (V6) with VSC, JBL Radio, Rear Spoiler, Body Side Molding, Floor mats, and Cargo net? Cars Direct lists the invoice price at $24,865 and the Cars Direct Price at $25,915. Neither is an out the door price, so I am seeking recommendations of a good OTD price for the New York City Area.

    2) Transmission Flare issues seem to be more prominent in the earlier versions made prior to October or November 2006 (Correct me if I am wrong). Would you say that the probability of encountering the Transmission Flare issue is low for vehicles built in 2007 or are there other variables to consider such as the plant the car was built in?

    3) Looking to add Vehicle Stability Control for my wife who will rarely use the car and have not heard about any issues with it. Let me know your experience with VSC.

    4) Are the stock tires (P215/55R17 93V SM) acceptable for North East driving (four seasons) or should I have the All Season tires installed?

    5) Is the JBL Radio a huge improvement over the standard Radio? I will listen for my self during the test drive but any feedback is welcomed.

    6) Last but not least, what is the difference in the rear spoiler options beside cost? One spoiler lists as color-keyed and costs less than the other.

    Thanks in advance for any assistance you can offer and please point me to the proper forum if I unknowingly posted in the wrong place. Thanks again!!
  • lmacmillmacmil Posts: 1,756
    VSC is a definite must have as far as I'm concerned. If the stock tires are the Bridgestone EL400s like on my 2005, they are acceptable for all season driving. We get a lot more snow here in Indiana than NYC and I've never had a real problem.
  • 210delray210delray Posts: 4,722
    I'll second Imacmil on the VSC -- it's a very important safety feature. I'd recommend all-season tires over "summer" tires, but I have no experience with the Bridgestone EL400s. I think the JBL radio is a big improvement, but it's fairly costly now compared to the standard radio. (The price gap wasn't so huge on my '04 Camry.)

    Spoilers: personally, I'd delete them if possible. YMMV.

    Regarding price, have you checked right here on Edmunds for true market value?

    I've stopped following the tranny flare issue, so I can't really comment on this.
  • dllharwooddllharwood Posts: 10
    I saw the 50th anniversary edition of the Camry at a dealer in Manhattan, Kansas about a month ago. They literally had it under wraps. I was back there a week or so ago and they still didn't have it out. The salesman did show it to me and it was beautiful. A very nice trim package.
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