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Only problem now is that the first year and a half I had the Boxster I decided it was a "chick car" and did not drive it. My wife did not object because she got to drive it all the time. Finally decided to start driving it and found out that I really enjoyed it so much so that her time behind the wheel was cut way back. She wishes I would go back to my original view of the car.
Maybe I can convince her that a new Boxster S is too much car for her. Yea, right!!
Again, Thanks!
T
My first suggestion is to go to your local dealer and ask them to lug their diagnostics computer into it and download the engine performance data. this will save you alot of time in trying to figure out what is wrong. Altitude should NOT be an issue as the car's computer is designed to measure and adjust mixture. If the cars computer is not working, then you have a serious issue. Plug into it and download the data.
Back in 1976 I bought my first " Porsche " It was a red, 914 2.0 liter with black seats and really cool rims. That car was the fastest car in 1st and 2nd gear I had ever driven ( after that it reverted to it's VW ways )Point was that I had always wanted a 911 but that 914 was a blast to drive and with its top off here is southern California I was in heaven , I loved that car. I ended up putting 36K miles on it in 3 years and sold it for what I paid for it. ( I am a car nut and keep my cars almost sterile clean )I bought a used 911s with the money but the " pizzaz " was gone. I actually cried when I sold the 914. I now own a 2006 C2S and have fallen back in love with a car. My point is ..if you really dig the car you have ..that is what is important. I drove my brothers Boxster and was impressed with how " tight " it felt. I also own a 2004 5 series BMW and think for the money it's junk...but my wife likes it so there....The Boxster continues to get accolades (sp?) from the " car " people and Porsche did everything right with it.
Enjoy your car.
PandD, back with the other cheek turned....
anyways, i'm not taking offense with your comments because i know they were made b/c of a misunderstanding.
as a 4 yr "member" here, i've yet to be called a troll but it was humorous. this porsche forum has only picked up recently and thus most of my other trolling posts have been made on 6speed & rennlist with several DIY instructions and hacks. i'm glad to see the increased activity here so newbies and oldies can share/learn more about their cars & toys
let's take the high road here.....and share our passions
Hard to find an emoticom that let's you plant tongue in cheek. Just into major league joking when I said my Prosche was "only" a Boxster. Seriously considering an '07, just cannot decided between a base and an "S". The improvments since my '00 base Boxster are amazing and no one really "needs" an S for daily messin' about.
My first Porsche was a '69 911T coupe that I bought used. A bit rough around the edges but it got me into the program. Traded that in on a new '73 914 2.0 that cost all of about $6,200. A fun little car. That got traded in on a '73 91T targa that had been the dealer's wife's car. Drove that for a few years and then got into all that middle class family raising stuff.
Recently drove a new '07 911 coupe and cabrio. Outstanding cars but for me just not worth the price premium over a nicely equipped '07 base Boxster for about $53,000 or an S for about $62,000. Just cannot justify the extra $$$$. Also hard to justify buying a car that costs more than my 1st and 2nd houses combined!!
The Boxster still brings grins to my face, just wish I could find a way to keep my wife in the right seat rather than the left.
Catch ya,
Chromedome
Actually I have been interested in shopping for a 993. A neighbour of mine has a red cab and it looks great. Visually it seems smaller than the 997 and I find the 993 to be the most visually pleasing of all the 911. Anyone, please chim in and give us your opinions and experiences on your 993.
Thanks
Chromedome
Anyway, yes, the 993 is extremely popular and I am interested in one also. The problem is that I am interested in many older ones starting with 930s and 3.2 Carreras. I actually started out shopping 993 cabs and wound up with an 02 Boxster S which I currently have and am thoroughly in love with also. I am thinking of selling the Boxster and getting a different old Porsche every year. Ideally I’d like to get a different house with at least a three-car garage so I can keep two old Porsches at once, but my wife is not excited about the idea, so for now it will be one at a time.
The historical aspect of Porsche is so cool and there is a lot of involvement out there. I thought I’d be into a 997 this year but the older ones keep beckoning. I tell you one thing, if I come across the right 993 Turbo, I just might have a hard time turning it down. However, it might be good to go with a 3.2 first so I don't get spoiled by the power.
You need to meet my brother. He owns a pristine 1996 993 Turbo 4. And, I have to admit, it is both extraordinarily beautiful and a great embelishment of what Porsche is all about. It is a deep maroon metallic that looks like it radiates in the right light. From the "Ultimate History of Porsche" by Stuart Gallagher:
"Some say that with the introduction of the water-cooled 911 in 1997 the 911's soul was destroyed. If that is true, then there was no better way for the air-cooled generation to sign off than with the ultimate air-cooled 911, the 993-generation Turbo 4."
For what it's worth, even though he drives it regularly, it is maintained in show quality condition and would sell for well over $100,000. He was casually offered $125,000 for it at the Pebble Beach show last year - and it wasn't even entered!
Good luck in your quest.
I say build the three car garage as I have, keep two old Porches' and save one bay for restoration of your next acqusition , as I do.
did you buy it because you are in a mid life crisis?
or did you buy it because you desire speed and performance to which there is no equivalence?
I have been a porsche owner.. of many many models, for over 30 years now. I buy them to drive them. I drive them to push the envelope. To travel at .33 the speed of sound is an amazing thing if you ever get the chance. I think anyone who loves speed should get that chance at least once.
thus ends my diatribe.
:-)
I now have an '07 C2S Cab, but I placed the very first deposit on a '97 Boxster... I placed it in 1994! Most of the folks at the dealership didn't even know what I was talking about. With the Boxster's first debut, there was no S variant, and while the car had incredible handling, and produced ear-to-ear smiles with its exhaust howl at upper RPM's, I can tell you that more power would have been most welcomed. The later S was a natural for the Boxster.
I continue to believe that once you've got the model Porsche picked out that you want, and the body style (Coupe, Cabriolet, etc.), at that point you should opt for the most power you can get.
In fact, some might even suggest that you first get as much power as you want, and THEN go with the body style choices that would be available.
I loved that original '97 Boxster, but it sorely lacked enough power for my tastes. I recently purchased a Lotus Elise Sport and I can tell you that few cars on the planet can out-handle it in the twisties. Lotus just introduced the '07 Exige S with even more power, and I know that it will be a superb handling car. However, after a while I couldn't stand the brutal punishing harsh ride that went along with the Lotus. Thus, traded in towards the Carrera S Cabriolet.
I strongly encourage you to consider getting the S, even if just for those special moments that you will be glad to have that extra power. There is no really good reason to deliberately limit the power that is available to you, unless there are financial constraints. Otherwise, get the "S", my friend and enjoy it.
TagMan
I'd also love to own a 997, but with low mileage 996's going for the mid-$30K's, I have to say a 996 with a set of PSS9's is tough to walk away from (I doubt a 997 could walk away from one).
$35,000 is a lot to spend on prettier headlights and a nicer dashboard.
I had an interesting experience today. Being Saturday, the opportunity for a drive in the Porsche put me out on the highway about 1pm. Sunny, clear and medium traffic. I have a bit of highway and freeway that I like to drive and a very clear lightly traveled road that I can pick up the speed a bit without worry of being followed ( or radar tagged ). Things just did not feel right! Shifting was uneven , down shifting was a bit difficult and I really was not in tune with my " Machine " I think today, I have come to realize that as with many other things, you have to be in tune... with your car to get the most of it.I have noticed that if I push the Porsche and shift when the revs are a little higher especially after 4500 rpm, this car acts like a sling shot. This car, I've come to realize, can be played like a violin.. if your good that day it sounds great , otherwise it's a fiddle. Anyway my 2 cents and a great learning experience for me.
Chromedome
I drove my first 914 until the day she ate a valve, piston, connecting rod and ultimately the crankshaft. It did have Magnesium alloy rims which I had managed to keep until just a few years ago when my wife decided she would throw them out when I wasnt looking... a decision that will forever haunt her :-)
T
thus ends my diatribe."
Diatribe away if you must, but you might want to lighten up on the caffeine, Jack Daniels, or both. As a fellow 997 Turbo owner, I don't want to burst your bubble. But as somwone who has also piloted an F15 at Mach 1.8 and 7.0 g's, I know that Mach 0.33 is 255 +/- mph. There isn't a Porsche made that can achieve that speed and the highest you would likely get your 911 up to on a track is about 100 mph less - assuming you are a lot better at driving than you are at math.
So the tradition of speedy cars in Germany is no accident.
Not sure what the fastest production in the world that you can actually walk into a showroom and buy is, but I'd guess about 225 mph is it, if anyone short of a real professional has the skill to go that fast.
155 is good enough for me.
Hey, spirit.... good post, my friend. I got a good chuckle out of it. Yes, facts are facts.
TagMan
I don't think even that would do it. A buddy of mine from my college days who was a seasoned skydiver indicated the highest (vertical) speed a human could attain by going into a perfect diving position was about 170 mph (same as a falcon). That's compared to a terminal velocity of around 130 mph for me flopping around like a chicken. And that 170 mph speed was fast enough to catch up to a falling vehicle pushed out of the back of a cargo plane, if you recall from some of those crazy TV ad's and/or "Mythbuster" episodes.
As for the Autobahn speeds, they happened to have a special on the History Channel recently and it's true, the land speed record, for awhile anyway, was set on the Autobahn at something like 250 mph (by one of those rocket shaped Mercedes, I believe). It utilized about 8 miles of the road to achieve that feat. But further attempts were halted after a crash that killed the record holder and nearly took out one of the overpasses.
My friend that had a 2001 996 TT modified to 520 hp / 520 ft-lbs at the wheels ran a 10.xx quarter mile and 3.2 +/- second 0-60. Yet the highest speed he ever took his car to on a track (Summit Point, WV) was around 145 and he is an extremely accomplished driver. Although his car was theoretically capable of around 195-200 mph at the Bonneville Salt Flats, the distance needed to get up to top speed would have been at least 2-3 miles.
So, in the spirit of the TV series, I'd have to agree that any claim of Mach 0.33 is, indeed "Busted". Perhaps it was just a joke to see if any of us were paying attention.
Well, spiritinthesky gets the kudos for paying good attention. I wonder how many of the rest of us would have really caught this. As sharp as I like to think I might be, I'll admit I never would have caught it. I'll be more careful from now on... especially on my way to work in the mornings as I travel at warp 2.
TagMan
This board, like any other, is much akin to a book.. if you dont like it, simply shut the cover and dispose of it.
Consider yourselves disposed of.
"The speed varies depending on atmospheric conditions; the most important factor is the temperature. Humidity has little effect on the speed of sound, nor does air pressure per se".
So yes, if you're up there driving your 997 Turbo next to me in an F15 at 40,000 feet, with the air temperature a nice perky 50 degress below zero (Farenheight), you'd be hitting Mach 0.33 at only about 230 mph, not 255. Unfortunately, going to a high desert test track or air strip where it might be a bit balmier and easier to test that turbo's top speed, you are going to need to go even faster than 255 to hit your Mach 0.33.
Try to lighten up. You were clearly going off the deep end and I tried to humorously throw you a rope. If you want to throw it back, that's up to you, but it's not our loss.
Chromedome
A porsche is a porsche is a porsche.
The color commbination (Atlas Grey with standard beige leather interior) looks good to my eyes and I wonder why it hasn't sold. (They had a 997 coupe in green with a beige interior that I also thought looked good. They couldn't sell that one for years! I guess that the Porsche market is green adverse.)
The authorized dealer that has it has a backlog of '06s to sell and his opening discounted price in casual conversation was 79K.
If a Warren Buffet or a Sam Zell were to analyze this, they would ask what a CPOed '06 with this equipment and in these colors would sell for? They would then try to grab this new-old stock car for that price. What do you think? Is there any factory money "in the trunk" to the dealers on these '06's?
At this point in time, I would think a "good price" on this car by the dealer would be invoice, or even slightly less. That assumes it is indeed a "new" car and would have its in-service date and warranty start as of the day it is sold, not 12+/- months ago whenever they got or registered the car. Figuring a roughly 13% mark-up, invoice would be around $11.5k off MSRP. They are starting at $10k off, so they are at least being realistic.
Forget what Warran Buffett or Sam Zell would do, do YOU really like this car? You can't be too serious, not even knowing for sure whether it is a base model or a $10k more expensive and much better equiped "S" model (zenon, 19" wheels, PASM, sport steering wheel, etc. all come along with the bigger 3.8 liter 355 hp engine). As best I can tell, the "cosmetic" options of wood shifter and interior are adding roughly $3,000+ to the MSRP. If these are options that you wouldn't order, they are adding to your cost, not your enjoyment and certainly not to resale. The comparison I would make would be against an ordered 2007. If, for example, you could get one at $6k off without those extra options, then getting $11k off with them is really only saving you a net $2k, not the $5k discount. That's a dilemma with almost any "in stock" car - it will inevitably have a few options that you don't want and/or missing one or two that you do (i.e. sport chrono on an "S"). In the case of my 2005 Cab S purchased in September 2005, the differential between my $10.8k discount and my best offer of $5k off a new, ordered 2006 more than made up for taking a few ($1,000) cosmetic items I could have done without. And I also saved $2,800 price increase from 2005 to 2006. I'm pretty sure in your case, the 2006 to 2007 price increase is quite a bit less, and we are now in February 2007, not September.
Let us know if you turn serious on this one. I think you would be in pretty good negotiating position. You could always make out a check for $76k and see if they rip it up.
P.S. I may be wrong, but I don't think Porsche does much to put money in the trunk of the car to help dealers sell leftover ones. Shame on the dealer for ordering an odd color combination with wood trim. It might be beauty to your eyes, but its a real hit or miss with the average 911 buyer. These are sports cars, not Bentleys.
Also, I prefer that the car NOT be covered, but rather just waxed well with perhaps a little WD-40 on the shiny trim pieces (very lightly coated)....or if you do use a cover, it must be a high-tech type that will BREATHE. A small fan under or near the car is a great idea.
I'd also get the car out and on a ten mile drive if you have a really nice day.
Your big enemy is condensation which can screw up electrical components under the hood as well as your interior.
If the garage is heated, well that's just swell then.
Otherwise, you've got the major bases covered I think. My only other concern is if you have rodent issues where you live. Duct-taping the tailpipe and air filter intake might not be a bad idea, and careful inspection every now and then to see if there are any little critters getting in there somehow.
I'm intrigued though. Do you feel that the Atlas Grey/beige leather combination is an unpopular color in the market place? (I agree with the sentiment of the board though that one should spec the car out for your pleasure and to heck with resale).
Maybe one reason the '06 car sits unsold at the mid point in the '07 model year is not just the color but that the price is wrong? Even at "dealer invoice" it may be too high. Here's why: shouldn't a new '06 be worth no more than a used CPO '06 with a deduction for the low mileage on the new one? A Buffett or Zell would say that the dealer shouldn't expect to get bailed out of a bad decision by having someone reimburse him his "cost". Geez, I've got some Tico stock I'd like to sell at my cost.
Porsche works on a "Turn an Earn" basis for it's allocation
process...Sadly, this process can be abused and on occasion a car will be "punched", reported as sold, and that is not the case. However; the meter starts to run on the Warranty.
This is something to be very wary of when seeing a deeply discounted Carrera.
1) Has anybody attended and can give me and the board a review of the experience? Obviously, very pricy (1,800 for one day or 3,000 for two) but i think well worth it if i am truly taught how to drive my car properly
2) Also, can anyone opine on the one day vs two day course? Is it worth it to have the 2nd day? And of course, the brilliant marketers offer an advance course for graduates of the two day program (not the 1 day).
3) The website says they have boxsters, caymans, 911s and cayennes. As a (future) 911 owner, will i be able to drive the 911 most of the time? I think it would be a waste if i drew the short straw and was "stuck" with a boxster the entire time.
Any opinions appreciated.
Kenny
My only comment would be is if one were a bad driver in a Boxster, one would end up being a REALLY bad driver in a 911. It would be fine to start off in the Boxster to gain your confidence and then work up to the 911, which is more demanding IMO.
However, an AWD 911 (not the TT) is practically viceless. Easy to drive fast, and very forgiving.
That's why I like pro driver training so much---good for the newbie driver, good for the rest of us on the road.
And you get to drive all the cars. You use different cars for different parts of the school(skid pad, track, etc...) I don't remember which car goes with what except the C2 is used for the track.
Don't know what to say about 1 day vs 2 day but if your budget/time allows for it, why not???
Have fun and let us know