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Welcome Toyota Tundra - VI
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Welcome Toyota Tundra - V. Please continue these
discussions here. Thanks!
Front Porch Philosopher
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Welcome Toyota Tundra - V. Please continue these
discussions here. Thanks!
Front Porch Philosopher
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You are certainly right about some dealers leaving a bad taste in some people mouths. My own brother was nailed by a Toyota dealership 5 years ago and will not set foot into another Toyota store (he lives 3000 miles away from me). I hate this but the only thing I can do is make things as good as I can and hope other stores wake up.
Unless it's a corporate attitude for Toyota, I can't understand why they allow dealers with such bad attitudes (other than the dealers selling a lot of Toyotas). I had recently test driven a Q45 prior to buying the vehicles I have now. The car was as expected. The attitude of the Infiniti dealer was simply awesome. No pressure; no hard close; I actually left the dealer in a relaxed state and would have purchased a vehicle if it wasn't for the wife wanting the Denali. And of course when people ask my opinion I tell them you can't beat the Infiniti service and would buy from them in a heartbeat. My $.02. Sorry for being slightly off topic..
http://www.a1.nl/phomepag/markerink/main_4x4.htm
What's your point?
Do you know if they'll be beefing up the rear end on 2001 model similar to the Lexus Land Rover?
When is the target date?
Looking at a 4x4 SR5 or Limited.
Are we looking at mid to high $30,000's or low $40,000's?
If it's not to expensive and comes out before September 10th or so I'm sold. Otherwise it's a Toyota Tundra 4x4 Ltd.
I test drove one Sunday and the acceleration was so incredible that I thought I was going to need a whiplash brace the next day!
If you know anything more than I do let me know.
Thanks
I have no idea about the rear end other than the fact that it will not have leaf springs like the Tundra but will have a multi link set up similar to the Cruiser and Runner.
I have one other suspicion and you may not be happy about this one. I would be willing to bet that these things will sell close to MSRP for the first 6 months to a year. Just be prepared for that especially if you need it the first week it comes out. When purchasing in such a situation, the quality of the dealership becomes more important than the price so shop carefully.
South Carolina is still being punished for no reason.
Different subject: Fad trucks: GMC Syclone, Ford Splash, Dodge Dakota Convertible
The 6.2/5 was not up to par to say the least so GM decided to make a new diesel engine and not have to rely on suppliers for their diesel like Ford and Dodge do.
However Dodge may be using Mercedes' diesels in future Rams.
pumpkin, and transfer case with that tacoma. They
also be sharin that trannie with them t100 ones"
Well I'm not and engineer but I'd make an educated guess that the "pumpkin", transfer case and transmissions have been evaluated by engineers. I know that these items have a range of torque they are designed to handle. I assume they have been deemed capable of handling the output of the 4.7 engine. If they weren't then Toyota would be facing large warranty claims for their repair which does't seem to be the case. I know Dodge matches "pumpkin" size and transmission size to the engine installed in the vehicle.
From what I've seen the T100 was not a bad vehicle, It just didn't have a V8 available and being made in Japan was too expensive because of the 25% import duty that was included in the price of the truck. I imagine the Tundra with the V6 is equivalent in many ways to the T100.
Since you obviously prefer Chevrolets why are you concerned with Tundras shortcomings compared to Chevrolet? I drive a 1998 long box crewcab 4x4 GMC pickup at work and own a Dakota Quad cab. Is the Dakota better than the GMC. Yes and no. The GMC can certainly haul more and has 4 wheel drive. My Dakota gets much better gas mileage and can fit in my garage. It meets my needs. Chevrolet meets your needs. Tundra meets their needs.
100 is not 40% larger than 60. To make this comparison you do in fact take the difference between the two and divide that by the smaller. In other words, 100 is 66-2/3% larger than 60.
Think about it this way. If you 50 cents and I have a dollar, I have twice as much as you do.
In other words I have the same amount you do (50 cents) plus that same amount again (another 50 cents), which is to say, of course, that I have 100% more than you.
And that's exactly what you get if you take the difference between 100 and 50 (50) and divide that by the smaller number (50).
According to your math, I only have 50% more. But in fact 50% more than 50 cents is 75 cents. In other words, if I actually had what you had (50) plus half that amount again, or 50% more, I'd have 75 cents.
Also notice that when you do it backwards, the numbers change. To take the last example in my last post. 50 is 33% smaller than 75, even though 75 is 50% larger than 50.
In other words, if you have 75 and want to get down to 50 you take away one-third of what you have. But if you have 50 and you want 75, you need half again what you already have.
Here's a good use for a '52 Chevy:
http://www.truck.bigstep.com/
Can anyone name 5 Toyota (cars or trucks) that are considered classics? When you see one you know right away what it is? Like a 55 Chevy or a 69 Mustang, or 63 Corvette, or 69 GTO. Give me a list of Classic Toyotas if you can.
You have nothing good to say about a truck you have never driven. You have nothing positive to add to this discussion and it seems you have nothing else to do all day but to wish us good luck. You really crack me up. When you are finished with this ruse, promise me you'll e-mail me with the truth of your identity. Great job.
Quality: I'm sure that my comments will spark some response, but quality surveys don't really mean much if they are owner surveys. People buy based on what they perceive is important. People buy Toyota because they value quality and they believe Toyota = quality. When it comes time to respond to an owner survey, they will respond based on their original values unless the real experience is far, far different from what they expected. People buying other brands put less emphasis on quality and their response to a survey will also have less emphasis on quality. A true ranking of quality can only come from an unbiased team of inspectors evaluating 10's or 100's of vehicles of each brand.
Anyone got that kind of data? In my own experience of 20 years and 8 new vehicles (4 Japanese and 4 American) quality has been 100%, not a single warranty event. Reliability after the warranty expired has also been good. 1 transmission failure (American), 1 radiator failure (Japanese) and 1 loss of power that the dealer couldn't solve in 3 tries (Japanese, clogged fuel filter). If your experience is worse, then you probably put more emphasis on perceived quality and reliability based on owner surveys.
Maybe this will cause a change in the conversation.
Trend. They did a comparison of "full size"
pickups. They rated the biggest, baddest Chevy
Silverado 1500 with the 5.3 L V8 and the 4.1 gears (which by the way is only rated to tow 8000lbs).
They also rated the biggest F150 with the 5.4L V8
and the Dodge 1500 with 5.9L against the Tundra
Access Cab V8.
You would think that this would be a mismatch.
The Silverado does have that barcolounger rear
seat. The Big3 engines are much bigger.
Here is the conclusion of the Motor Trend article:
"And the winner is... Which to Pick? In terms of
overall performance and sophistication - on road
and off - we have to say Tundra."
I think the point is you pay more for toyota and get less truck.
Look at any figures......mileage, towing, standard features, whatever.
Who wants to pay more for anything, whether its a car, truck, house or whatever and get less?
Not me.
Has anyone seen any news if Toyota is going to change the rear seat to give it more angle for the back?
Question 2:
Does anyone on the forum now drive the V6 Tundra? Looking into this option as an alternative to the Tacoma PreRunner. Comments?
Thanks
As to rusting, yes, they rust. It was not until the late '80's that Toyota decided it was time to respond to US road clearing techniques and galvanize the sheet metal. Problem solved.
chevys are among the worst in body rust.
Good thing them Tundras are being built in the US now! Feeding my neighbor now.
Good luck on this one know!
The driveshaft on my 99 is steel, not stainless or aluminum. Some Corvettes and F-bodys (Camaros/Firebirds) do have aluminum.
Also, don't know what the context of white smoke you are referring to, but white smoke happens when ethylene glycol coolant gets burned in the combustion chamber, from a cracked head or failed head gasket.