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Incidentally , years ago, if a rebuilt engine's rings hadn't seated, the school solution was to throw some Bon Ami into the carburetor. Those rings would then seat ASAP. (We won't discuss what happened to the bearings.) Lots of people resisted using Chrome rings when they first came out because cast iron rings will quickly seat (and are much cheaper). Now much better honing techniques (i.e, "plateau honing") have eliminated a lot of this.
I will try to get a link to the AERA Tech Bulletin I alluded to.
There was never any intention to seek a similarity between the present day 997 and VW mechanically. My VW was used to make a point about oil. The interesting association between the two car manufacturers is the following, and should be common knowledge. History! Reviewing our history here folks......, for those who are uninformed, the very first Porsches had volkswagen engines and every other shared part they could use ( no I'm not going down the road of shared parts again. ha..ha..ha. ).Porsche was Hitlers best buddy and Hitler commissioned Porsche to make the " peoples car"...what do you think "volkswagen" translates to in english???? My 1976 914 2.0 liter had a volkswagen engine in it. Karmen made early Porsche bodies, Karem was considered a volkswagen company...body builder that has... yep volkswagen engines and parts. Presently , Porsche , with all its big bucks profits is heavily invested in, you guessed it...the Volkswagen company. A&E , the History channel has a CD available on thier website that you can purchase..." The History of Porsche " Although not the most up to date piece of work, it clearly describes the beginnings of Volkswagen....Mr. Porsche owned the company. After WWII Porsche became involved in racing and the Porsche was developed. Man, even Porsche's sister owned the Recarro seat company in France! To think that Chevy and GMC have no common background is to be uninformed, the same is true about VW and Porsche. And even though I own a 997, my Porsche IS a glorified volkswagen..a very very extremely glorified one at that! A volkswagen on steroids.
Cheers...It's finally raining in San Diego..no sprints today. It was 83 degrees on Saturday. Got a chance to deposit some rubber on the asphalt.
Chromedome
As for the 914 (I car I really like by the way), they didn't put the Porsche name on it in Europe--they wouldn't have dared. The 914 did have a Porsche transmission and some front end parts however--the joke was "The 914---VW performance at Porsche repair prices!"
The present 911 is still a remarkable evolution of the 1965 design. Probably the most radical departure was the 996---but modern standards of comfort, noise level, and accessories rather demanded it.
Still an exciting car after all these years, and still a 200,000 mile ++ engine, rather than a 60,000 mile VW engine (if you were lucky)
If we follow the thread back... nothing was ever mentioned or implied about any similarity between the present day 997 and a 1965 VW. But my comments on the history of Porsche and its deep roots in the VW company stand. Mr Porsche made the first VW!!! Early Porsche was born from VW The point I made about my 1965 VW was in regards to the general topic of Mobil 1 oil, ring seating and how the finding of metal shavings on my magnetic oil plug in my 65 bug ,converted me to a " oil changing fanatic ". I purchased a 997 because I didn't want a Golf... but I must say the VW Phantom is cool, but way over-priced. Let's see where that analysis takes us.
Chromedome
Anyway, the guy lives in Little Rock.. He says it is serviced by the only Porsche repair shop in Arkansas (independent). The scratches/dings are in the rear driver's side quarter panel, along the wheel arch.. really, really small..
He wants to sell it to buy an '03 Z4 3.0.. Guess he wants a convertible..
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what does C2 mean. it's a 6 speed with Nav
I thought the "C" meant "Coupe", since I often see coupes referred to as "C2" or "C4S", etc. For Cabriolet's, I usually see them referred to as just "Cab", "Cab 4", "Cab S" , etc. so calling a convertible a C2 may technically be a misuse of the "C".
Now, someone tell me that the "C" stands for Carrera and I'll shut up.
Growing up my favorite Posche was a 944 Turbo. I always like the 928s (plural) also.
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BTW, 944s have a big cult following particularly the 951 (Turbo).
I hear you. I never liked the front of the 993 but the wide-body rear is special. I also like the spartan 993 interior. There are two camps. Some really see the 996 styling as a good modern evolution. Others can't stand it. I think the design of the 996 interior is splendid if you can forgive the cheap-looking materials. 996 created quite a schism what with the water-cooled engine sans dry sump, fried-egg headlamps and radical interior. They took that radical departure even a step further with 997; not with looks, rather with handling and steering.
I found a silver one with Black and black (top and int) is $54,000 a fair price. It looks pristine. How much is an extended warranty on one of these boys.
What would you guess the right price is? I am thinking more like 67-68K max for a 15K miles with Xenon, Bose.
What's the trade in value for this car? around 60-62k?
Any comment / advice would be appreciated
thanks
PS: I live in FL so market might be a little higher
Edmunds (sorry Host) is ridiculously horrible relative to it's list of options. KBB is better, but not by much. As I'm sure you are aware, with 3 pages of options, the difference between a low optioned, average optioned, high optioned and absurdly optioned 911 can easily be $25,000+ More on a base (non S) model that doesn't include xenons, PASM, etc. as standard. The first $10,000-$15,000 include some useful (valuable) options, after that, it starts getting into diminishing return cosmetic options.
Also, the difference in model year, if there weren't changes, is important, but you need to consider in-service date (warranty left) and mileage (tires and service requirements).
I happen to have a 2005 Cab S that had an MSRP of $102,880. That includes $13,000 +/- of options, including Bose/6CD, Nav, Power/Full Leather/Heated seats, sport chrono, sport exhaust and a few other options. Purchased new in September 2005 (as 2006's were just arriving) for a $10k discount. Current MSRP on a comparable 2007 would be about $106,000.
According to my dealer, a fair private party price on my car (17 months old, today perfect condition, 12,500 miles) would be about 25% under current comparable MSRP ($77-78k +/-). At his dealership, they would be pricing it as a certified car at $83k +/- with some room for negotiation. It is Seal Grey and Black, an easy combo relative to re-sale.
Figure out what the MSRP was of the car you are considering and work back from there.
Habitat1, I think that your number of 25% of MSRP is exactly what I was thinking about. Therefore a 2005 C2 Cab with limited options and MSRP around 88-90K should worth 66-68K... exactly what I want to pay for that.
Proposing that amount to a dealer for a non-certified car should trigger the deal!!
thanks again.. I will let you know as soon as I have my car
I'm in the middle of this decision right now, let me know your thoughts.
Thanks,
-Scott
I'll agree with habitat1... but let me emphasize that the S's extra ponies are significant enough, IMO... and Porsche HP is almost always worth the premium, also IMO.
But regardless, I'm glad you recognize that PASM is worth it... even if only for those "special" drives once in a while going through the back twisty roads.
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hmmm.
What happened in these years that make these cars the exception.
I also notice that used cars for 97 and 2004 reflect an exceptionally high price tag.
What gives?
Fluctuations to the extent shown by their statistics are of little value. If these cars were living in the shop we'd all be talking about it. It just isn't so.
Mathematically, an ultra reliable car can make a reliable car look like a shop lizard. Case in point, if the ultra reliable car has an average of .5 shop visits per 100 cars annually (1 per 200), then a car that has only 1.5 average shop visits per 100 vehicles is 200% worse than the top model. A car visiting the shop 3 times is 500% worse! That SOUNDS absolutely horrible, and is a statistical nightmare, but in reality it is actually a reasonably reliable car that is represented to be totally unreliable... making the statistics meaningless... but all the hype sells more worthless magazines, and lots more Toyotas.
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I presently own a 2006 997 2CS coupe, the first Carrera White 2006 in California. The release date for the 2006 997, I beleive , was Oct 1, 2006. Picked my car up September 30, 2006..but whatever. In my humble opinion, the best looking Porsche 911 ever! ( 993 very close 2nd place ).
Check out any website that pictures the 2008 997 with the slightly tweeked front end and the mildly tweeked rear end lights and bumper. The only thing I would have to say is WARNING!!!! Porsche should back off just a little on the tweeked styling before they turn this car ugly. At what point does the " Bangle " design take this beautiful car into the relm of the slightly wierd with the 7 series BMW and the 2004 5 series? Porsche, please be careful. Don't ruin a GREAT thing.
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Just out of curiosity, how many miles do you have (12,400 here) and how are your tires doing as far as treadwear (mine appear to have at least 50%+ tread left). I was initally told to only expect 12-15k miles out of the rear tires, but it looks like they are going to make it a lot longer than that. I have the Pirellis. I've heard the Michilins are even better. Your experience?
Any other issues you have had in the last 17+ months?
I work about 3 blocks from where I live and have been driving another vehicle to work other than my " toys " . I have a 2004 BMW 5 series with 6300 miles on the clock and my Porsche has 2230 miles on it. The 997 is my toy and I drive it only for pleasure, on my days off and on the weekends. A new Porsche 911 was a dream of mine since I was 18 years old ( I'm now 57 ) and I saw my first 911 in a show room here in San Diego, Alan Johnson Porsche in La Mesa California. I fell in love with the quality... the quality was my main issue. Anyways, my tires are like new, as you would expect with only 2230 miles. I have already rotated the BMW's tires at 4,000 miles and see basically no wear in the BMW's tires. Unfortunately, since the Porsche's tires can't be rotated, I guess we are at the mercy of whatever wear the tires allow us. Giving up long life for better traction and " stickiness " is the issue. I have not priced new tires for the 997 yet, with the rate I'm going it will probably be the year 2020 before I need new ones, but I guess is you have to ask the price you should not own a Porsche. -My daughters own Hondas and I'll let them worry about that.
Chromedome
I have an '06 C2S Cab that I bought in April last year. I currently have 11800 miles on Michelin PS2 and just like in your case, it appears to have at least 50% tread left, so it looks like they will last more than 20K miles which is fantastic.
I have a 2002 carrera cab 6 speed. The issue with the clutch is:
When I shift gears and accel, the engine revs but the car doesn't accel with the revving. So when I go from 2nd to 3rd and accel, the car acts like the clutch is not fully depressed.
Any ideas???
Unfortunately, it sounds like you need a new clutch..
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Has the car been checked for the RMS (rear main seal) leak? Do you notice any oil drops on the ground where you park?
So is a brain. :confuse:
Now, please, let me get this straight. We ( read you) are smart enough to have an income that allows us to purchase a $100K + sportscar, smart enought to get a tracking system installed in that car, smart enough to use the unit to find the car but NOT smart enough to take your key out of the ignition and lock that $100K+ car and dumb enough to admit it....mmmmmmm! Something just doesn't figure here???
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