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  • s4to911s4to911 Posts: 12
    Drive both, then decide. I thought the extra 10K was worth it, and bought an S Cab. By the time you option out the base Carrera, you are close to an S anyway in price (you will want fewer options with an S).

    Some other thoughts:

    (1) There is no difference in comfort or useability with 19 inch wheels. My S Cab has been a daily driver for 2500 miles since June and handles flawlessly. It is less harsh than my old Audi 2001 S4 with stock suspension.
    (2) Same can be said with PASM. The car handles much tighter with PASM in sport mode. Even in sport mode, it is less harsh than my stock S4.
    (3) Clearly, if you think that the extra 10K isn't worth it, go for the base Carrera--it is a wonderful car. But drive both if you can--there is nothing like personal experience to guide you.

    To get an idea of where there are cars to test--check out the Porshce website under "find a dealer." Get all dealers within 100 miles of you, then go to their websites and find their new 911 inventory. You will find and S and non-S 911 to test...
  • habitat1habitat1 Posts: 4,282
    In the event I order a 911 S Cabriolet, would I be nuts to get it in Speed Yellow?

    I let my daughters pick spa yellow as the color for my previous $32k Honda S2000, and I'm even willing to go with Speed Yellow on a $60k Boxster S, but I'm concerned that speed yellow might be a bit over the top on a $100k 911 Cab. Porsche itself features a 4 page fold out of a Cab S in speed yellow in its brochure, and I think it looks great. However, the dealer has suggested that an extra $825 for Seal Gray on a 911 would be a more appropraitely conservative choice and better for future resale.

    Any opinions?
  • kyfdxkyfdx Posts: 28,025
    I have to agree with your first impressions.. Not that I would get it, but Speed Yellow would seem more appropriate on a Boxster, than a 911...

    Of course, I really like the Seal Gray.... so, I may be biased.

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  • tomtomtomtomtomtom Posts: 491
    There's a reason that Porsche used that color to promote the Cab, because it looks good. Also, I think cabriolet should be in bright sunny color instead of dark colors. Anyway, I think you need to pick one that you like the best (you are paying $100K for it). By the way, I also ordered one in Speed Yellow
  • bsummer/htat/s4 Once again, many thanks for taking the time to post some great insights. I've had lots of tricked out BMWs (full Alpina conversions etc), hence my consideration of the M3. But, I've always wanted a 911. And as you pointed out a quick car with some compromise or pretty much the epitome of a true sports car.

    I've avoided, for awhile this dilemma as I made a small real estate investment today that will tie up some of my $$$ for a bit.

    Good thing I have my AMC Pacer station wagon for my second car =)
  • 96redlt496redlt4 Posts: 13
    I think worth the money for the 'S' pckg. I have not driven the 997, but I also own a 01 C5 vette 6spd coupe and it feels about as fast as my 997S. The handling, build quality etc. shows no comparison however between the two. The Porsche is significantly better. I would have just hated to drive home in a car that felt slower than my 'Bowling Green Iron' IMHO!
  • merc1merc1 Posts: 6,081
    In the event I order a 911 S Cabriolet, would I be nuts to get it in Speed Yellow?

    No, but it would be a curious color for a 911 Cabrio. I could see it on a Coupe maybe, but not on a Cabrio, imo. I think the best color for the 997 is Midnight Blue with that Sand Beige interior. That is stunning, yet tasteful to me. Porsche also has a green that I like, but I'm not sure what its called. I do know thats its like a 3K option.

    M
  • I'm not ashamed to expose my ignorance here (I have plenty) about Porsche options--I think the Speed yellow would look good on a coupe as well, and don't they offer contrasting color on the seat piping as an option? Black interior with yellow piping. Seems like a combination you 'd see on one of the tuner cars, like Ruf etc.

    OTOH, it seems that as soon as you get the car you may subconsciously be thinking about re-sale down the road and that may not be a combination that appeals to a lot of folks.

    I live in So Cal (sure many posters here do too) and some guy--don't know who--has, or had a yellow RR convertible with black interior that's always conspicuously parked with the top down on Rodeo Drive.

    Land Rover had bright yellow as an option I believe—it looked all right on the Disco, but seemed a bit much for the Range Rover. Smaller cars seem better able to handle different or wilder colors. I recall that Porsche had deep plumb color (aubergene-sp?) many years ago that looked nice
  • habitat1habitat1 Posts: 4,282
    Merc,

    Interesting difference of opinion, I think the Speed Yellow looks better on a 911 Cab or Boxster than a 911 coupe. I like the contrast between the yellow and black top and interior. However, in coupe form, I'd probably go with seal grey or silver. With the entire car in speed yellow (i.e. the roof of the coupe), it looks a little too much like an Easter egg, IMO. If you swing by a Porsche dealership, the 2005 "New 911" brochure features the Cab S in Speed Yellow.

    Midnight Blue is beautiful - clean! But it's a little too close to the black that I've had once that drove me nuts and showed swirl marks way to soon. I think I saw the Olive Green that you referred to. I also thought it looked good, but that is one of the colors that I've heard is extremely hard on resale. Not an issue for someone planning to keep the car for 10 years.
  • Hello Steelcruiser,

    You seem to be pretty knowledgeable on this subject. If I was to purchase a new base model 911, the options I would include would be the Xenon lighting, leather seats and the Bose sound system. Given that Porsche can and does nickel and dime you to death when it comes to options, which other options would you absolutely insist on purchasing? 19 inch wheels? If so, does it effect the ride greatly? I do not have hard driving habits. I plan to use this car pretty regularly, I plan on having it for a very long time and would be willing to sacrifice some performance for comfort.

    Thanks!
  • merc1merc1 Posts: 6,081
    I guess I would be to paranoid driving a yellow Porsche. I think that would draw too much attention from the law.

    Yes thats it, Olive Green. Stunning color. I can see it on a Cab, but I don't know what color the top would be. I don't like black tops.

    M
  • pabs1pabs1 Posts: 15
    Hello everybody,
    The dealer informed me yesterday at 4:30 PM Pacific time that my Porsche 911S 2006 just came out of the truck, can't wait to go and get it today.
    Let you know how it is...... :) :) :) :) :)
  • merc1merc1 Posts: 6,081
    What a priceless moment that must be. Enjoy!

    M
  • pabs1pabs1 Posts: 15
    Thanks for the congrats, but it is NOT a priceless moment.............. it is very Pricey !!!!!!!

    I'll enjoy it fully. :) :D :) :D :)
  • I just got a 06 997S coupe in GT silver because it just rolled off the truck and it had everything else I wanted on it, and it was there. Jumped right the F*&k in!.... you only live once right? So far after 250 somewhat pampered miles I think it is everything I hoped it would be. I got the sport shifter, mirrors and bose as options. Wanted Nav, but can add it later. Awesome looking car. Anyone know why the GT Silver and a few of Porsche's other metallic paints are 3k options? Does Jessica Alba put the paint on or what?
  • tomtomtomtomtomtom Posts: 491
    Not sure why, especially, when you can pay an extra couple for a custom color. I am picking up my Speed Yellow tomorrow...CAN"T WAIT!
  • habitat1habitat1 Posts: 4,282
    Too bad you live on the other side of the country, or I'd be bringing the Dom Perignon just to have a ride in the passenger seat.

    Congratulations on a beatiful car. In the event you are more techically proficient than me, please snap a digital photo and post. I'd love to see a real Speed Yellow 997.

    Drive carefully.
  • SB I'm learning a lot about these cars from this forum. I'm trying to make the decision you seem to be grappling with too. A Carrera or a Carrera S. My limited research on pricing/options etc, lead me to think the Carrera is just fine, but if you think you want or need the extra HP, then get the S. I think you're right about the options situation. I can't believe how many options Porsce offers. My own thinking on options is there are probably "must have" options for potential resale at some point, but paint to sample, the ceramic breaks etc...I don't know. Nav systems seem to be becoming something to have

    I've read through many of the posts on here and there are certainly lots of knowledgeable people here with some great inputs which I'm finding very helpful

    As an aside, I've done research on the various dealers within a 100 mile radius of my house and have been surprised at how negative the comments are regarding both sales and service.

    Just my .02 for the moment
  • Is it possible to share your buying experience and a ball park price? (don't know it that violates board rules or not)
  • Thank you Steelcruiser. My thoughts on the NAV system are to leave it out. If this was a "normal" car I would replace every 3-4 years, no problem. The 911, in my opinion, is a mobile piece of art which I plan on keeping for a very long time. Although my other family cars, a 2001 BMW 740iL, a 2004 Acura MDX and a 2005 Audi A4, all have NAV systems which are great, the technology changes and improves so rapidly it seems that adding a NAV system on a car that I plan on keeping for possibly decades seems inappropriate due to it's near-term obsolecence.

    I think I'll stick with the Xenon lights, the Bose system, leather interior and possibly a few minor cosmetic items on the base model.

    Thanks.
  • I have similar feelings on the Nav system--as this will not be a daily driver and I can drive from my garage to the living room blindfolded, so I don't need the Nav system. I figure I'll put at most 15 or 20 miles a year on the car =))

    Speaking of which, I'd like to see "them" make the displays moveable to optimize the viewing of the screens--it would be nice if the screens could be tilted and adjusted like the rear view mirrors, so you could get that "just right" position. I'm not familiar with the newer voice activated systems. I wonder if they allow you to say "go to Bob's house"?
  • Good point on the screens. Seems like an easy problem to solve.

    This wouldn't necessarily be an every day car, but not far behind. I do plan on putting fairly significant miles on this car. Porsche, unlike other high-end cars, seems to be made to drive. Friends of ours have an early-60's model which they still drive virtually daily. It's unbreakable. On the other hand, I have friends that own Ferrari's who keep it in the garage. You think upkeep on a Porsche is expensive? $8,000 "tune ups" every 15,000 miles. What's the use?
  • habitat1habitat1 Posts: 4,282
    For what it's worth, I test drove a 2006 997 coupe yesterday with the sport chrono option. I initially though it was mostly aesthetic, but after activating it, I noticed the faster throttle response immediately. So if you are going to add a few "cosmetic" items to the 911, this is one I would suggest considering that adds an interesting visual and functional/performance touch.

    Good point on the obsolescense of the Nav system, but I figure if it works for me now, I'll still be reasonably happy in 7-10 years. When you look at the interior of a 993 or even 996 compared to a 997, you quickly realize how much the entire older interior has become aesthetically obsolete.
  • The interior on the 05' is superior, not to mention getting away from the ugly Boxster-type headlights. Seems like the 05' has taken a huge leap forward.
  • bsumnerbsumner Posts: 39
    Re: Nav system. The good news is that this can be installed at any time--since all 997s have the PCM screen it's just a module add-on. So, this is a $2k nut that you can defer . . .

    Regarding other options, the most important in my view are:
    Xenon headlights [should be standard]
    Rear wiper [does anyone have any views on this? I am told it is very helpful]
    Electrochromic rear and side view mirrors [should be standard]
    Electrically adjustable seats
    Heated seats
    Bose stereo
    CD changer

    Other thoughts?

    -BS
  • I have a feeling the CD changer could be added later on. One thing I like, is the crest on the wheels colored in red, yellow and black. I think that's an extra too.

    Not sure about the rear wiper except the rear window is pretty flat?

    Yikes! $8,000 for a Ferrari tuneup? No wonder you see so many advertised with so few miles/
  • tripftripf Posts: 8
    When I researched post delivery NAV the "option cost" went from a little over $2K to about $3.5K. I'm not sure anyone "needs" the NAV, but having it factory installed seemed the better option.
  • habitat1habitat1 Posts: 4,282
    I generally agree with you list, with a couple of adjustments:

    (1) Power seats: There are three optional seats: power, sport (non-power), and adaptive (sport w/ power). They are, as I recall, about $1,550, $760, and $3,000+ respectively over the standard non-power, non-sport. In the case of the non-power seats, there are certain adjustments that are electric, just not all and, most importantly, the "power" option gives you memory settings for the seats and mirrors. In a 911, I'd go with "adaptive", since my wife and I would both be driving it and we both like the sport seats. In the case of a Boxster S, I'd rather have non-power sport seats than the standard seats with power. I'd be the primary driver and I can deal with the occasional adjustment.

    (2) Sport Chrono: I won't get a 911 (or Boxster S) without the sport chrono package, now that I've had the chance to test drive it. It's probably 50/50 performance and looks, so itf you don't like the look, pass, but there is a performance benefit.

    (3) I'd also like PASM which comes standard on the 911 S. I'm only considering Boxster S's with it.

    (4) Sport steering whell - a $250 +/- option that nobody should pass on, given the chance. Looks and feels much better than the standard steering wheel.

    (5) Rear wiers don't apply to the Cabriolet, but I don't think I would find them particularly useful and an aesthetic distraction. At speed, the rain sheets off the rear window and I would hope not too many 911 purchasers are going to use them in snow.

    (6) Performance driving school: Almost a must for the 911. The Boxster S is a perfectly balanced, intuitive to drive car. The 911 is not. With all of it's potentially exceptional capabilities, you need to know what you are doing to drive it properly. I confess, I don't. So, unless you like the idea of a $90k sports car driven like a $40k sedan, I think Skip Barber or equivalent is mandatory for the 911.

    Highly subjective, these option priorities. Guess that's why Porsche capitalizes on them with their obscene pricing.

    P.S. Both the Nav and CD changer can be added after purchase, but be aware. Quotes form two dealers on adding a CD changer to a in-stock Boxster S were $650 (factory cost) and $1,400 (suggested price for dealer installed). Quotes from the same two dealers on adding the Nav module: $2,000 and $4,000, respecitively.
  • Good point on the driving school and seats. Guess I'd be listening to the engine sounds more than CDs, so the changer is no big deal to me.

    These posts on options remind me of the Porsche TV commercial from a few years ago that showed the guys looking at their socks and then a Porsche emerges painted to match =)
  • bsumnerbsumner Posts: 39
    Very helpful feedback. A few follow-up Qs:

    1. Sport Seats. Can you be more specific re: seats. My understanding is that sport seats are more appropriate for shorter, "spirited" drives, but tend to cause fatigue over long hauls. Am I incorrect?

    2. Sports Chrono. You appear to be a real believer re: sports chrono. My issues here are: cost, and silliness. Performance point is important to consider. I think it looks good too. However, having a stopwatch on one's dashboard, when one steps back to consider it, seems a little ridiculous. The only stopwatch to worry about is the one built into the Highway Patrol's laser (unless you're logging a lot of track time) . . . and thus I may spend the $$ on a Valentine One instead. Or I may be weak and get this anyway.

    3. PASM. If I'm not getting an S, PASM seems like too much $$. If I spring for that, I'll just get the S. As I've said before, I'm more inclined to put my $$ towards the 4 wheel drive.

    4. Sports steering wheel. I find people's interest in the sports steering wheel to be fascinating. I actually think that (and I know this is heresy) most of Porsche's modern steering wheels are ugly, so I am always curious to hear this.

    5. Rear wipers. I take your point. The reason that I'm leery is that, interestingly enough, my X5 would be virtually undriveable in heavy rain without this feature . . . there's something about the design that causes water to pool up on the (near vertical!) rear window. I'd never have considered this option but for my X5.

    6. Driving school. I agree that it's a must. I'll probably wait until after my car's broken in (so I'm not tempted). I think of Porsche driving the way I always think of SCUBA diving: exhilarating buy scary. Without the fear (another reason for Carrera 4)--one can get bitten. The downsides to rear-biased weight distribution and power-on understeer . . .

    Thanks. I've found that all of the recent comments have been very constructive and the dialogue very interesting. Much appreciated.

    -BS
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