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ruking1, "Hybrids & Diesels: Deals or Duds?" #208, 14 Sep 2005 6:16 pm!make=CATS&model=Hybrid&ed_makeindex=.ef7fe1d
I'm going to go check it out tonight, am curious if it is a returned lease car and why it was returned.
Any thoughts on whether to get an 04 vs. 05 (and save a few thousand) or a TDI vs. a 1.8L? I would get an auto either way, since I don't drive manuals.
Thanks.
Should add this is at a certified dealer.
Also, it's in California. Can I drive this guy around for a few months before I move to Chicago??
good luck,
DL
hm i was actually about to look at one. I mentioned that to the VW sales people and they just laughed at me. Seriously, they just started laughing. They didn't laugh when I said I just got back from the honda dealer.
But actually, i will still probably go look.
1) Depreciation
2) Financing
3) Maintenance
4) Insurance
5) Fuel
Those are the costs related to owning a car.... The only clear advantage the Sonata has over the VW is financing... as you would borrow less money to purchase it.
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The VW dealer that I use for service is also the Hyundai dealer. They gave us a Hyundai as a loaner. I was VERY glad to get back into my Passat TDI. I cannot think of one thing I liked about the car, except it was a free loaner.
Pricing right now is too high for the TDI models. I called the dealer that I bought my Passat TDI from. I wanted a Beetle TDI. She told me that they were tough to get at MSRP. She offered to buy my Passat Wagon for what I paid in April. I told her I had better offers already. Timing is everything. Buying a high mileage car right now is bad in a sellers market. I'll wait till the price of gas drops. If it doesn't go down. I feel just like you, I can buy a lot of fuel for the difference between invoice and MSRP.
I have a friend who's worked for many years for GM's part supplier, Delphi, who explained to me how American car makers can "price to market." His plant could produce an A/C unit for a Chevy truck for $149; yet, if you went to a dealer's parts department you might be charged $339 for just the evaporator. So don't believe all the talk from the automakers that blame their woes primarily on the wage, pension, and health care costs extracted from them by the UAW. And you are right, gagrice, the free trade mania being pushed now by the Republicans benefits the big guys - the corporations and the wealthy - and is an assault on the working classes as Perot and Buchanan pointed out in the 1990s in their criticism of NAFTA. As for as auto makers like VW's prohibition of cross border sales of new vehicles, I believe there have been some lawsuits in the courts for some time now alleging monopolistic price fixing.
Sonata is US built and has 10 yr or 100000 mile drivetrain warranty and 5yr 60000 mile bumper to bumper........soooo, I agree. You have to really want a TDI.
If you have specific Prices Paid or Buying Experiences related to a VW TDI model, feel free to post them... but, off -topic posts need to go elsewhere.. Use the "Browse By Vehicle tabs to the left to find the appropriate forum.
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I havent seen any in dealer inventory anywhere.
Is this reasonable?
Thanks in advance for any feedbacks and advices!
PS MSRP is 23505 for TDi Package 1. They are quoting you a price above MSRP without Package 1 it appears.
Thanks you for the suggestions.
I am debating whether I should keep this great fuel saver or not.... :confuse:
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A little too steep for my blood, but for others might look attractive.
Tried to haggle with the dealer, but there was no movement. Everyone at the dealership wanted a TDI. There was some hysteria at that time. One lady was complaining that the Cabrio Beetle TDI someone else was test driving was "hers" as she wanted to buy it on the spot, right after testing it earlier (it was the last TDI left). The dealer wouldn't even throw in the free mats. Of course, I could have waited and saved a couple of bucks, but I will probably save $100 in gas by the end of the month as we put 250 miles on the vehicle per week. On the upside, didn't pay any fees. Just a small doc fee of about $100 to get the tags and sales tax. Besides, buying a Jetta diesel is not a purely economic decision.
Car was ordered early September with an arrival date of 24 October. Was actually delivered first week of October.
On my first tank of gas with mostly highway but also bumper to bumper traffic and short distance errands to various stores through stop lights & parking lots, etc., got 40 mpg. Big improvment over the 17 mpg I was getting in my SUV!
I think you were part of the hysteria paying MSRP...
Check their web site and ask for the internet sales mgr.
Good luck!
Good Luck :shades:
I, for one, will be test driving the new GTI as soon as I possibly can.
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It should repay you in saved fuel.
I'm quite close to finalizing a deal on a used TDI, but I wanted to get some input from some of the members here. I'm new to diesels, but not to VW's (currently own a '91 GTI). My wife and I are currently expecting, and we've decided that we really need a wagon. We both enjoy the style and driving feel of Passats, and the idea of saving some gas $$ by owning a diesel. So, the TDI seems a natural choice.
Obviously TDIs (particularly Passat wagons) are getting rather scarce right now, but after calling 25 dealers in a 50 mile radius of my home, I managed to find a single one: a CPO 2004 Passat TDI GLS wagon with 17k miles for $22.6k. It has leather(but no wood), ESP, power sunroof, rubber floormats, 15" wheels, and is in excellent condition cosmetically. We test drove it, loved it, and started negotiating. The dealer won't budge from $22.6k plus $100 in "dealer fees." He's holding it for us, and we have a week to decide.
Everything I've read suggests that this is probably a pretty great deal, but I would really appreciate some input from the community of experts.
Thanks!
Im sure you might get the answer here, but the TDI Club is your best place for answers.
http://www.bio-beetle.com/
They made a lousy offer on my 1998 Passat, but will sell the car at that price without the trade. It's ~ $1K below TMV for my area (Austin, TX).
Apparently there have been a wide number of expensive warrenty claims VW has had to cough up for from bad biodiesel - both from bad commercial BD and poorly created home brew BD as well. So, they are far more restrictive here than they are in europe. Personally I would only use high levels of biodiesel if I made it myself, which I am considering, or if I were sure the source made good BD.
There is some debate on how biodiesel will work with the PD diesels (MY 2004+). Some are indeed doing so w/o problems, but the biggest number I have seen is 19K miles from that biodiesel beetle auto rental place mentioned earlier. So, a bit too early to tell for sure I guess
I do not think there are tax credits for the VW diesels as you need to have a clean emissions diesel to qualify. AFIAK the bluetech diesel from mercedes qualifies/will qualify, and (cheapest car I have seen it in) will be found in the jeep grand cheerokee sometime soon
As to future diesels? VW will hopefully quailify with the new line of common rail diesels they are suppose (rumor has it) to be bringing out across their product line in MY 2008.