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I don't like to spend a lot of time thinkg about somthing that could happen.
Besides, if I get rear ended, it'll the other guy's fault and hopefully they will be insured.
I keep full coverage insurance on our beater1993 Explorer that rarely get's driven. I was going to take off the collision and comp but since it's so old and of so little value, I think state Farm charges us something like 100.00 a year for those coverages. They know it would take very little to total it.
1500.00 a year sounds NUTS for a 1996! Are you sure?
Just to be clear, Honda claims that the 2011 Ody's 2nd row can fit 3 child seats side-by-side-by-side. Not necessarily full sized (have to wait for more pictures), but you cannot do that with the current Ody 8th seat (and the 2011 Sienna 8th).
Sadly that has become industry standard. It saves weight and cost, so everyone does it now, with only a few exceptions.
Here's one advantage of the Pilot: while it comes with a donut, the space it goes in fits a full-size spare perfectly. That's what's on the back of mine now
For me the interior photos are far more important than the exterior ones (particularly on a minivan).
If it fits, you can always buy a cheap steelie and spare full-size tires from Tire Rack.
I did that for a 2002 Legacy, and replaced the donut.
Murphy's Law: never once got a flat in 7 years, even though it was my wife's car and she got TWO flat tires with her previous car. :sick:
23 Civic Type-R / 22 MDX Type-S / 21 Tesla Y LR / 03 Montero Ltd
The last Ody's VCM disappointed me a little. Mileage was no better than the Sienna yet it gave up huge HP.
+2mpg might have swayed me, even with a slight power deficit.
:sick: :shades:
Sorry, I couldn't help it.
Unfortunately the 2011 Sienna made her nauseous whereas the Ody didn't, and she preferred the ride and fit/finish in the Ody.
So now our big question is: Do we go for a 2010 Ody or wait 6 months for the new one? Really not sure....
1) when new Sienna came out, pricing went up approx $2k
2) right now there are good deals on Odyssey if you negotiate...I just got mine for approx $2400 below invoice (not sticker). In general, we should expect that for the shiny "new" Odyssey this fall, dealers will be trying to get sticker, or at least something above invoice.
Therefore IMO there could easily be $3-5K extra cost in buying the new version vs the 2010. For me, I didn't see the design or feature "breakthroughs" that would warrant that difference.
They have such a floaty ride, like an old Buick.
Remember a few months ago, people were reporting huge price advantages for the Sienna?
Now it's the other way around. The older Honda design is the bargain.
Nausea on a test drive? Which model? Was she sitting up front?
Generally it helps to look outside and view the horizon, to get your bearings.
The Ody's don't, IIRC. Maybe they took that away since there is the gap between the seats.
Oh well, I guess I shouldn't accelerate into a decision.
Who knows? You may love the '11 Ody. Early mileage reports are promising.
You may not like it, though. Some 2011 Sienna shoppers are getting 2010s for one reason or another, mostly the death of the big 8th seat, some because pricing is higher.
The 2011 Honda may arrive with higher prices, too, and we haven't even seen the real interior. Plus who knows how they will package it.
The good news is that while my 2004 Mitsu Endeavor has 90,000+ miles on it, I have never had any serious problems at all and actually like driving it.
http://www.myfoxhouston.com/dpp/business/100218-toyota-lawsuit
re; Toyota Sienna Death Crash
Here's one, ODI ID Number 10303067:
TL*THE CONTACT OWNS A 2007 HONDA ODYSSEY. WHILE STOPPED AT A RED LIGHT SHE ATTEMPTED TO MOVE OUT OF THE WAY TO ALLOW A POLICE VEHICLE TO PASS, THE ENGINE BEGAN TO IDLE ROUGHLY AND THE VEHICLE PROCEEDED TO ACCELERATE. SHE THEN ATTEMPTED TO DEPRESS THE BRAKE PEDAL VERY HARD BEFORE STOPPING THE VEHICLE. ON A SEPARATE OCCASION, WHILE EXITING THE HIGHWAY, SHE BEGAN DEPRESSING THE BRAKE TO MERGE OUT OF TRAFFIC AT SPEEDS OF LESS THAN 15 MPH, THE VEHICLE BEGAN TO ACCELERATE AT FULL SPEED. THE CONTACT CONTINUED TO APPLY EXTREME PRESSURE TO THE BRAKES AND THE VEHICLE PROCEEDED OVER THE MEDIAN ONTO THE GRASS. SHE WAS ABLE TO STOP THE VEHICLE AND AVOID A COLLISION. THE DEALER REPROGRAMMED THE TRANSMISSION SENSOR AND ADVISED THE FAILURE SHOULD NOT OCCUR AGAIN. THERE WERE NO FURTHER INCIDENTS THEREAFTER. THE VIN WAS NOT AVAILABLE. THE FAILURE AND CURRENT MILEAGES WERE UNDER 30,000.
Sorry for the CAPS, that's copied from their site.
That's 2 seperate occasions on the same van. This was for a 2007 model year (my Sienna is also an 07).
From ODI ID Number : 10237557:
ON 12/26/07, I HAD A VERY BAD ACCIDENT HITTING 2 CARS AND ALL OF THE AIR BAGS IN OUR NEW 07 HONDA ODYSSEY DEPLOYED. MY WIFE WAS IN THE CAR, I WAS DRIVING AND WE WERE EXITING THE HIGHWAY WITH THE CRUISE CONTROL ON AND TURNED ONTO THE OFF RAMP WHEN THE BRAKES COMPLETELY FAILED; I STEPPED ON THE BRAKES REPEATEDLY AND THEY WERE SO SOFT THEY WENT COMPLETELY TO THE FLOOR BOARD AND THE CAR WOULD NOT STOP AND THE CRUISE CONTROL WOULD NOT TURN OFF. THE RAMP WAS ABOUT 100 YARDS LONG, SO WE WOULD HAVE HAD PLENTY OF TIME TO STOP IF THE BRAKES WORKED. THE RAMP WAS UPHILL AND BECAUSE THE CRUISE CONTROL DID NOT GO OFF, THE CAR STARTED TO ACCELERATE AND WE WERE GOING FASTER AND FASTER UP THE OFF RAMP. ...
I stopped searching, it was too depressing. I bet there are more.
So, does this mean Odyssey throttles are also all bad?
Or, more likely, are not-so-common complaints like this likely operator error?
Whatever you believe, keep in mind the 2011 Sienna now has the brake-throttle override, so it won't happen to new Sienna.
Does the Ody have that as well? If not we may continue to see more of these from Honda, but not from 2011+ Siennas.
By the way, I realize Honda sells more Odys, but overall NHTSA has 206 complaints for 2007 Odys and only 62 for 2007 Siennas. In the Ody the recurring theme seemed to be failing brakes, yikes.
Go here and click Search Complaints:
http://www-odi.nhtsa.dot.gov/recalls/recallsearch.cfm
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,589090,00.html
http://jalopnik.com/5491101/did-bankrupt-runaway-prius-driver-fake-unintended-ac- celeration
Shame on anyone who believed this story, including a few people here.
Read the 2nd article, especially the updates:
* his Prius does have brakes that override the throttle
* the guy is 3/4rs of a million dollars in debt
* he still owes $19,000 to Toyota
* Sikes has a history of items in his possession being stolen and him filing for insurance claims
* Sikes owned and operated a web site called AdultSwingLife.com.
* There's also a report from KTLX with a neighbor stating he may have been involved in the porn industry.
This is HILARIOUS!
If you believed this guy, shame on you! LOL
Umm, I think "may" may be too soft a word. Chances that they reduce the price of the van on an apples to apples basis? Doubtful.
Also don't forget that you can get 2500 BELOW INVOICE right now. Chances are pretty high that dealers will be trying to sell their awesome new 2011s at closer to sticker, but certainly OVER invoice. I'd say its pretty much assured you'll be paying MORE for a 2011 than a 2010 due to those 2 factors. Whether that premium is warranted depends on the features of the 2011 and is a personal decision for each buyer.
When Subaru launched the 2009 Forester, prices dropped $800-1200 or so.
Sales went way up. They basically built-in discounts and incentives that they had in prior years.
It boosted sales, and even boosted residuals, win-win.
The minivan segment is having a hard time so who knows what Honda will do.
They added 0% as of March 1, not sure if that includes the Sienna or not.
They definitely built-in some price padding for discounts later, though.
Honda stands to gain market share if they can keep a lid on pricing.
http://www.ahm-ownerlink.com/maintenance/OdyElement_recall.asp
It's good, though, it means those problems are being addressed. :shades:
In other words, if you wanted an XLE before, you may get along just find with an LE now. Actually the LE gets a backup cam that required Navi on the old XLE, so you could even end up with a better package.
3 zone climate control goes even on the base model now, before I think the XLE had dual? Anyone know?
Depends on what you want, I suppose.