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Honda Civic Sedan 2006
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Anyone want to argue about something? We need another fight here. It's getting quiet again.
Maybe Honda thinks the people who buy the manual tranny are the ones who like more agressive driving, and therefore would like a more 'lively' engine. Therefore...the lower top gear.
The folks who buy the automatic (like me) are tired and just want a nice car with good performance that they can relax in and not shoot in and out of traffic. We all want to die in peace. I can't wait for the rocking-chair option.
the EPA ratings prolly for 60mph, but once above that, esp 70mph where it's 3k rpm+, fuel econ will drop very quickly with mtx??!!!
why, oh, why did Honda make 5th short...
i like to drive aggressively and unwisely sometimes if i feel happy, but sometimes when i am really tired and sleepy i just want to sit in a car and have it move automatically to the destination. the auto, with 5 gears now, and my current car needing a 1k$ clutch change (plus auto EX are avail very soon in canada) is beginning to look real good. on the other hand...i sometimes like to abuse my car in the winter with rally techniques that a torque converter just won't allow. hmm...abuse or ease of mind...
i know what you are saying about dieing in peace...i want to die in one piece, too.
umm...hmm what am i posting about here, not much useful info...oh yeah, anyone know where a car gets serialized (assigned a VIN)...before assembly, during, or after? all canadian cars are either USA or Canada made
I wonder how 6th gear will compare in the Si's?
And so far, every single '06 Civic delivered to my local dealer has been Japan-built. Shows what dealers know.
2014 Mini Cooper (stick shift of course), 2016 Camry hybrid, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (keeping the stick alive)
hahaahaha that is so funny, ppl complain about lack of power and honda responds by decreasing fuel economy as a result...
hhaha I wonder how many complainees would have guessed that this would be the fruits of their labours!! hehehe
As for this earlier:
"I don't think the fuel economy on the new Civics has dropped"
Combined EPA on the '05 Civic EX was 35.85. On the '06? 34.4.
For the auto: 35.5 on the '06, 34.85 on the '05. I call that a sidestep.
2014 Mini Cooper (stick shift of course), 2016 Camry hybrid, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (keeping the stick alive)
That's how Toyota and Lexus make so much money. Toyota makes bland mass market automobiles, and Lexus makes bland, high end automobiles for those with more money, who are interested in driving a status symbol, but who think of driving as a chore.
The ’06 model, though, departs from earlier generations in two significant ways. It de-emphasizes packaging efficiency (in favor of style) and simplicity (in favor of loading up with the latest gizmos).
Overall they loved the new Civic though. I really want to see the Coupe, since losing interior space in there (in the back seat, mainly) doesn't bug me as much as with the Sedan. The Coupe doesn't have as long a wheel base as the new Sedan, but it is longer than the '05.
A Coupe with a stick shift might be a hoot.
I was doing power to weight calculations today, and came up with the following:
'06 Mini Cooper (not S): 1 hp => 22 lbs
'06 Scion xA: 1 hp => 22.7 lbs
'06 New Beetle (5 cyl): 1 hp => 19 lbs
'06 New Jetta (5 cyl): 1 hp => 21 lbs
'05 Golf: 1 hp => 24 lbs
'05 Focus ZX3 (PZEV): 1 hp => 20.1 lbs
'06 Civic Sedan: 1 hp => 18.6 lbs
Couple of things to note. My ZX3 isn't doing too shabby in the horsepower to weight ratings. My former Golf was among the worst, as was my former Scion xA (no wonder they felt slow!). The new Civic has the best ratio of horsepower to weight, but its torque is much lower than its hp (only 128 lb-ft of torque, but still that matches my ZX3 so round town driving should be fine), while the New Beetle has the best torque (its 5 cylinder engine is rated at a mid-pack 150 hp for that size engine, but it has 170 lb-ft of torque, pretty darn good for 'round town driving).
I did test drive a new, New Beetle this weekend with the 5 cylinder plus 6 speed auto. It didn't feel quick...but maybe I was apprehensive about pushing a new car (the salesman sent me off in it by myself, so there was no weight penalty or inhibition in that regard).
So, I've temporarily crossed the New Beetle off my short list and put a question mark by the Civic...I really want to see how sporty the Coupe suspension is, it's supposed to be set up with stiffer springs, which might make it a nice handler.
Thanks alot
Seriously speaking though. 128ft-lbs of torque is the same as the '94-01 Integras that also came with a 1.8L motor. Maybe Honda felt they would embarass all the Integra owners if they gave the Civic a few more foot pounds of torque? Because you know the engines in 2005/06 are more advanced than the Integra's that came out in 1994. They could have easily got 130's out of it but it would probably require a more agressive exhaust, air intake, maybe intake manifold, or larger throttle body, most of which means worse gas mileage. It's all about the gas mileage..
'06 Civic LX coupe
'11 BMW 335i coupe xDrive
'13 Honda Accord sedan (wife's car)
I would imagine the new Civic weighs between 2600 and 2700lbs, so we should expect mid-8's in 0-60 acceleration or faster if they have a good tranny and quick shifter.
I have seen 2 roadtests of the '01 EX coupe 5sp. (2550lbs) and they were 8.1 and 8.3sec 0-60. They said it was the fastest non-Si Civic they had tested. I 'm hoping the '06 Civic will be in the low 8's as well but I 'm not holding my breath.
'06 Civic LX coupe
'11 BMW 335i coupe xDrive
'13 Honda Accord sedan (wife's car)
Thank you
the greater the torque at low rpm, the less gas you will use given all other factors are equal. when you accelerate your car, the engine will stay at the max torque rpm until you demand more, and when it runs faster, then you will in general burn more gas. low rpm torque cars of same displacement usually are more efficient.
given that, engine size is prolly the biggest factor. since the civic is only 1.8L, it is near the smallest in class, but coupled with its many efficient 'features' such as ivtec, etc etc, i am betting it is the most efficient in its class.
you will save money on lower depreciation, less maintenance (hopefully for 1st yr run), and gas if you get this civic (or older civics). i think...
Does it make sense? How do they compete with Tc?
This way everybody can have their cake and eat it too. Good economy, quiet cruising, no downshifts needed in cruise.
VW did this in the early 80's as did Volvo (it was 4 + E on these vehicles though)
They would need to have a cruise control lockout in 6th to protect people from themselves.
And power levels are all the same this year. All Civics get iVTEC, whereas in the past the VTEC engines were reserved for EX models.
And the EX has never had 170 horsepower! It was always in the 127 range, with the DX, Value Package, and LX coming in at around 115. The numbers sound little, but that's Honda for you. Not always the most powerful, but typically the most efficient.
Personally, I would pick the Civic over the Scion tC because I can get a beige interior (won't get as hot in the steamy Southeastern summers) and because I'm a Honda person.
Thanks in advance.
If this holds true, the new Civic should have a 10-20% improvement in real world fuel economy over the 7th gen.
I lived in an area where I'd be in traffic jams daily. After driving 10 miles an hour, stopping...moving forward 50 feet, stopping...starting again...clutching and shifting just wear you out. Also, I have a hand and a foot free with an auto...nice. I started on manual transmissions because I drove Civics for their fuel economy and peppy performance but I soon found that unless I worked my butt off and risked burning up my clutch, there was no performance advantage to a manual. On occasion I'd pull to the left lane to pass in 4th gear...oopsss...not enough power...let's try 3rd....nope...they're gaining on me....2nd! No...grrrrrrrrrrr(sound of engine reving too high)...too low....sometimes I had to make a quick decision which gear to take. With the new automatics having almost identical, and sometimes better fuel economy and performance that can match or improve on real world driving with the same number of speeds, and the Honda automatics being so intuitive...that is...they seem to always shift to the gear I want them to, when I want them to...the only disadvantage I see is the extra weight and price. In 1996 Honda even said their Civic HX automatic could lap their test track faster than their 5-speed. Imagine that...Honda itself claiming their automatic was faster. Shifting is fun, but before I'd go back to a manual, I'd get a tiptronic or something like that. I'm much more rested after traffic jams now and can sip my drink and change radio stations and accelerate at the same time.
I've put in my time...13 years driving a stick shift. So I've proven my manhood. Now I just need to find a car that will work for me, not the opposite.
They could even try that for the automatic if it didn't add too much weight and complexity. I'm glad someone is agreeing with me!!!
I think if you look at the last generation Civic it probably got a lot better than its EPA rating too. If you drove at 55-60 you'd probably get in the 50's.
Anyway, here is how the data plays out (allowing for a tolerance of about +/- 100-200 RPM or so):
'06 CIVIC DX (Sedan&2DR) 5SP:
Final drive: 4.294, 5th gear ratio: .727, Tires: 195/65-15
RPM@60: 2529 RPM@70: 2951 RPM@75: 3162
'06 CIVIC LX/EX (Sedan&2DR) 5SP:
Final drive: 4.294, 5th gear ratio: .727, Tires: 205/55-16
RPM@60: 2539 RPM@70: 2963 RPM@75: 3174
'06 CIVIC SI (2DR) 6SP:
Final drive: 4.765, 6th gear ratio: .659, Tires: 215/45-17 (all season & Summer):
RPM@60: 2575 RPM@70: 3005 RPM@75: 3219
And yes, though the SI has a 6SP and has a taller ratio in 6th than the others in 5th, it also has a shorter final drive which ultimately makes for even higher revs at speed than the 5 speeds do.
It's a tough world. The 6-speed might be too expensive, or, answer me this...do you think Honda is telling themselves,"The people who really love to drive fast and shift their own gears will want the 6-speed...the more timid EX drivers won't want to have another gear to shift"?
Now way to tell. The common answer in this forum is that a super tall 5th or 6th gear will bog down easily with a cruise control on. Could be cost of a 6-speed manual. Honda wants their EX's to be the everyman car! The Si is for the wreckless and wasteful.
Get larger tires. I might do that on an automatic if I ever buy one.
I have an 03 Civic EX manual, and if I drive very lightly, no AC, I can get 41-43 mpg. But more typical is 38-40, because I find it hard to drive slower than 75 mph.
I think the new Civic has the potential to get far greater results than the previous generation because of the tall 5th gear on the automatic.
For reference, my Miata was a real buzzer (3k @60!), and even worse (relatively) is my Scion tC, which is doing about 3,400 at 75, and 3K at ~66, which is silly considering it has a 2.4l that is more of a low torque than a high RPM motor.
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Yeah, the 4+E would be a great idea to keep 5th tall for economy. I can't wait for my 5spd silver manual sedan EX to get here, assuming the Canadian price isn't through the roof...Oct 15 is the official Civic launch party here?
http://news.auto.cz/?sekce=foto&ga_uid=GI_432a6e6d9258f&ga_id=GH_432a6e6d915ef
it is a Czech website and this is the 5door.. 1.8 liter... but even without the fact that the 5door will not make it to the US and 3door only maybe... look the the different design.. the front lights ant the tailights... the overall shape.. and compare it to the "Accord" looks of the NA Civic.
it is a noticeable difference... I am tired of auto makers watering stuff down for us... I would even go with VW for the sake of getting the real deal, not some .. "they will be fine with this" car. like the whole of Toyota, and now most of Honda, and all of GM... that's why I drive a Focus and dream about Mazda... Ford's side brands, and some of the persistent upscale EURO brands are the only brands maintaining this and selling the REAL THING here in the US... just for that.. despite the improvements that do make me jealous (5sp AUTO, better mileage, good looks).. I refuse to consider the new civic.. it is once again a ripoff.. cheapening the car, just so they can lower the sticker with the bigger engine... Americans should go ask for the smaller engin if they want a cheap car.. nit ruin the whole car for all of us.
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45-46mpg is awesome, although Hondas always get better gas mileage when it's warm out. The hotter it is, the better gas mileage they get. My '01 EX coupe 5sp. has 156k mi. on it, and I 'm still getting 35-37mpg with the A/C on. When the winter comes though, I know my mileage will drop back down to 32-34mpg (that's averaging 72-74mph). Hopefully I 'll be in an '06 by then if I can have one for close to invoice. I don't want to wait until my original clutch goes. I estimate by Jan-Feb. my g7 Civic will have 165-170k mi. on it.
BTW don't all rush to get an '06. That drives the prices up for all of us (or most of us that don't want to pay sticker). Let them fill up their lots in October and get anxious a little, and then they 'll have no choice but to start dealing. If we could all hold out until Nov.1st to buy an '06, do you have any idea what kind of impact that will have on the prices? If they only sold 400 Civics, instead of the usual 40,000 in the month of October, they 'd be "giving them away" because they have to make room for the other 40,000 on their way in.. EVERYONE hold off a couple of weeks. We can make a difference and show them that we are not going to pay $19 grand for a dang Civic. The public, we the buyers, control the prices, aka the fair market price as Edmunds calls it. If everyone runs to the dealerships on Oct. 1st like they gotta have a Civic NOW or they 'll have a baby, what do you think dealers will do? They may even charge you more than sticker! Try and stay away for a few weeks. Pass the word, e-mail your friends. I know it won't happen but what do I have to lose? I type 65 words/min... Didn't waste too much time typing
'06 Civic LX coupe
'11 BMW 335i coupe xDrive
'13 Honda Accord sedan (wife's car)
Interestingly, the Royal Blue is the only Civic (in history, to my knowledge) to offer a choice of two interior colors. You can get either Ivory or Gray. I've owned eight Hondas (out of nine cars in my life) and the lack of interior color options has always irritated me. I hate light interior (tan/ivory/beige). White is my favorite exterior color and the new Civic looks great in it, but it comes with ivory interior. Yuck!
I've always read that limiting one interior to the exterior color simplifies manufacturing and reduces cost. I'm sure it does and I doubt many customers refuse to buy just for this reason. I just limit my exterior color choices to ones that have the interior color I like. But a choice would be nice... ""
I agree with you completely. I have the blue '01 Civic and it only came with an tan/ivory interior. It is now pretty much black. Light interior gets dirty very easily and very fast. I hate it.
'06 Civic LX coupe
'11 BMW 335i coupe xDrive
'13 Honda Accord sedan (wife's car)
Anyway, here is how the data plays out (allowing for a tolerance of about +/- 100-200 RPM or so). I have included the results from the MANUAL version below the results for the AUTO for comparison:
'06 CIVIC DX (Sedan&2DR) 5SP Auto:
Final drive: 4.437, 5th gear ratio: .525, Tires: 195/65-15
RPM@60: 1887 RPM@70: 2202 RPM@75: 2359 (Auto)
RPM@60: 2529 RPM@70: 2951 RPM@75: 3162 Manual)
'06 CIVIC LX/EX (Sedan&2DR) 5SP Auto:
Final drive: 4.437, 5th gear ratio: .525, Tires: 205/55-16
RPM@60: 1895 RPM@70: 2211 RPM@75: 2369 (Auto)
RPM@60: 2539 RPM@70: 2963 RPM@75: 3174 (Manual)
For anyone who owns/has driven these, are these at least in the ballpark?
The RPMs for the AUTO are close, but a little lower, than my '02 V6 EX Coupe (which is a 4sp auto).