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You have just listed most of the features of our 2007 Nissan Versa SL. but that's not what I meant when I compared the Jetta to the others in the pack.
You see, the current Jetta is almost the exact same dimensions as all it's current completion. Going bigger will get than out of that crowed gang and give them a leg up considering the Polo will be coming in at VW's bottom end and should do well there with the Beetle TDI and Golf TDI in hatchback form .
Then the new U.S. built VW model will be free to compete with the most popular and best selling sedan sizes on the road today..the Sonata, Malibu, Camry, and the Accord. (feel free to add all the other ones I have missed)
The question in my mind is VW up to the challenge of building a really great selling new, Jetta, (I doubt that's what they will even call it) considering they already have the bigger Passat, a kind of a sales dud, sitting on the showroom floors.
Hope your new JSW lasts forever.
"The so-called NMS or New Midsize Sedan will replace the Passat in the US"
Could be they will just put the Passat out to pasture and see how the new..."NMS" works out. I don't think there would be much consumer backlash on that one...since thery stopped making the Passat TDI, especially in the beautiful Wagon model, who really cares?
A lot of speculation, but one things for sure, the Jetta as we know it is due for an update, one that some diehard Jetta fans won't like, but I think VW is looking for a new mass market that couldn't care less about the old VW Jetta's track record.
Get ready for BIGGER CUPHOLDERS!
As for getting out of that crowd, I think that's a mistake. VW needs a vehicle that leads the pack of these similarly sized cars (Polo is not a substitute here). The later posts and comments about the NMS are good comments - this is a new opportunity for VW to compete with the Accords, etc (between the Jetta and CC - and replacing Passat which failed in that mission).
See some NMS photos at this link: http://www.caranddriver.com/news/car/09q1/2011_2012_vw_passat_replacement_new_mi- d-size_sedan_nms_-car_news/gallery
I am interested in knowing how are you liking the car. I am very interested in the Golf TDI, but am having a hard time knowing it will probably cost me more than a GTI.
Thanks, George
TDI Cup without the body kit is a car that I expect you would be satisfied with.
TDI Cup without the body kit is a car that I expect you would be satisfied with.
They are not going to bring the GTD to USA.
Dealers are Boston Ma. area
2.0 170HP TDI is being certified for use in USA in an addtional vehicle and this will allow GTD to also be offered. That is what I've been told "off the record" from a VWoA employee.
I also will take the $1,700 tax credit compliments of our generous government. So between the sales tax deduction and the tax credit I estimate a tax benefit of around $2,300. So my actual cost will be reduced to around $22,140 plus tax and tags.
I am expecting a 3-4 month wait for the car. But I did put an escape clause in the sales agreement. If they don't deliver the car my 3/3/10 I can get my deposit refunded and try somewhere else.
I also added a stipulation that if the manufacturer offers any incentives before I pick up the car, either cash or financing, I will be able to get them.
So now I will have 100 days of anticipation to dream about my new acquisition. I am already planning a nice driving vacation down to South Carolina in April to try to squeeze 50 mpg out of the thing.
That is not a big deal, heck, I'm claiming you as a dependent on my tax return!
Is anyone able to report actual gas mileage? I'm interested in your experiences with the TDI's. Also, a question: Does the neck of the fuel tank in any way prevent one from putting regular gas into the TDI? I drive other cars and worry that I might inadvertently pump regular into a diesel. I saw this happen while in Vietnam and the damn vehicle drove like a bucking bronco.
I certainly would not take the deduction. Especially if claiming a credit for home office, or anything else that comes up as audit bait. (I prefer to sleep well, and rather not have to explain anything other than an honest mistake.) Like you, I am considering a purchase to beat the deadline. However, the TDI pickings are quite poor. There is always the A3 TDI.
Good luck.
it is possible to put gasoline into a TDI since a the gas nozzle is thinner than the diesel nozzle.
the gas mileage for a TDI is zero mpg.
but with diesel fuel, the diesel mpg will probably be between 40 mpg & 50 mpg.
Unless you live on an island with no VW dealers, please get your butt in the golf TDI seat and get back to us with your review.
Maybe compare the base-suspension gas model golf with the sport-suspension TDI golf?
Thank you for your consideration and best wishes to you and family in the new decade.
My salesman called on Friday to tell me that I had to take the Bluetooth option as VW considers it a "forced" option. We decided to split the $199. I knew that this option was coming on all TDI's from my previous shopping at other dealers so I was not surprised.
I asked him when I might get the car and he told me that he would have a better idea at the end of January. I'm seeing TDI's in other dealers' inventory within a 75 mile radius but not exactly what I've ordered.
I'm enjoying the anticipation of waiting and do want the car exactly as I've ordered it.
I was going to drive this car til the wheels fell off. Well 1-11-10 that is what happened.
It could have happened at 65 miles an hour down hill at 5:00 am. The front tire on the
drivers side was ok the passenger side front at a 90 degree angle. Thank fully it happened in the parking lot.
I had heard about clean Diesel for a great while Bio fuel and all that but all I saw
offered were triucks my brother had a diesel sorroco in the 70's. We had VW
Van's in the 60-70.
The TDI is in a class by itself. I looked at the La crosse but the seats were hard and getting 18 MPG in the OC is not so good. I have driven the TDI one day 75
miles and the tank is still full wow.
I actually sell precious metals for investment if this clean deisel gets known palladium will double. I love the spacious cabin and the light with panoramic roof.
I will report soon how my snark carried on top and bikes next time.
Buy it it is a thrill even for a 58 year old 6' 4" guy.
on the older "ventable tank" TDIS, they often the tdi can go 150 milesbefore the needle moved, after a refill/top-off/"vent".
some advice for you sir, probably you know already, but do not slack on the maintenance of your VWl, as you evidently/intentionally did with your buick's front suspension - there must not be a safety inspection in your state where they check tierods/etc!
a diesel scirocco is legendary!
sign me up after new diesel scirocco is homologated in USA. please, VW!
i am quite familiar with the early 1980s dasher diesel and rabbit diesel.
(the rabbit was yellow, most of the 1st-year rabbits were painted bright/da-glo colors as a marketing/advertising approach).
"I have made those adjustments you requested, the cold weather package and protection kit. So you're all set. I will keep you posted on the ETA, as I'm sure you're excited, these cars are really something."
It's okay. I'm a patient man. And I'm just saving more and more cash so my loan will be significantly smaller. At this rate, I'll be able to pay at least 50% of it in cash.
I keep checking out the other Seattle dealers, and only occasionally will I see a TDI Golf listed in their inventory. They're usually white (ugh). Even thier supply of gas Golfs seem to be quite thin.
At this point, I'm just hoping to get it by April.
Thanks for any comments...
(can't afford to buy new...)
I know it will last. 2010 got it Ibis white with corn silk interior.
Improvements needed. Homelink and extended sun visors.
Bought from Capistrano VW in Dana Point CA.
A mechanic 'looking at it' won't be much help for this person buying a car that should have had at least it's first timing belt already and is due for another one soon. To find out how much is left of the Cam Shaft, will the mechanic pull the valve cover?
Unless you know the guy that owned it, you will be driving a car that's a total mystery when it comes to sheduled services....got all the bills to prove it?
What kind of engine oil has been used, and at what intervals, if it's a DSG when was that fluid changed last, is the DMF making any little rattly sounds?
If you are looking for a used car that will keep you broke, buy a used Jetta TDI that you have no idea of when and what the services have been done on it.
If you are looking for an inexpensive used car that will only require a minimum of expensive services....keep on shopping.
And one more thing...
"They will likely cut corners at the dealership. And if it is not a VW dealership, I would not let them work on it".
if you figure out what that advice means, good luck
It means the dealership selling the car will likely spend as little as they have to on repairs. If it needs a timing belt, it should also get a new water pump. At least that is my understanding. The selling dealer may not do all that to get you in the driver's seat. And if it is anything but a VW dealer, I would not trust them to do any of the work on my VW TDI.
I agree it is probably nearing the second timing belt. They did not use the DSG back in 2003.
I would not buy any car with that many miles unless it was a classic. Sadly it seems the folks that cannot afford a new car end up getting screwed with someone else's problem car.
thanks
hieu
All other speculation about your question aside, such as inherent mechanical, electrical and reliability issues, use the above link to get an idea of how good or bad the 2003 Jetta TDI with 196,000 Km deal is.
My rough estimate using their appraisal site was......(all prices are in U.S. funds).
Trade in Value........$3900.00
Private Party sale...$5100.00
Dealer Retail..........$6375.00
Trade in Value........$6,112
Private Party sale...$7,676
Dealer Retail...........$9,136
When I was shopping for my 2006 Jetta TDI, I found that the 'Real World' pricing is on eBAy.
For some strange reason Edmunds tends to over value some models and undervalue others. (Don't forget, the "Exceptional Condition" is a used car pricing myth, they will gladly use it to sell you one but never will they give you that condition if they are taking it in trade)
This above listing might be close to how your car would look, this one already includes a new timing belt and water pump..no bids yet at $5000 but it's still got a day to go ( posted on Jan 28 2010)
Check out the "Completed Sales" to see what price range they are actually being sold for. I don't think eBay is any scarrier than dealing with a used car salesman, his manager, and his accountant. Craigslist is another rich source of pricing info.
We are coming off a 2000 Maxima GLE, which I love(d), with about 125,000 miles on it. When I was shopping for that one was probably the last time I was posting regularly here on Edmunds.
I'm in Northern VA area. If anyone posting here has any recommendations for dealers, I'm all ears. I've mostly owned Nissans and will be test-driving the Rogue in comparison with the Jetta SW.
If better mpg's are on your buying list...go for the new TDI, 42+ mpg in any of the VW incarnations that match your present and future needs.
If you decide on the Nissan Rogue, 24 mpg tops, you will spend the rest of your days putting gas in it and wishing you had waited for a TDI.
I think I've gone off the idea of the Rogue. Right now I'm liking the Subarus best, looking at Forester and Outback. Or the Passat wagon.
People who own Subies are as fanatical as any bunch I have ever met, so there must be lots of reasons.
I too stare everytime one goes flying by me blasting through snow drifts on the road.
I love the look of the new Legacy Wagons, so smooooth.
I don't think we will ever see the Subie Turbo Diesel in North American markets, even tho they build them in the U.S.
The Forester has great head room and looks like a little tank and in the top of the line 'leather-loaded' version should make you happy long after the payment$ are done.
I thought it was a misprint where they mistakenly printed MSRP on the ad, but this is what the dealer just emailed me. They're in the Guelph area of Ontario.
"[this] will clarify how and why we get to the asking price that we are advertising...
MSRP OPTIONS
AJ539M - Golf Wagon 2.0 TDI DSG Comfortline 6sp $28,275.00
4X4 - Rear Side Airbags $450.00
TOTAL MSRP $28,725.00
LESS: DISCOUNT ($515.00)
SUBTOTAL $28,210.00
DEALER OPTIONS AND CHARGES
* $0.00
Golf - No Chip Hoodguard $356.00
Golf Wagon - Premium Window Tint $449.00
Winter tires on existing alloys $660.00
Administration Fee $199.00
Freight and PDI $0.00
Auto Arm Security $99.00
Air Conditioning Tax $0.00
Ontario Tire Stewardship (5 tires) $29.20
Environmental Paint Protection $344.85
Interior Protection $299.95
Monster Mats $139.00
Nitro Safe with Tire-Guard Road Hazard Warranty $199.00
TOTAL SALES PRICE: $30,985.00
LESS: TRADE ALLOWANCE $0.00
PLUS: LEASE SHORTFALL ON TRADE $0.00
NET DIFFERENCE: $30,985.00
GST: $1,549.25
PST: $2,478.80
License Fee $10.00
LIEN PAYOUT / CASHBACK: $0.00
[GRAND TOTAL AFTER TAX]: $35,023.05 "
It looks like they have added every possible extra they could think of to get to this price. Even if it was a Highline I think it'd be high. Remember, it has 6kkm on it already. What price should I come back with? TIA.