Honda Civic Sedan 2006

ctalk · August 2005

" but I think it's a shame Honda could not offer some versions of the new civic which would surpass the mazdas and scions. "

How do you know the new Civic cant surpass Mazdas or Scions?
Have you read a review about?

and you keep saying Mazda 3 and Scion outperform the new Civic.
Do you have the 0-60 rating? Have you test drove it?

Wow you know so much about the 2006 Civic. :surprise:
Or are you just making a blank statement...

claudius753 · August 2005

The new Civic will have a base engine with 140hp@6300 rpm and 128lb/ft@4300 rpm. The 2.0l in the 3i has 148hp@6500 rpm and 135lb/ft@4500 rpm. The Civic is only giving up 8hp and 7lb/ft to the 3, but it is getting it's peak power at a slightly lower rpm compared to the 3. Not really that much of a difference. I don't know how the new SAE guidelines will change these figures (I think the Honda figures may already be based on the new regs)

Combined with the fact that the Civic will have a 5 speed auto compared to the 4 speed auto on the 3i, I would think that the acceleration will be so similar that the difference will be imperceptible to the average driver. What won't be imperceptible is the money spent at the gas pump.

Now, if the interior shots of the european model are what we are going to get for the NA market, I don't know how much I like that. I'd have to see it in person but I think it will probably be more toned down for us.

ctalk · August 2005

"Yet people here continue to throw baseless statements like "mazda 3 costs $22K", or "scion is a bottom of the barrel brand" or "scion is only for college kids" or "civic does not compete with the scion or the mazda" and so forth."

You know who else is throwing baseless statements? You!

You haven't even driven the car (or read a review about it) and you're already saying its not as good as Mazda 3 or Scion.

Kirstie_H · August 2005

With the hostility and personal comments. Members who cannot cease with the arguing and accusations are at risk of having their posting priviliges revoked in this discussion.

user1235 · August 2005

because it makes people realize how a brand that commands market share due to its past record, leverages that position to keep charging a premium while offering less. If you're at the top it gives you an advantage because some people buy what they see other people drive based on the belief that if a lot of people have it, it must be good. My point is that it may not be the best.

2006 Scion tC (w/side airbags) vs 2006 Honda Civic EX coupe

engine: 2.4L 160 hp > 1.8L 140 hp
airbags: side, curtain, knee > side
wheels: 17" > 16" (or 15")
moonroof: dual panoramic > single
company: Toyota > Honda
made in: Japan > USA

Price: $17365 vs $17000 (at least)

I need to buy a car in the next few months (like many other people). Now convince me why I should buy the civic over the scion ? unless the reviews of the civic say something like "despite it's smaller engine and wheels, and the impressive skid pad and braking performance of the scion (due to its large 4 wheel disc brakes) and it's chrome exhaust and tight suspension.....despite all this we somehow felt that the new civic handles better. And despite the near lexus quietness of the scion, the civic felt more refined with amazingly low levels of noise and vibration". Resale value ? scion is a toyota and so far depreciation of the scion tC has been extremely low. Fuel economy ? have to give it to the civic. Styling, interiror quality ? scion = proven, new civic = unknown

blueiedgod · August 2005

...Combined with the fact that the Civic will have a 5 speed auto compared to the 4 speed auto on the 3i, I would think that the acceleration will be so similar that the difference will be imperceptible to the average driver. What won't be imperceptible is the money spent at the gas pump...

I think talking about acceleration times and AUTO in the same sentence is SACRELIGIOUS!!!

backy · August 2005

All '06 Civics will have standard side curtains and side bags. Also it's highly unlikely the new Civic EX will have only 15" wheels. We don't know which car will handle and brake better until the '06 Civic is out. And as soon as that happens, we will be able to assess the styling and interior quality. Patience. You can't buy a '06 Civic now even if you wanted to, so no need to rush to judgment.

bamacar · August 2005

Scion has already had to redesign the tC stereo door as they kept falling off. Hopefully the price increased 2006 with modifications for the "proven with problems" interior will reverse this problem and the moonroof/deflector problems also. I don't think a less than 1 year model with noted problems makes any design "proven" unless it proves that Scion has some 1st year problems like most other cars.

Also here in the Southeast at my local dealer the 2006 tC manual with airbag package is $17845. Once again the gap may be bigger than you think between it and the 2006 Civic EX when the invoice and below prices arrive.

ctalk · August 2005

I'll just wait till it comes out... then i'll comment on the new Civic.
Theres nothing we can say now, we dont know how quick it is and we dont know how it handles. So dont jump to conclusions.

claudius753 · August 2005

Of course a manual will wield better acceleration times. But I'm willing to bet that most Mazda 3i's are autos, as well as most of the new Civics (not the Si). In this case, the average driver wouldn't be able to really notice a difference in acceleration. Even if both cars were manual, I don't think the average driver would be able to notice much of a difference.

I guess we will know more pretty soon, since that ride and drive event for dealers and salesmen is coming up next week I think.

user1235 · August 2005

to put it differently a=F/m, so if the mass (=weight) is constant and you increase the power (F) you will get more accelaration. Of course the drag coefficient also matters, but a car with 160 hp will generally accelarate faster then a car with 140 hp. And that's a fact.

backy · August 2005

Weight isn't constant. Nor is torque, gearing (already mentioned), and electronics (e.g.some cars with automatics hesitate for a split second when floored). Everything else being equal, the car with 160 hp will accelerate faster than one with 140.

chidoro · August 2005

This is a thread about 2006 Civic information, not a personal and rather sad diatribe by a particular anti-honda poster. User.... your posts are out of line from the general outline of this thread, and completely out of place. You have no point or information about the soon to be released Civic except that there are other vehicles you find a better value.

Please, refer to the title of this thread, then read what you are about to hit "enter" and post with, and then, decide if that particular drivel belongs in this forum. Based off of your track record, I will guess no. Maybe it belongs in a heated thread that includes your anti-civic vehicles, but not in a thread that is about discussing the leaked details of the new civic.

maxamillion1 · August 2005

And Toyota acknowledges this. Afterall, it is priced below and positioned under Toyota in all respects.

Recently, the average age for Honda, Toyota and to an extent Nissan's buyer's bases have increased with each redesign. So it seems that buyers of the new Accord, Camries, Civic and Corollas of the world were probably repeat buyers who are driving up the aveage buyers age. And that makes perfect sense when you think about it.

For example, my mother was 23 at the time when she got her first Honda. It was an 1983 Honda Civic, which at that time was a compact car that was reliable and had a low price. She was pregnant with me at the time and buy the time I was born, she upgraded to the 1984 Accord. She has since bought a 1992 Honda Accord, 1995 Honda Passport and a 2003 Honda Odyssey. Now, at age 43 (twenty years!!!!), she is getting ready to get a Honda Pilot EXL (2006) By the time I finish college and get a good job, I'll be getting my mother an Acura TL (her first Acura)

So basically, my mother is aging with Honda and will eventually move over to Acura. She bought Honda because it was the best car she ever had (after a couple of Escorts, Chevelles, etc.)

The poster "Anonymouspost" is another good example of this. I think her first car was a 1992 Accord EX Coupe. She's literally been with Honda since. And has since had Civics, Accords (on her third 7th gen model) and an Odyssey. ( I hope she doesn't mind me using her as an example!)

I, on the other hand, was not at all interested in the Accord, Camry, Civic or Corolla's styling when I got my first car last year. The cars were nice, but the styling didn't do much for me. But I knew they were good cars because I grow up in them. I'm 19 (almost twenty) a mere 3 years younger than my mother was when she first got her 83 Civic. The Civic appealed to her back in 85, but it doesn't appeal to me in 05 (06, I like so far). My sister, who is four years older than me doesn't like the current Civic either.

That's what scares the heck out of Honda, Toyota and Nissan (somewhat). Younger folks aren't buying their products like they did back in the 70s, 80s and early 90s. The lower prices of those days are gone, as well as the sportiness(especially Honda) but that could change with the new Civic. Also the latest small cars from these brands get bigger and bigger with each generation. The current Corolla and Civic are as big as the Accord and Camrys of the 90s.

So this has become a bittersweet thing for these companies. On one hand, they have a loyal base of customers who repeatedly buy their new products. But these customers are aging and the younger folks are buying up other cars (the reason Mazda and Mitsubishi have younger buying ages, and probably lower sells too.)

Then they have Kia and Hyundai, who are improving OVERNIGHT it seems in quality and having cars at lower prices.

So Toyota, like always, usually leads the pack, and they came out with Scion to try and draw in the younger buyers into the brand. The xA and xB are most definitely entry-level cars because they lack the size, power and price of the compact Civic, Corolla, Sentra and other cars of today. The Echo was Toyota's attempt at this, but it was ugly (subjective).

Honda is doing similar things as well, but they don't have to worry about the aging demographic as much as Toyota does (Ages 56 vs. 52 with the Camry and Accord) That's why Honda isn't introducing a brand under them, but instead coming out with the FIT (hatch and sedan) and they already have the Element to compete with the xB. The FIT, in hatchback form will compete with the xA. The Civic coupe, of course, will compete with the Scion tC.

Nissan is doing similar things as well. They'll be coming out with smaller sedan under the Sentra, and a small hatchback and coupe in 2007. The Nissan CUBE isn't coming here unfortunately.

These companies are trying to cater to the younger, college-bound crowd. Like they did back in the day when my mother was my age. So today's FIT is more in line with yesterday's Honda Civic..and today's tC is more in line with the Celicas of yore.

And thus, Scion is an Entry-level brand that competes with Honda's Element and soon-to-be FIT...to cater to the younger folks who can't afford the Civics, Corollas and other cars of the world. The tC is basically the alternative Civic coupe (because I can't see a Corolla coupe)

That, in essence is why Toyota has dropped the Celica, MR2 Spider and Echo. Those cars are more entry level and sporty, and thus the xA in a sense replaces the Echo and the tC replaces the Celica (and is cheaper too).

So in the end SCION could be seen as the Entry level brand and sportier brand of Toyota. Because the tC is somewhat sporty, but the xA and xB really are not, and all these cars, based on price and size are lower than what Toyota would want to offer.

ctalk · August 2005

with you there about Scion.

biker4 · August 2005

Give the kid a prize for a very thoughful and well written explanation. :shades:

maxamillion1 · August 2005

...Give me a Job

Specifically Honda, Nissan, Toyota or Mazda. I'll take whoever offers the best(smiles)

That's the goal for me after college graduation, and of course to buy another car from one of the top four Japanese automakers. Really waiting for the next Sentra.

That's the dream.

blueiedgod · August 2005

Hate break it to you, but your mom is 45. IF she was 23 in 1983, that means she was born in 1960, which makes her 45 in 2005. :-) Other than that, good post.

blueiedgod · August 2005

" Although it shares a 160-horsepower rating with the Camry, it actually has slightly less torque (161 pound-feet versus 163 lb-ft). Strangemaybe it works out at the same gym that BMW's inline sixes belong to."

There is odviously something better about Honda's engine.

* I dont know about the drag coefficient though... I remember reading somewhere Camry's was better, maybe i'm wrong.

Hond ais good at eliminating drive train losses. Average car loses about 20-30% to the tranny and such, Honda only loses 10-15%. Plus Honda knows how to gear transmissions for their engines, so that they are producing power and provide fuel economy.

When the new Accord came out, Temple VTEC dynoed it, when they applied the coefficient they have been using to conver wheel HP to crank HP it came out at 180 hp. But when the engine is dyoned on the stand it produced 160 hp. This just meant that Honda was able to reduce the drive train losses to put more power to the wheels.

This is why Accord is more fuel efficent and faster than Camry. It is an old logic: "Do more with less" Honda's 160 hp Civic Si can whip Toyota's 180 hp Corolla XRS/Matrix XRS, and can hang with the 175 hp Sentra SE-R Spec V. Same for regular Civic with 127 or even 115 Hp being competitive with Toyota's 130 hp Corolla.

chidoro · August 2005

Vehicle weight also plays a role in this. The civic is still a pretty lightweight vehicle at the 2,650 range.
Should be a fun car. A 12% increase in max torque achieved at only 4300 rpms on a light car should really have some pull when you hit it.

fdanna · August 2005

Amongst this bickering I just wanted to inject a couple of my own two cents...

1) I loooooooooove the european Civic and it's a shame that we'll never get it. I'm surprised that, with the success of certain hatchbacks in the US, Honda wouldn't give it a try. Neither the couple, nor the sedan, can have the versatility and space of the hatch. The trunks could be cavernous, but the opening will limit the utility, as always.

2) I care more about MPG numbers than HP numbers. I live in the city so faster acceleration just means I can beat out the guy next to me to the next stop light.. .woopee.

3) Honda is trying to revise the Civic from the current Ho-hum design to something with a bit more excitement. It was the exactly this current sleep enducing design that caused me to look elsewhere when I sold my 96 Civic in 2001. I loved the car, but wanted something that wouldn't blend into the background.

4) Normally, I would bet that the interior on the euro model would never EVER make it to the US model, but because of the economies of scale, it doesn't make much sense for honda to keep that dash for only one market. If not 100% the same, it has to be very very similar.

Lastly, it's a Honda, it will have a cult following and it won't flop, that's just a given. It may not be a run-away success, but Honda has yet to botch a new model introduction.

corey415 · August 2005

With regrads to flops, I think the current civic Si (EP3) is a flop. It does not have enough feature content and/or power for the price Honda sets the MSRP at.

I think the Acura Vigor was a flop as well.

jchan2 · August 2005

"Do more with less"

Guess that explains why my 2002 Odyssey has better HP numbers, better MPG numbers, and better fuel economy all while carrying more weight that a 2002 Sienna.

lex_kolt · August 2005

Civic is a proven car. It has a history of 20 years.

Mazda3 is a new car that's why it's not number 1.

Hell 4 months ago I didn't even consider, know Mazda, then I heard people talking about Mazda3. Now this small car is number one on my list of cars I'm considering for purchase. Give it some time, unless Honda does something Mazda3 will start outselling Civics, actually I'm sure it already does.

BTW Civic 2006 looks very bland to me. I hope in person it will look more appealing.
As for SI version if they do that stupid thing with dash mounted stick again I won't be looking at that car.

And so you don't think I'm a Honda hater, I own a 2001 Civic and it's a nice, fun car, has been very reliable. But it was more fun test-driving Mazda3.

corey415 · August 2005

Give it some time, unless Honda does something Mazda3 will start outselling Civics, actually I'm sure it already does.

You're kidding right? Civic sales have decreased, but it will be a long long time before the mazda 3 sells as much as the civic.

Month-To-Date Year-To-Date

July July % July July %
2005 2004 Change 2005 2004 Change

Mazda3 ___ 7,814 6,706 16.5% 59,588 48,678 22.4%
Civic _____ 28,008 28,976 .4% 168,911 191,459 -10.0%

user1235 · August 2005

that's why I'm dissapointed with the new civic, or at least what is known so far. Maybe the actual car, when it's unveiled will have a few surprises which will make it better then what the current info seems to suggest.

In general I think the styling of Honda cars is better then Toyota cars, especially the front end of accord vs camry, or civic vs corolla. The 2006 civic sedan looks similar to the current civic sedan, which is alright, but the new coupe is a huge improvement.

btw, the reason the scion tC gets worse fuel economy than camry with the same engine, is the gear rations are more tuned for maximizing power. That's why it can do 0-60 in 7.4 seconds. The new civic EX coupe will weigh at least 2800 lbs, scion tc is 2900 lbs.

Does anyone thinks the Civic Si will be priced below 20K ?

damb · August 2005

HERE IS 2 NEW PICS I THINK ON PAGE 4.

http://gallery.8thcivic.com/gallery/2006-Honda-Civic-Spy-Shots

maxamillion1 · August 2005

LOL...what I said (or at least thought I said) was that she bought a USED 1983 Civic in 1985 (20 years go).

maxamillion1 · August 2005

I get the feeling it will probably be about $21.5K.

or if Honda wants to get anal about it, price at $20,995.
LOL.

For me, the EX coupe will probably appeal more to me. As I don't care much for the spoiler or the rims so far of the Si. I like the new Ex rims (especially, on the coupe.)

maxamillion1 · August 2005

True the Civic is a proven car in the United States, and it is one of the most respected small cars in this class. However, it has a history of over 32 years now I believe. The first Civic sold in the United States was in 1973. That's a LONG time. The Accord hit the streets in 1976?

As far as the Mazda3, its a really good car. I really do like it a lot. However, it will take more than probably until the next Generation before the Mazda3 sells in numbers similar to the Civic, if ever in the United States.

Also, I can't believe that you didn't know Mazda existed. Where have you been? (Joking) Back in the 80s and 90s, the Mazda 626 and the Protege were well respected cars. As a matter of fact, wasn't the last gen. Protege rated higher than the Civic was by Consumer Reports? Mazda's a great brand but it doesn't have the reputation of Honda and Toyota. Nissan isn't seen on Honda and Toyotas level either it seems. In the U.S. Mazda is seen as a "Niche" brand, and its known for being more sporty than Honda, Toyota and Nissan. The Mazdas are usually smaller (at least with the Mazda6 vs. say a Camry), but they are fun to drive and have character. As a matter of fact, as my good friend Alpha would put it, the Mazda3 is today's "poor man's BMW 3-Series". Essential the Mazda3 is taking the place of the previous generation VW Jetta (and doing a darn good job of it too.) However, because Mazda is a lesser known brand here (as you mentioned) sales aren't as good. But the cars are excellent IMO.

On the other hand, in Canada, the Mazda3 sells much better and is more popular. I think it all boils down to demographics because in Canada the Mazda3 is the second best selling car. Canadians tend to go for smaller cars and hatchbacks more so than us Americans do. It seems like its that way in every country except here. "Supersize Me" perhaps? :P

The Mazda3 has actually outsold the current Civic some months this year in Canada, but overall the Civic sells better, and is their number one selling car.

And of course, I know you aren't a Honda hater.

Its all good my friend.

You (like I) just wish Honda would come out with a car that would go head to head in looks, fun, handling and sportiness of the Mazda3. Hopefully the rumors of a Civic Si sedan really are true.

Also, to stay on topic, someone mentioned not being able to get the new European Civic.

Well, there is an article over at Autoweek.com that states the new Civic CRX will return to the United States, but its two years away. So your wish may end up coming true for you but it would be in the lighter-weight, probably more racer-oriented Civic CRX form.

Also, I'm wondering about how the interior will end up being here in the U.S. Hondas are known for being extremely conservative in the U.S. while giving the Europeans and Japanese countries more options and higher content levels. It would really surprise me if the current Civic comes over here and has the digital gauges, and some of the other avant grade features of the European Civic because Honda is much more conseravtive here than anywhere else.

But, we'll find out soon enough, because Ride and Drive events began for the new Civic in a little less than two weeks! I'm stopping by my local dealership to ask the general manager when he will be going for the event. Maybe he'll take some pics and I can post them. I took a high school internship with this dealership back in 7th grade and have remained close the them for some time.

But regardless in less than a month's time the Civic's embargo will end and we'll have all the latest information on all the new Hondas, Civics especially.

user1235 · August 2005

I would get the Si for its 200 hp and hopefully sub 7 seconds 0-60 time. But only if it's reasonably priced, which I guess is not much more than $20K. I am concerned about the "prices will come down to invoice after a while" assertion, because I'm pretty sure prices will be close to MSRP to begin with, and I don't have another 6 months to wait until prices come down.

callmedrfill · August 2005

definitely remind me of the Toyota Corolla (which I like a lot).

Why is the cladding so low? I've never seen a door ding down thur!

DrFill

maxamillion1 · August 2005

Well, you could be right about the prices not coming down to invoice within the first six months, especially for the SI.

Question, when are you planning to by anyway? The Si doesn't hit showrooms until after the Selma Autoshow I don't think. You are aware that it won't be out in Sept when the regular Civics get here, right?

So you might be better off getting something else if you are in a hurry. Because it won't be here until Dec.

I have been on Edmunds.com since July of 1999 (Under the name Ella4), and I have personally watched consumer reaction and prices for the latest and greatest of the Top 3 Japanese class.

I can almost guarantee you that you'll be able to get a Civic for about $300-$500 over invoice within the first two months. Same things happened with the current Civic, current Accord and other cars.

Civics are good cars, but they don't command the same type of pricing that they did back in the 80s and early 90s because people know they have more choices today. And has BAD as Honda wants this new Civic, I think they'll play their cards right and offer good deals on it.

The previous 1999 Honda Odyssey went for MSRP all the way up to MY2003. However, with competition from Toyota with the Sienna, you can get a new Odyssey for about $500 over invoice or less.

If you look hard enough and maybe go to a large Honda dealership in a major city, you'll be able to get a GREAT deal, especially on regular Civics.

The Si though, might take a while. Since it won't be here until Nov/Dec of this year.

But regardless, good luck.

pedroso · August 2005

hi guys, this one's a bit off topic but what do u think of the current Civic Coupe's body styling? IMO it looks amazing. The redesigning of the front with the new feline-like headlights gives the current civic coupe a nice nice look. The new tailights with the clear circle is defintely cool too. From the side, it reminds me of a MB CL500 or something. Add some EX 15" rims and the 04-05 coupe looks outtta this world. I got mine about a week ago cause i wasnt happy with the looks of the 06 coupe....whaddya guys think??

corey415 · August 2005

I think you should post in the appropriate thread.

claudius753 · August 2005

At first I wasn't impressed with the '06 Civic's looks either, but as I see more spy shots with different angles, I am warming up to the styling of both the coupe and the sedan, plus the great new tech they both will offer. I'll reserve final judgement when I get to see the car in person.

I agree though that the 7th gen's MMC resulted in a pretty nice looking car, I didn't like the look of the first few years of the 7th gen as much.

user1235 · August 2005

current civic coupe looks great for sure. But I think the 06 looks better, especially the back and profile which is more slick. The current coupe is very similar to the current sedan but with only 2 doors. The new coupe is completely different. Basically the new coupe looks (=copied) like a scion tC.

jchan2 · August 2005

looks nice to me. I'm kinda sad that it doesn't have the Double Wishbones that my Civic has, and it costs more nowadays too.

Plus they took away the Remote Keyless Entry and the Power Locks on the Value Package. What's with that?

I will always like Hondas. My 1997 Accord was still very smooth and strong even approaching 100,000 miles, and my Civic, which I plan to drive indefinitely, has 97,000 miles on the odometer and still feels brand new.

Will the 8th generation Civic get a Value Package model straight from launch? Honda, in the 6th and 7th generation, has waited until the MMC to unleash the Value Package.

Since Honda wants to position the Value Package as the base model, why not just dump the non-airconditioned DX and rename the Value Package as the DX?

pedroso · August 2005

thx for ur opinions guys : )

maxamillion1 · August 2005

I always thought it looked really nice. Had a long and low look to it compared to the sedan IMO.

But I like the 6th gen, so far, better.

I really like how the Spy shot SIlver EX model looks (minus the body-kit).

fenderman1 · August 2005

hi, I cant seem to find any pics of the rear end of the 2006 civic sedan. Anyone know where i can see it? Also any idea if vehicle stablility control will be an option like on the carolla? In additon is the 200hp only available on the coupe?

Thanks

user1235 · August 2005

ROFLMAO

ctalk · August 2005

http://gallery.8thcivic.com/gallery/2006-Honda-Civic-Spy-Shots

I am not sure about ESC being optional on Corolla, but i am pretty sure 200hp is only availble on the coupe.

claudius753 · August 2005

From what we know so far, the 200 hp engine will only be available on the Si coupe, although there is speculation of an Si sedan coming at some point. I'm sure the 200 hp engine will be reserved for the Si models only, so If you want a 200 hp sedan the only way you could get it would be if Honda releases an Si sedan.

chidoro · August 2005

I am glad you find it funny. What I'm just glad about is that you are, apparently, trying to post w/in the guidelines of the thread.

natenj1971 · August 2005

I've been looking closely at the photo links posted here, specifically http://gallery.8thcivic.com/gallery/2006-Honda-Civic-Spy-Shots/1299_G and I can't figure out the wiper configuration. Maybe it's because these photos are of pre production models but what are the chances the civic will have only one large wiper like the original VW Scirocco OR have a wiper set up like the Dodge Caravan? Has anyone mentioned this? The new windshield looks HUGE!

stickguy · August 2005

T of V tends to be pretty accurate, but Honda does have a history of keeping the details pretty secrect until they want them releasesed. So, at this point, what we think we know may or not be accurate.

In general, I am more concerned with results rather than #s on paper. Otherwise, we should all be driving a Pontiac or something because it has more HP or torque!

Until the tests are run, no one really knows how the Civic will compare. 140 vs. 160 HP isn't that significant (IMO), since the real world results will depend on gearing, weight, etc. And Honda's traditionally have done well with a seeming power deficiency.

Don't discount the MPG factor either, especially these days. If the Civic delivers comparable (maybe slightly slower, but close enough and plenty fast for most people) performance, a possible 20% increase in overall MPG will be hard to ignore. Remember, some of the high HP cars don't get very impressive mileage (the 3s at 25/32 and tC at 22/29, both with a stick shift). An Accord does better than that!

For the sedan, most people aren't likely to be driving it like a hot rod, but the overall driving feel/handling/etc. will be of primary importance. The Si sounds like it should have plenty of juice for the sporty set.

To me, I would be happy if they kept the nice MPG, give it respectable performance, keep the slick clutch/shifter, and make it a bit roomier but also upgrade the handling and comfort factor a bit. From what I've read so far, it sounds like exactly what Honda is intending to do.

Actually, I want the 5 door version that we won't get, but c'est la vie!

Styling is subjective, so I will wiat until I can see an undisguised version in the flesh, although I do think that the Euro dash does look a bit overdone (from the pictures).

As always, this is all MHO, no facts implied or intended.

arizonajoe · August 2005

Hi all - Will the 2006 Civic have an integrated key? Does the current Civic have that feature? (I know the CR-V does.) By integrated, I mean that the fob and the key are one.

blueiedgod · August 2005

The Accord and 2005 CR-V have those. There are instructions on the web on how to make one out of your Valet key and an Accord key/key fob

rasman · August 2005

sadly in this country , the most popular cars ,will be the most stolen. can the new civic regain its "prominence" as the most stolen car? probably so.lol

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