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Honda Civic Sedan 2006
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Replying to: gabagooo1 (Sep 22, 2005 10:10 pm)
I've been told a lot of things by the dealers which weren't really true. I thought we had decided that the top gear was taller on the auto and that's why the mileage was better. This makes the most sense because I've seen taller gearing in economy cars to get great fuel economy.
Maybe he meant the new computer for the auto improved shifting and allowed a higher gear because shifting was so precise. I'd be curious to see what the other dealers say.
This is all very weird. And getting weirder by the minute. The argument that all of a sudden the sticks got worse mileage than automatics due to a manufacturer response to a plague of hwy "inshiftability' by people who bought sticks in the first place, has never been driven home in a convincing way. :confuse:
Now the new 2006Lexus IS250 automatic has an EPA rating of 24/32 and the 6-speed stick has 20/29. (Must be one heck of a grade out on the hwy that they are preparing their manual drivers for) :confuse:
Maybe you shouldn't buy either. They are dead weight and the "good"ones weigh even more. I know in my TSX I took out the rears and I'm considering whether its worth dragging those front mats around for the life of the car. It's a small but not irrelevant matter.
If you are paying cash for your car then don't tell them that UNTIL you have agreed on the price. Their gonna ask you things like....do you have a trade? How much do you want your payments to be? Are you going to finance? When are you looking to buy? Bottom line...what you tell them is real simple....just tell them that all you are going to discuss is the price of the car...period! Always remember, you are the customer...you are always right! IF they want your business they will understand that! Be firm in your talks with them...that doesn't mean that you have to be nasty...you can be straight to the point and be civil about it. # 1 thing in my mind is do your research BEFORE you step foot on the lot...be an informed buyer...trust me in the end it will be well worth it. Edmunds is just packed with all the info you need...look over this entire webpage...not just this forum...look up everything there is to know about the new Civic...and when you are done, and you go to the lot you will be amazed...knowledge is power! In fact, if I was a bettin' man I would say that if you do your homework then you will know more than the salesman will! When I go to the lot I always test my salesman just to see how much they know...if they don't know about the product they are trying to sell you then there is something wrong...i.e. case in point...one salesman was telling me that the new Civic had 166 hp...I said are you sure? He said yes...I then burst his bubble and said you are confusing the Accord 4 cyl with the Civic...
Remember the game is not over UNTIL after you leave the finance office...that is where you are going to be offered all that bs that you don't need...i.e. paint protection, fabric protection, extended warranty, etc...I have owned Honda products since 1984 and have never needed and extended warranty....IF you do decide to purchase one make sure you read the fine print on what is actually covered...you may be surprised...IMO you do not need the extended warranty...and even if you change your mind you can always walk onto any Honda dealer and purchase one later...
Add ons are where the dealer makes his money....floor mats come standard with the Civic...not the all weather type...just the carpet type...the flaps, pin stripe, wheel locks are always way over priced...in fact...just look at the msrp sticker and haggle from there...that little sticker the dealer puts next to it with all the add on prices...ignore it, period...it's bs!
Good luck in your buying experience...remember that the internet person will appear to be good through emails....but in the end they are salesman just like the rest...and don't believe the internet person when they say internet pricing is fixed!
Bologna! nothing is set in stone...and if you still are not comfortable with going to the dealer by yourself...take someone who has been through this process before...it will help big time....
Be firm! Knowledge is power! Be willing to walk if you don't get your deal!
Your the customer, your always right!
Good luck...let us know how you do!!
all my dealers are selling out before they get the civics and my mom wants to test drive 1 b4 she buys 1 , salesman calls me yesterday and tells me that their getting the exact car we want ( civic coupe lx atomic blue ) this coming tuesday, says he doesn't know if it'll be reserved/sold by the time it gets here and would like for us to put some money down, to make sure "we're serious about buying" and said it was around 500 dollars, what do you think we should do? oh and i've been in contact with around 5 dealers in my area and 2 of them know my name by heart and phone probably cuz i call them everyday at exactly the same time....
If I ever drag race my Accord I'll remember the floor mats. I'd never thought of removing them before.
Don't forget a gallon of gasoline weighs 5.8 to 6.3 pounds. If you drive a Civic around on less than half a tank you'll save as much as 42 pounds. If you drag race, just put a gallon in.
Worst thing that happens is she doesn't like it, you get your deposit back (probably just a charge card hit that they might not even process), and they sell it the same day to someone else.
They really just want the deposit to get you attached to the car, and make sure that you have to return, even if just to get the deposit back! That, and some people will reserve units at multiple dealers, and then pit them against one another while freezing inventory.
2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.
I'd tell them that I will not pay a deposit to test drive. I'll be there the day the car arrives and expect to drive it. If they won't agree to that, hold out for a while if you can. In a month or so every dealer is going to have Civics in stock and discounts may even be possible. Patience is the key.
http://www.usatoday.com/money/autos/reviews/healey/2005-09-22-civics_x.htm
I guess typical civic drivers must like it because I'm the only one complaing :-)
(Sorry for off-topic post--hard to think of cars at this time. My best friend and his family live southeast of Houston.)
I don't feel the same way for my '01. My '01 has a more touchy clutch and it's a little jerky at times. I stalled it several times in the first week or two after I bought it. I 've never stalled any of my cars before! I know it's not me because I 've been driving a stick since 1982. I got used to the '01 's clutch but I feel the shifter is still not as good or accurate as the '97's (it's not bad though) and according to the USA Today article it doesn't look like the '06s are either.
One thing this article confirmed for me is the fact that the coupes have firmer springs and shocks with bigger sway bars. That is what I wanted to hear. Also the height difference of 3" (!!) between the Coupe and Sedan, tells me that the coupes might be sitting 1/2 inch lower to the ground (I hope) because I can't see all 3" accounting to more headroom, unless the Coupe's windshield is more aggressively angled which looks like it from the small pics in the USA Today article.
'06 Civic LX coupe
'11 BMW 335i coupe xDrive
'13 Honda Accord sedan (wife's car)
It doesn't get any better. With 156k on the odo, my '01 EX still shifts the same with the exception that the clutch now grabs a little higher. The more worn out it gets the higher your knee will go but I didn't notice it grabbing higher up until 120-130k mi. It 's very gradual and you probably won't notice it at all. I really don't have a problem with it and got used to it very quickly.
BTW, I forgot to mention that as your g7 Civic (or any Civic) gets broken in and the miles pass, the shifts get smoother and everything because the bushings wear out and are more flexible as well as the tranny mounts, etc. When a car is new sometimes we misinterpret new/stiff bushings and mounts, as "jerky" and such, like when shifting for example. The clutch disc, flwheel, and pressure plate, as well as the gear box (tranny) and your shift linkage, all go through a break-in periord. That period is actually about 10-15k mi.
As everything gets broken in (motor, tranny & clutch), and softer and flexible as in the case with suspension bushings, rubber motor & tranny mounts, the tolerance levels get higher, movement of parts increases, etc. so some of the "jerking" goes away and your car seems to shift easier and smoother. It's because it's not as "tight" as it was when it was new and the parts have settled in and have adjusted to the forces exerted on them.
However the jerking might return after 120k or 130k or so miles when the motor mounts and tranny mounts get excessively worn out (sprited driving and drag racing at the light causes them to crack and fail prematurely), as well as the control arm bushings. When just lifting from the throttle now, usually in 3d or 4th, the car has started to do a quick jerk back and forth. One of the tranny mounts is fubar. I have already replaced 2 of the 5 motor mounts because the car wanted to change lanes everytime I floored it. But racing-like behavior on the streets with an econo-car will do this, and you 'll find yourself in the shop paying $150-200 for a single motor mount (the motor's larger torque mounts can cost $100 just for 1 of them, smaller ones are less) or $250+ for 2 bad ones. Luckily that's all I had to pay for so far and it's because of my lead foot. The dealer was trying to tell me it was torque steer at first. I said "really, how many low torque 127hp cars have you seen jerk a foot or more to the side when hitting the gas?" Then the service manager came out and said he just drove it, and it was defititely too much pull for torque steer so they put it on the lift and proved me right. They never cease to amaze me how ignorant these service advisors are, or how much they lie, because they thought I had an ext. warranty and probably didn't want to do any of the work.
'06 Civic LX coupe
'11 BMW 335i coupe xDrive
'13 Honda Accord sedan (wife's car)
As with any new car I buy, I made them add the clause "Any parts, accessories, or extended warranties at dealer cost." Always be sure to have the GM or salesmanager sign this on your bill of sale.
I bought it for a commuter/daily driver and I've got about 200 miles on it so far. My initial impressions are very good.
The car is roomy and solid. It handles tightly and understeer is built in. The suspension is very compliant and I dare say rides as well as the accord. I'm 6' 1" and 220 and the civic offers a comfy if intimate cabin. There is lots of legroom and just enough headroom even with the sunroof. The tilting and telescoping steering wheel is great. It gives you a couple of inches to make your seating position "just right". The large dead pedel is excellent. The seats are larger and more supportive than previous civics and the faux suede cloth is very grippy. The sunroof is larger than previous models although it still doesn't open all the way. The new two tier dash takes a lil getting used to but the blue glow and digital display on the EX is very cool. The 350 watt stereo is great!! Purists will say is lacks midrange clarity and the bass is a tad muddy but it is a great system overall. 6 disc changers are the norm nowadays but my experience is that they are slow and I forget what's in the changer. Now I just make a MIX CD full of .mp3s and let the tunes roll. The mini-din input for a portable player is excellent. My 92 Talon Tsi had this feature but back then, walkmans were the standard instead of Ipods. The trunk is spacious and the 60/40 split rear seats will come in handy. All I need now is a set of all weather trunk and floor mats.
ENGINE/DRIVETRAIN
The engine is smooth and willing and the additional torque is welcome. The throttle by wire is a tad slow compared to brands such as BMW but it still responds well for daily use. This engine is easily the best SOHC engine I've seen from honda. 30/38mpg puts a smile on my face all day long. The tranny is smooth with short throws and maybe just a hint of notchiness. Honda simply builds the best shifting cable operated manuals I've ever driven.
COMPLAINTS and PEEVS
*sunroof needs to open all the way
*emergency brake lever rubs my knee and might be an issue for taller drivers. I plan to add some padding.
*the instrument cluster is futuristic and simple while the dash (non nav) is complicated and busy.
*the speaker grills look cheap. I hope someone makes some nice replacements
*the fog light covers gotta go, fog light should be standard on the EX anyway
Anyway, that's all for now... see you on the highway
My salesperson said all the new ones he got when they first released were all Japan made. They haven't gotten any US/Canada made yet
Guys, thanks alot for all your help, I really appreciate it. I know much more now then before. But, I have to go alone since I don't know anyone else that know they stuff, other than my girlfriend. If I decided to pay in cash all upfront, would I expect tons of paperwork or just one sheet to sign and that would be it, since I'm not financing or leasing, just purchasing it with cash. I just hope that internet consultant that I spoke to is nice in person and won't to the bait and switch on me. She just reschedule our appointment for tomorrow, seem a bit strange that she reschedule our appointment. It was suppose to be today.
Thanks alot everyoone.
I was wondering if you can please interpret this sentence that you wrote ..."Any parts, accessories, extended warranties at dealer cost." What do you mean by that. Is it important to do so.
Thank you
Or did you just talk to the internet person over the phone?
Thanks!
2014 Mini Cooper (stick shift of course), 2016 Camry hybrid, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (keeping the stick alive)
Cool boy, crazy boy,
Stay cool, boy!
Got a rocket in your pocket,
Stay cool-ee-cool, boy!
Good advice when you go in to see the car dealer. Of course you want that new Civic so bad you can taste it. But don't let them know that!! Stay cool, as in, "Well, I kind of like the Civic, and if--IF--it's the right price, I'll buy one today, but if not, I can wait, or go down the street and look at (fill in the blank)." The key to successful negotiations is, always be ready to walk out the door.
If your girlfriend is experienced in car buying negotiations, by all means have her come along to help you. Besides, it will make her feel good that you trust her to help you with a major decision like this.
Hope this help
Also if the deal really is legit she should have no problem sending you an email with the exact price and other terms.
Are you sure she 's not trying to sell you a left over 2005? Make sure she 's talking about an '06 because I 'm getting suspecious since you 've been dealing with this lady for a couple of weeks now. Noone had any '06 models 2 weeks ago in the US. Did she tell you she has the color you want, etc. available in the lot? "Around $16,800" could mean hundreds more. What is invoice on the LX sedan auto? What is the sales tax rate where you live? Don't repeat that to her again "a few hundreds within $16.8K is ok by me.." Don't ever say that to a salesperson. Say "ok you got a deal, $16.8K but not a penny more, now send it to me in an e-mail". It's always better to deal in e-mail and so you have the price in writing. Print it out and take it with you when you go see her. If you don't have it in writing, they could produce any price they want and come up with any story they like when you get there. They did it to my dad 2yrs ago. The Subaru salesman told my dad over the phone he 'd give him the car for invoice and when he got there, they wanted invoice but that included the $1,000 dealer incentive. BULL. A promise is a promise. We started walking out and the GM came out in the parking lot and apologized and asked us to come back in and he 'd go over the figures. We got the Subaru Impreza Wagon 2.5L AWD at $1 over invoice minus $1K dealer incentive (which the manufacturers give to the dealers so they can sell the cars faster). So it came out $999 under invoice (plus tax of course).
I guarantee you this lady is going to mess with you. They always do when they use the word "around" so much..
'06 Civic LX coupe
'11 BMW 335i coupe xDrive
'13 Honda Accord sedan (wife's car)
2006 Honda Civic
This is garbage. Of course, they will sign it since they will never tell you what their true costs is. They will make up a price and you have no choice but to believe it.
If your purchase is sound, than you got a fair deal and I and hope others will just walk out of the dealership until they start reducing it further.. Never know, it could go down $500 or more in a few weeks. Just hoping they will....
If you are paying cash the only things you should be signing are the purchase agreement....which has the price breakdown of the car and it also lists all of the other charges...i.e. tax, tag, dealer fee, doc fee...etc...plus you will have to sign another paper that's states that you do not want any extra's like paint sealant, fabric protection, extended warranty, and any possible maintenance program where you pay for your routine maintenance ahead of time...that should be it...no credit checks....nothing like that is needed...not sure if your paying actual cash, personal check, bank check, or whatever...but they do reserve the right to make sure your check clears before letting you drive off the lot...if you don't want to wait they will make you fill out a credit app and set up financing just in case your check bounces....either way they are going to protect their interest...
Now the price of the car...I hate to say it...but based on my researched there is no way you are going to get an 06 Civic LX for 16,800 out the door...the numbers just do not add up....even if they sold the car to you at invoice...by the time you add in tax, tags, and any dealer fees you are going to be way over 16,800...as somebody mentioned earlier...they may be trying to sell you an 05 and even then the numbers seem a little tight but doable...
I agree with the other post...get them to breakdown the price including all fees and have them send it to you....I think that they may burst your bubble....
But nonetheless good luck and let us know...I am curious to see how it turn out!
Good luck!
Hey, don't be a wise guy!
What does seem odd to me is the fairly sudden change in MPG's. I would like to see absolute values at a steady state 60, 70, or 80. Let's be clear, once a car is going at hwy speeds and is in it's final gear be tha t4th, 5th, or 6th, it really is just a question of the gearing when comparing auto vs manual in the same car and other things being equal, nothing more.
Most of the mileage in my 130 mile daily commute is at hwy speeds which are 79-80 here in So. AZ. So that final gear ratio is important. (you should know that from cycling. Yeah the efficiency of the cyclist matters, but imagine the straightaways in low gear). I bought my first automatic (after 39 years of driving) with my 04 TSX but I miss the involvement I had with shifting and gliding and anticipating lights etc. Driving an auto has reminded me of the steady state of some stoners I know, but it is hard to justify buying a manual when you know you are going to be all abuzz at hwy speeds.
I will be adding photos today and if anyone wants a specific shot, please email me and I'll take it for you.
2006 Civic photos
I'd like to comment on the new key. No more key fob remotes. The keyless entry is inside the key now. I like it.
Also, the new wipers are cool. They are large and pivot towards the sides of the car instead of in the middle of the car. I'm sure there is some engineering behind this as a way to improve wiper action but it isn't mentioned in the brochure.
Speaking of the brochure, the centerfold of the brochure is a spread just on safety features. The list reads like a car you'd see from Volvo. I was very surprised to see so many safety features I wasn't aware of.
At least you did the right thing. You turned around and walked out. A couple of months of good production numbers will take care of this shortage, if there is one, and there will be plenty to talk about.
I think its particularly ironic where he says that Hybrids are a "terrible business prospect". They surely are for him because they won't have their first one until next year, and they have to license the technology from Toyota to produce it, because Nissan has none of their own.
http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/News/articleId=107358