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Honda Civic Sedan 2006
I think nobody knows a lot about those future vehicules (Acura EL is a luxurious version of the Civic, only sold in Canada) but here is what I think they might change: the base civic will just keep the 1.7 VTEC engine (127 hp) and the non-VTEC one will just disappear (115 hp). The Si version may get the 2 liter engine of the SiR and RSX/Integra (160 hp). I think it's gonna become bigger too, since the Jazz/Fit is said to come in North America. Anything else?
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If Honda did like most of these American car companies and told everybody about there cars ahead of time, the remaining inventory might not sell out as well.
You will NEVER see a redesigned Civic, Accord, Camry or Corolla debut at an autoshow.
http://www.vtec.net/news/news-item?news_item_id=168190
I could live without either of those, but Honda's electric steering is getting better (eg the s2000) and the Civic's steering never got rave reviews in previous generations anyway, and tall, slabby cars just seem to be popular. To other people.
I'll be upset when it gets heavier and maintains Honda's movement towards mainstream mediocrity. Rumors abound about the CRX coming back; I bet they'll decide that the rest of the Civic line can be boring once that's back.
High school parking lots aren't full of mildly souped up Civics, Integras, and Preludes anymore. This is their chance to permanently lose that fan base, and I think they'll do it.
The CRX (1988-1991) is slowly becoming a collector car. I predict the Integra Type R will be too.
With the safety regulations, and reinforced crash structures on new cars we probably wont see anything as light and nimble as the 5th gen Civic/CRX, or with anything with low cowls as the 6th and 7th gen Civics unless you go for an exotic like the Lotus Elise.
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http://www.channel4.com/4car/gallery/spy-shots-2004/H/honda-civic- .html
But, there is a rumor for the next EL to have 200 HP engine.
All I've heard if the Ex will have a 140 HP engine, up 10%, while increasing economy.
DrFill
If the US version is going to be the same as Europe and Asia, then the sedan may look similar in front.
I'd like to see a diesel for 2007 so you can have hybrid MPG without the cost and complexity.
Maybe around 50MPG highway even with automatic.
Whoever turns this into a hot rod Si/Type R will have some work to do. It is going to be very difficult to make that look aggressive or sporty. The current Si/Type R have a very aggressive stance, with good headroom front and back. With the very sloping hatch in the new version, the rear headroom will be less than the current RSX, and the weight distribution will be more forward biased. IMHO.
Unfortunately, the new Civic will be improved at Honda's glacial pace - adding features (telescoping wheel, retained accessory power) that have been on offer by the competiton for several years now. High school parking lots now have written off the current gen. Civic and are more interested in Mazdas, Subarus and Fords (Focus). The Civic is slowly becoming "your father's Civic".
I've always wondered what kind of styling people like us could come up with before judging stylists (who, BTW, have to not only think style, but practicality and other engineering requirements as well). Most of the times I feel we simply refuse to accept change, or continue to lug on to something that we like.
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I think this is more likely to be someone's wishful thinking based on current Honda vehicles than anything else.
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I think that the new look is even more European than the current Si hatchback. Which is one of the reasons it is not selling as well as Honda would have liked it to sell.
I wonder what the US version will be like?
DrFill
From the spy shots it looks like the front will be McPherson. There is not enough room for the double wishbone. I have to say though, the Si's McPherson suspension is just as good if not better than the 99's double wishbone.
"The New Civic will have 2-, 3-, 4- and 5-door versions and feature a completely new body, plus four new engine options: a new version of the i-VTEC gas engine, a compressed natural gas power option, an improved hybrid system, and an advanced diesel. The award-winning i-CTDi diesel won’t be sold in the U.S. The natural gas powered Civic, to be built in Ohio, will be the cleanest internal combustion engine in the world."
However, it is unlikely they are any more worried about matching features with a VW Jetta now than they were during the last redesign. It's not like the VW Jetta competes well on price or reliability. Even the Mazda 3 when loaded with features not available on a Civic get's very expensive for what it is.
I suppose an in-dash CD changer could be possible in the EX since the 2005 Civic SE has that. You can also expect side curtain airbags and ABS standard.
Acura's are usually released in April, so the new EL may, and I say MAY, be released in April. But that would kill the suprize factor that Honda likes, and will drop the current Civic sales, as people will be waiting for the new model.
If the new Civic is as revolutinary, and not Honda ususal EVOLUTIONARY change, there will be some deals on the current Civic come fall. I see a loaded EX/SE 4 door being sold for $15K or close with dealer incentives.
Engines and transmissions are supposed to be much improved, the interiors usefully larger, and that is welcome...but the rest of it is just more styling fru-fru. I was hoping for the full range of worldwide body offerings here, but apparently, not in the cards.
Besides, Honda created the two-door coupé specifically for the US market because American-market Civic buyers wanted such a model.
Today I found some of the pictures of the 2006 Civic Si concept, and I must say, aside from the normal autoshow junk they add to spruce up the cars looks, I really like the way the new civic looks. If they keep the same sort of lines in the sedan, it would go to the top of my current list of cars I am considering to purchase. If not, I could settle for a coupe if they took off the wing and different color hood, and added clear head-lights.
Any ideas what the base powertrain might be? I'm hoping for a 1.8l i-VTEC making about 130-140hp, 125-135lb/ft with fairly similar gas mileage as current models, and hopefully a 5speed auto borrowed from the RSX. I think all of Honda's vehicles are iVTEC and all offer 5speed for the auto tranny, except Civic, so hopefully that will change with the new generation.
"Both the Sedan and Coupe will feature the latest generation of our intelligent VTEC technology that improves performance while setting a new standard for fuel efficiency and low emissions in the compact class."
the rest of the transcript is here: http://www.vtec.net/news/news-item?news_item_id=328513
Most likely we will just get the coupe, sedan, and Si coupe without any hatchback. Hatches don't do well in America normally. Personally, I don't like the lines of the Civic 5door from the spy shots. I don't like hatcbacks in general, save for a few that I think are nice looking such as the Mazda 3 and VW Golf.
tC, Mazda6, old Supra, Camaro were all Fastbacks. Mazda3, Protege5, Civic Si are Hatchbacks.
SUV's can be considered hatchbacks, but rather large ones.
Hatchback in its essence is a 2 box body, with somewhat sqared off cargo area. Fastback would have a sloping rear.
Although Fastback have slightly more utility, they are no better than sedans at carrying large loads with the "lid closed" due to the sloping of the rear. Hatchbacks, with the squared off rear, can carry large loads with the hatch closed.
One of the biggest news stories from last week's Chicago auto show was the return of a Civic Si two-door to the Honda lineup, if only in concept form. Honda told press audiences last week that the sporty two-door shown in Chicago was a concept, but that 90 percent of its looks were accurate in terms of the coming Civic Si coupe due in the fall. The eighth-generation Civic will be a 2006 model, and will certainly sport a model like this one, probably with the concept's 200-hp, four-cylinder engine in hand. The front-wheel-drive Si will be the fastest Civic yet, said John Mendel, senior vice president of American Honda Motor Co. -- and Honda will introduce it officially in November at the annual Specialty Equipment Manufacturer's Association (SEMA) show in Las Vegas. The Civic Si concept also features a six-speed manual transmission, 18-inch wheels and Brembo caliper brakes. The new Civic range will include a hybrid version and be loaded with safety equipment, making it the "safest car in its class," Mendel added.
When would the non-Si models be available? I heard that it will be introdused as a 2006 model in the fall of 2005. What are the estimates on when this will be? I was planning on purchasing a new car in June/July but the next-gen Civic makes me want to wait. So am I being optimistic when I hope that by 'fall' they mean September? I don't mind waiting 2 months, but I don't want to wait until mid November. I hope Honda is forthcoming about powertrain specs and photos of the exterior and interior well in advance of the car's release.