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The Rio section of a KIA-specific forum I visit doesn't have any reports of a problem like this.
I have a few questions for you or your bro-in-law:
1. Is the dealer he's going to a "dedicated" Kia dealer?
2. How often does the problem happen, and under what conditions?
3. Did the dealer offer to install a data collection "black box" on the car that would catch and record the codes and engine info at the time of a fault?
I've seen a mention of either an injector unit or ignition coil being replaced on other Kia's when a cylinder was misfiring, and it seemed to solve the problem.
Good luck!
-SM
"Bad gas / moisture in the tank? If he's consistantly going to the same station for gas, tell him to try somewhere else and run through a few tanks. A bottle or two of gas line anti-freeze (methanol) will also help counteract moisture problems."
Another person agreed with me that you need to visit another dealer to see what their diagnosis is.
-SM
My '04 Rio had problem-free 75,000 miles on it when I traded it in and the dealership STILL gave me $2500 OVER kelly blue book for it.
If your looking for an inexpensive, cheap, cute car that'll last, go for the Kia Rio.
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I know someone who said they paid $8K for their base Rio and it made me want to check here... but??? nada
Try playing with this tire calculator to find a tire size that lowers revolutions. That will probably throw your speedometer off and cost some power on hills or for passing.
Thanks
Max
It makes no difference what model car you are driving!
Just about every timing belt based engine needs a new belt at 60K and some models go further to 90K.
The Kia is rated at 60K and is recommended that you replace it as soon as you possibly can.
It made it 90K. that was PLENTY of warning past the recommended 60K.
If it wasnt changed after that time period, that is not the cars fault!
Cars dont typically use non-interference engines (belt breaks, no damage) these days like they did at times in the 1990s and earlier.
As far as sensors, that I can understand being a problem, but not just Kia.
But to blame everything on a timing belt that is a maintenence item.. a very SERIOUS maintence item at that is a waste of time talking about.
Basically, you neglected it, so its your fault and any car can take a dump if you forget to maintain this very important component.
Pretty cut and dry, when someone is dealing with something as complex and expensive as an automobile, a creation of man that has so many moving parts and components, one has to maintain that vehicle. If you don't, well, our resident Stealers fan can attest to the folly of that.
2021 Kia Soul LX 6-speed stick
The car is rated at 27 city/32 hwy. -- why would you think that you should get more than 35 mpg? And who told you it was rated at 44 mpg? That's higher than any car in it's class is rated, short of a hybrid.
On a brand-new car that isn't broken in yet, getting 30 mpg in the city is quite good. You just had massively unrealistic expectations. People I know with older model manual-trans Rios average about 32 mpg with a good amount of highway miles in there.
What did it do before dying (noises, warning lights, etc.) and how many miles do you have. If there are over 60K miles on the engine and the timing belt snapped, that won't be covered under warranty. Changing the belt religiously is a must, but there isn't enough information to make any opinion on what the dealer's telling you.
35 mpg on a highway drive is probably achievable, but I wouldn't expect it in stop-and-go city driving. Ditto for 44 mpg under any conditions. The EPA estimate is reasonable for that model.
Go to FuelEconomy.gov and click on "Your MPG" on the left side of the page to see what people in the real world are getting with any model.
I'm sure that KIA headquarters would be interested in hearing from you along with a picture. They'd be down there pronto, since it's not in their best interests to deceive prospective buyers.
I don't think any car is sold in the US is rated at 44 mpg, except maybe a Prius.
2021 Kia Soul LX 6-speed stick
Om fueleconomy.gov, owners are averaging between 40 and 51 mpg from 2003-2008 models. Pretty good!
That's probably the "best case scenario" and shouldn't be used to sell a car. The dealer overstepped their bounds using a figure so far above the EPA estimate.
I still believe that KIA headquarters would have a fit if they knew one of their dealers was doing this. Your state's Attorney General would likely put a stop to it as well. Every state has laws regarding false and deceptive advertising. It depends how far you want to take this.
All that dealer can legally post is the EPA estimates of 27/32 -- nothing more, either in writing or verbally.
The KIA dealers cannot claim 44 or 50 mpg -- period!!! The only way a Rio will get 50 mpg is to run through an entire tank on the Bonneville Salt Flats at 55 mph with the windows up, all electrical items off, the tires pumped up to 40 psi and a stiff tailwind.
The best estimates on probable mileage comes from people who own that model or the EPA figures.
Tell us how you feel driving such a small car - do you feel safe? And has it been reliable for you? :-)
I dig KIAs, don't misunderstand...but they need to wake up some, IMHO!
Peace!<-AladdinSane-<- :shades: