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  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    My recollection was that it wasn't an accident. It was a man's curiosity as to what happens "up there". Fair enough for all sides IMO. I for one don't know exactly where peak torque and horsepower is on a 997.

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  • andres3andres3 Member Posts: 13,729
    I'd like to find out if the 911 is really something I should be saving up for and aspiring to. At gas prices these days, you should loan it to me for a full tank of gas on return.... no additional charge. ;)
    '15 Audi Misano Red Pearl S4, '16 Audi TTS Daytona Gray Pearl, Wife's '19 VW Tiguan SEL 4-Motion
  • chrmdomechrmdome Member Posts: 107
    Yo....

    Continue dreaming

    Chromedome
  • chrmdomechrmdome Member Posts: 107
  • chrmdomechrmdome Member Posts: 107
    So......

    I'm just wondering what the next topic will be that will have an action/reaction response from our present forum members.....like tossing a pitbull a fresh bone ", I reckon " ! I am wondering if any of our members know if disconnecting the battery will erase the DME? I'm unlikely to have the rev-limiter kick in again.. but I'm not totally cool on Porsche USA knowing that I did have it kick in.

    Chromedome
  • chile96chile96 Member Posts: 330
    Nothing short of hooking your DME up to the transformer on the telephone pole in your backyard will erase your DME overrev counter. Whenever you have some sort of costly engine repair issue under warranty, the first thing Porsche will do is take a look at the number of Type I and II overrevs. They will try and weasel out of the warranty claimed based upon "abuse" if found.

    I just purchased a 996 for my wife and asked three different dealers if they would give me that readout in the PPI. One acted he had no idea what I was talking about, one refused to do the PPI once I mentioned possibly getting this overrev readout, and the last said that readout is the private property of porsche and thus will not surrender that information. What a crock!
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    yeah I've heard this referred to as a "deep scan" and it is apparently proprietary. But I see no reason why someone couldn't do it (or whatever they call it at Porsche---each automaker has a different system) and then tell you something about it without showing you anything. I'd like to have that info if I were buying used. I'll ask around and see what this is all about exactly, and get back to you.
  • hotrod81hotrod81 Member Posts: 16
    I don't know "exactly" either, but I am sure that everyone has looked at the pictures in the sales literature and their owner's manual and noticed it tapering off after the peak. btw: my '85 cut out right at redline. I always assumed the '06 did the same, until after reading this discussion.
    Glad it came up!
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    Oh yeah, rev limiters are old stuff. That invention is even pre-computer. But storing the data, that's something else.
  • kyfdxkyfdx Moderator Posts: 235,175
    I used to bump up against mine a lot.. '84 911.. It was right at the redline..

    Usually, entering the interstate on a cloverleaf.. holding 2nd gear all the way around, and bumping it just before upshifting to 3rd, as I hit the straightaway..

    To be honest, I was glad it had the limiter.. Not that I'm in a habit of over-revving, but those air-cooled engines weren't even straining at redline... There was certainly no aural clue that you needed to shift.. :)

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  • tagmantagman Member Posts: 8,441
    Mine is an '07 CS2 Cab, and I've had no reservations about putting my foot to the floor on occassion and getting everything out of the car that it is willing to give. The engine is quite willing to go to the limiter, and gives the impression that it would easily do more if allowed to.

    I'm willing to bet that the limiter kicks in well before any genuine dangerous limits are reached, and that there is little real-life damage to be concerned with by running the engine up to the limit now and then. For goodness sakes, it's a Porsche! Take great care of it, of course. But to baby it... that would be a shame. I didn't buy it to be timid.

    If it can't handle running at the limit once in a while, then I've bought the wrong car... but then again, I believe it can handle it just fine, and I've got the car of my dreams!

    Let me just add that I'm glad the limiter is there... otherwise I'd blow it up for sure. :shades:

    TagMan
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    Okay I asked around and the consensus from the Porsche specialists is that they (the independent shops) can read the revs IF the engine throws a code while over-revving or hitting the limiter, but if it doesn't throw a code, they can't tell from their scanners at what rpm an "incident" occurred. So they wouldn't know if you hit the rev limiter.

    But Porsche has scanners that can tell each time you hit the rev limiter and also if you exceed the red zone by downshifting into the wrong gear (which the rev limited cannot prevent). This information is stored and retrievable.

    They did know of one 996 that was revved to 9,200 rpm, said the computer, and it bent the valves....but the lower end of the engine was fine. The driver hit 1st instead of 3rd gear---that how 9,200 rpm happened.
  • tagmantagman Member Posts: 8,441
    Thanks for the add'l info... I just can't imagine too many of us Porsche 911 owners becoming paranoid, as we look over our shoulder every time we confront the rev limiter (wondering if Porsche is monitoring from within. LOL.) ;)

    TagMan
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    No, but if you screw up, meaning going OVER redline with a mis-shift, they will know about it and they'll stick it to you, I'm sure. Hitting the rev limiter? I don't think Porsche would care at all about that. That's why they put one in there. You need a rev limiter with any free-revving engine, because sooner or later you'll space out from being too busy with negotiating the road, etc at speed. It happens to all of us eventually, and that's no sweat.

    But hitting it INTENTIONALLY time after time is kinda pointless IMO....

    Visiting Host
  • tagmantagman Member Posts: 8,441
    Yeah... the mis-shift should be rare though... the stick has terrific throw and positions, but I suppose it can happen to anyone at some point. That's a far cry from nailing it to the limit over and over and over... in which case some sort of "therapy" might be in order, or a visit to the track, or driving lessons, or something. :sick:

    Thanks again for taking the time to get the info!

    TagMan
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    Well it was an interesting question and I always enjoy visiting the local Porsche shops to see how the independents are coping with new tech, and also whatever new issues/problems they are finding. The indies generally only see cars a few years old, or occasionally a new car owner who is having a beef with the dealer and wants service elsewhere.

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  • chrmdomechrmdome Member Posts: 107
    Greetings:

    I've done a little research after the mild tongue lashing about hitting my rev-limiter....( and keeping my car really clean ) 2006 Porsche Carrera Manual... look under the index on " Shifting ". They mention the rev- limiter as preventing over -revs on the UPSHIFT, they do not mention engine damage, or caution against it. They again mention over-revs on DOWNSHIFT and warn heavily against engine damage. Look under the Porsche USA website and go on the virtual Zuffenhausen factory tour. When you get to engine testing they say that they test every engine at " full throttle ".. mmmmm I wonder what " full throttle " means. I've been told 10,000 rpm for 5 minutes... how does that relate to the 2000 mile break in period ? Anyway, look at all the other forums and they mention time and time again that the rev-limiter protects the engine, is a " Stage 1 " incident and unless it is numerous in occurrance, it is looked at as a protection issue, not a concern about engine damage. A slip of the foot in neutral could causes the rev limiter to kick in ,DUH!! The rev limiter is there to protect us from our amateur mistakes. Another example of opinions and [non-permissible content removed].... everybody knows someone who " knows it all " and is an expert on some Porsche team or is some Porsche consultant..ya rite " etc etc

    Chromedome, tossing the bone
  • habitat1habitat1 Member Posts: 4,282
    Another example of opinions and [non-permissible content removed]....

    That pretty well describes how your last post read, hopefully unitended. I think you are way over obsessing on this issue and this forum needs to move on.

    Bone buried, at least by me.
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    No one is tongue-lashing you at all. If you read through the posts again, you'll see we all agree that hitting the rev limiter is something we have all done, and will all do again, and that it is basically harmless. Looks like everyone is on the same page here.

    chromedome is quite right, and I'm sure your regular host will agree, let's move on.

    Visiting Host
  • 07997turbo07997turbo Member Posts: 31
    For what it is worth, the local NASCAR track (NHIS) wont allow the car on the track due to the fact that it is "Too fast for the track" in thier own words.

    In essence, the car is both of great value and of absolutely NO value since police officers like YOU target these cars and qualified race tracks wont allow them to be driven on thier tracks. Obviously safety is the issue in both instances here... so WHY spend 127K on a car if you cant DRIVE it?

    and as for the Jack Daniels, I dont drink.
  • 07997turbo07997turbo Member Posts: 31
    Sport mode changes the throttle mapping so that higher tourque is achieved much quicker as well as adding an extra 3 or 5 (Cant recall without looking at the manual ) Lbs boost for 10 seconds. In essence, this brings you to the max BHP of 480 sooner than without it... meaning quicker quarter mile times... and perhapd even a jump on road racing if your opponent needs to wait an additional second for his engine to attain it's max BHP and subsequently, power to his wheels.
  • kennygoodboykennygoodboy Member Posts: 13
    After agonizing for close to a year as to which trim I should purchase, options, etc, I finally took delivery of my Targa 4S on Thursday. I quickly put on 700 miles as my brother, mom, dad, girlfriend, co-worker, aunt and cousin all took test drives. Some initial thoughts -

    Likes:
    - Color combination is striking in person (black/sand beige leather). Willing to sacrifice time/$ to keep it up
    - All leather looks incredible
    - Handling (duh)
    - Brakes are amazing
    - I think i made the right call on the classic wheels, they look even better on the larger rear tires
    - Xenon's are very cool
    - Great driving environment even with glass top up (and screenshade down)
    - Navi is great only because i've never had one before (I am sure others are better per this board)

    Dislikes:
    - though i knew the glass roof blocks some rear vision when deployed, its still a little annoying. I can see ok during the day but much tougher at night
    - not even having an aux jack for my ipod is really, really annoying. Again, i knew this as well but Porsche should have some basics in a $100k car. I have a local guy who can put in an aftermarket kit from Nav-TV that will cost $1k but i am less worried about the cost and more worried about the possibility of the electronics going haywire if they screw up.

    Conclusion - best $100k i ever spent (ha)
  • david3299david3299 Member Posts: 13
    Hey Guys and Girls,

    I currently have a 1989 911. I'm thinking about placing a gold plated porsche emblem (standard hood part) on each front fender walls instead on the sticker. Your opinion would be appreciated.
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    I'll vote no. This shape is the most unmistakable in the world. Everybody already knows what the car is. It doesn't need a name IMO.

    best,

    Visiting Host
  • david3299david3299 Member Posts: 13
    Thanks for your comment.
  • dan24oudan24ou Member Posts: 4
    I'm looking at a 2000 911 Carrera Coupe. It currently has about 38k miles and they are asking 35k. I have been trying to find out maintenance costs for this car. How much are inspections and other routine costs? Is there a big inspection at 40 or 50K miles that will cost a lot?

    Thanks,

    Dan
  • lurbanlurban Member Posts: 1
    I recently moved to the Wilmington/Jacksonville NC area and looking for a mechanic for my 1973 911T /MI. Can someone help?
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    Routine maintenance is neither particularly expensive or frequent on a 911, compared to most cars of that type. Of course, you should avail yourself of the services of a good independent shop now that warranty is over, where you can work with the shop and discuss what is recommended, what is necessary and what is truly optional at each service. A dealer will just sell you the whole package, and that can get pricey.

    I'm just guessing here but I'd figure maybe $100 a month for routine maintenance and services and the occasional expendables.
  • chile96chile96 Member Posts: 330
    not only would that be an atrocity to the car but you'd be made fun of to say the least. i sincerely hope you were kidding in what i could understand from your broken sentence
  • tagmantagman Member Posts: 8,441
    Let me be the first on the board to CONGRATULATE you on one of the best purchases of your life!

    :shades:

    TagMan
  • habitat1habitat1 Member Posts: 4,282
    Maintenance costs can vary significantly by geographic area and even by dealership / mechanic.

    My 2005 911S (997 model) technically did not require it's first service until 2 years/20k miles. I had the oil/filter changed (9.5 quarts) and an inspection of other fluids done at a dealership at 1 yr/10k miles for $250. The 2 year/20k is expected to cost $600 +/-. But the 4 year/40k mile major service is expected to cost $2,000 +/-.

    It sounds like the car you are considering is due for a major service mileage wise, if one has not already been performed. Hopesfully, they have all maintenance and repair records so you can check. But I would call up one or more dealerships in your area to get their estimate of what would be required and cost.

    Aslo, I'll be taking my new car to a dealership during the warranty period - and probably beyond. But I know of others that have found very good independent Porsche mechanics that specialize in the 996/993 and earlier models. You might want to check that out as well.
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    I have to say that in my own personal experience Porsche dealers are pretty lame when it comes to cars out of warranty. (But there ARE exceptions!) The independents are true enthusiasts, and also have a lot of experience modifying and improving the cars. And a good independent will have a relationship with the dealer, and they will cooperate. Why? Because the dealer doesn't want to work on older cars and the independents can't really touch the new ones due to warranty issues or lack of tech date. Certainly any independent shop that is competent can handle 4-5 year old Porsches, no problem.

    Naturally there are also a lot of fakers in the Porsche repair business. Just because he has a German accent and works on Mercedes, doesn't mean he knows diddley about a Porsche.

    Reputation is the key to choosing an independent, and this is where joining PCA comes in, or asking around. Fortunately, northern California has an abundance of Porsche talent.
  • spechtbachspechtbach Member Posts: 16
    Does PCA have a list of recommended independent repair shops on their web site?
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    Don't think so. They do have "The Mart" where shops might advertise. I think the best resource is where certain independent shops will host local events for PCA or do a tech session for PCA members in their shop. Usually these indies are thus highly regarded.
  • spechtbachspechtbach Member Posts: 16
    A gold plated Porsche emblem placed on the fender walls would be the ultimate in poor taste. Not even Ferrari owners are that tacky.
  • chile96chile96 Member Posts: 330
    best bet is to join the PCA or attend an event and ask some of the members who they recommend. usually there is a favorite shop amongst the enthusiasts in each area

    where are you BTW?
  • thebrewguythebrewguy Member Posts: 5
    I'm also seeing numerous chips on the hood of my `01 911. I've looked at the Clear Bras but would rather find a stone deflector.

    Has anyone seen a stone (or bug) deflector for 911's. I believe the new GT3 & GT3 R/S comes with a deflector but I can't find one for other or older models.

    Thanks!
  • thebrewguythebrewguy Member Posts: 5
    Has anyone seen a stone (or bug) deflector for 911's. I believe the new GT3's come with a deflector but I can't find one for other or older models. (see porsche.com for pictures) I've checked with several dealerships but so far haven't found one...

    Thanks!
  • kennygoodboykennygoodboy Member Posts: 13
    Not sure if you are in the midwest but I had a dealer in Birmingham, MI (Fred Lavery) do it for me and also a dealership in suburban Chicago (Motor Werks of Barrington) that would do it for me as well. I believe a typical job costs $1k or so but I got the works for over $2k (because the dealer paid for it). So far , so good (you dont notice unless you are 6 inches away).
  • spechtbachspechtbach Member Posts: 16
    I live in Palos Verdes which is a suburb of Los Angeles. I have a 2007 C2 and would prefer to change the oil every 7000 miles. With my BMWs, I had much better luck with independent repairmen.The dealers tend to be way too much trouble. I am a member of PCA but have not had the time to attend their meetings due to sailing,cycling & kids.
    Thanks!
  • ringleader6ringleader6 Member Posts: 43
    Your best bet is for the 8mm clear urethane product made by either 3M or Avery Dennison. There are other "clear bra" products made but these are the only two with a clear coat applied to give the same high gloss as the paint finish. As with most products like this, an experienced and talented installer is a must. If you cover the entire hood and fenders, it is difficult to even know it is installed on the car. Costs about $1,200 There are kits now which will cover the entire vehicle. I have had the 3M product on a GT Silver which you could absolutely not see the material. It does work. I am not sure how it would work out on a damaged surface so you may want to have some paint work done first. I think if you put a deflector on your car it may qualify for the "You might be a Redneck If" calendar. But if you do, you may as well get those shields on the fenders too.........
  • eliaselias Member Posts: 2,209
    ringleader6, thanks to your advice to the brewmanator, i'm rethinking my idea about installing Yosemite Sam "back off" mudflaps when I get a 911.
  • thebrewguythebrewguy Member Posts: 5
    I'm sure the boys in Zuffenhausen will be relieved ;) Still, when I look at the nose of a new GT3 RS, there appears to be a deflector at the lip of the hood. I'll call my local Walmart to see if they stock it. Of course I'll also opt for the trailer hitch. Thanks for the help.
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    Hey! I once had mudflaps on a Porsche 911, no kidding! But they were custom made of stainless, very small, with lovely curves shaped by a friend who was a fabricator for a classic car restorer. I wonder if I have a photo somewhere.

    Have never seen a trailer hitch on a 911, but a bike rack, yes, and of course engine lid luggage rack (not the same thing as a whale tail!).
  • kennygoodboykennygoodboy Member Posts: 13
    thank you very much! good to be part of the porsche family. not many people like the targa but i absolutely love it (especially driving down lakeshore drive at dusk). here are some pics (finally)

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/9652550@N05/?saved=1
  • fedlawmanfedlawman Member Posts: 3,118
    Simply gorgeous - congrats!
  • bpm69bpm69 Member Posts: 10
    I've been trying to find one myself, it's just hard to find one that's not black or red and doesn't have black leather. Have you tossed it around at all? Do you notice the weight up top? How bad is the rearview at night with the top open? Any other thoughts?
  • kennygoodboykennygoodboy Member Posts: 13
    I just passed the 2k mark so I have been driving it hard only recently. I havent tracked it yet (my co-workers with GT3's like to toy with me) but so far i havent noticed any up top weight issues.

    Re: hard to find one. Yes, its definitely a challenge to find any sort of inventory at the dealer. So far in CY07, Targa sales represent only 5% of total 911 sales. To get what you want, you will probably have to order it. It took my guy 3-4 months to swap an allocation (spec'd it out in Dec, finally got a May build and took delivery in June).

    Re: rearview at night. One of only 2 complaints (other being no factory ipod hookup). The view in your rearview mirror is blocked on the bottom 1/3. At first it was slightly annoying but now i am used to it. I think its only an issue if a Prius is riding your rear bumper. And if that happens, you clearly arent driving the car correctly :)

    Re: any other thoughts. Only thing that i think most people overlook in the Targa is the view in the cabin when the top is UP. Critics will point to how its not completely open air like a Cab when the roof is down (true). However, when a driver puts the roof back up in the Targa for weather or other reasons, the view from inside the cabin is amazing. I think it gives it an exotic flair that makes the overall driving experience very enjoyable regardless of weather. Recently, I took a 250 mile road trip and I really liked having the ability at 80 mph to put the roof back up to take a break from the sun while still enjoying the view.

    Hope this helps.

    Ken
  • bpm69bpm69 Member Posts: 10
    If you don't mind my asking, what kind of discount to MSRP did you get on a build. If you prefer not to say, no big deal. Thanks for your prior thoughts.
  • kennygoodboykennygoodboy Member Posts: 13
    Basically zero (I only mind i didnt get a discount ;) ). I had no leverage at all because the other dealers didnt have an allocation so I couldnt put one against the other. I am sure if i was in CA or FL where they sell a lot more Porsches it could be different (apparently I have the only T4S sold in MI...no wonder they are pulling out of the Detroit Auto Show). However, I did get about $3k in free aftermarket items (complete clear bra treatment, ipod hookup, V1 installation). I was also less price sensitive as I leased it through my company so I am effectively getting a 35% discount. If you have any other specific questions that you dont feel comfortable posting, please feel free to email me at kschult2@chicagogsb.edu.
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