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Disk brakes leave black dust? Hmmm I don't see any on mine. Course I wash my truck every two weeks. All depends on the pads.
I'm glad that the truck manufacturers are into marketing cause I'll take 4 wheel disk anyday over drums. Hell of a lot easier to work on too.
Dont get me started on the new RAM losing the solid front axle.... it is getting more de-trucked as I look at it deeper. (including losing rear DISK brakes) It is that stupid MARKETING again... getting in the way of technically-superiour designs.
I know people that use Cummins-RAMS for real work and severly dislike the de-trucking of it. Tell them about the value of rear-disk brake when trying to slow down a trailer with a bulldozer on it. (after going thru mud up to the frame)
It appears that Dodge is following the lead of Ford with its truck line... the base RAM is pretty much a toy... one must pay for the "heavy duty" version of the RAM to get a solid front axle and rear drum brakes.
I guess the marketing is for folks like you that do not want a REAL truck and prefer a carlike ride with disks all around... throw in those silly oversized wheels (but dont try to go over a curb... lest bust the wheel) Ill bet you even have an automatic tranny on your "truck" ;-)
No offense meant... if that is what people want to buy... so be it 8-)
Perhaps in some ways it is. Perhaps its not.
However, CR is looking at trucks as simply bigger versions of Camrys and expects them to perform as such. Just read their review and their criteria for a pickup in the issue where they waxed niceties about the Tundra!
I offer the following satire for entertainment as well as to prove a point:
CR....we like the 747 for comfort but its a gas hog and needs large amounts of real estate to park, take off, and land. Not to mention its not as reliable as a Camry and needs 2 pilots and a flight engineer to fly it. At this time, we cannot recommend the 747 as a viable aircraft.
CR....our top pick in this review is the F-18 Hornet. Boasting sophisticated radar, a short takeoff and landing plus excellent firepower, we rate it superior to the Boeing entry. Throw in the ability to take off from a carrier and you have a winner. Our CR "best buy" is the F-18.
Get my point? Apples to oranges here. Same with CR. THey see trucks as extensions of cars or perhaps compliments to cars and therefore expect them to perform like cars....tsk tsk.....
Finally, you say MARKETING is the evil here. Perhaps....but never forget ACCOUNTING has a BIG hand in the final design of a vehicle these days, be it car or truck. Maybe thats why the ram lost its solid front axle
This truck runs great!!! Despite some saying the 4.7 in RAM was underpowered, I thought it was more than adequate. In the Dakota Club Cab it is much more than adequate! I'll report my fuel consumption later in the week.
Anyway, this truck has the 26C package. The Sport Plus has standard heavy duty suspension (6010 GVWR), heavy front & rear stabilizer bars, 16 x 7 inch cast aluminum wheels, P245/70R16 tires, and other stuff. The 26C package includes 16 x 8 wheels, P245/70R16 On/Off Road tires, and some more stuff, but says the GVWR is 5350 lbs.
My question I pose to you ultra-knowledgeable Dakota folks is, what is my GVWR? I find it hard to believe that by going from 16 x 7 inch to 16 x 8 inch wheels and the on-road/off-road tires in the same size that I lose 660 pounds of GVWR, but that's what the invoice implies.
Any comments will be appreciated.
Thanks,
Dusty
Bookitty
Bookitty makes some good points. I'll add that the major and probably only advantage to disc brakes is in significant reduction of brake fade on long or repeated stops. A secondary advantage is the elimination of the brake adjustment factor for correct operation, especially on the front brakes.
Just about everything else are disadvantages. Caliper seizing is a very common problem, and in general disc braking systems are more susceptible to environmental impacts and subsequent maladies. They are not necessarily less expensive to maintain and service, nor necessarily easier to service. This depends on the model vehicle, of course.
Some in the service repair business will argue that brakes have always been a major problem in motor vehicles, and that is most certainly true. However, on vehicles equipped with front disc brakes and rear drums (a common configuration), the rear drum brakes are generally serviced far less.
Dusty
Bookitty
It has to be real tuff getting 90% of your paycheck if you get laid off. Wonder why trucks cost so much... just ask the guy making 75,000 per year to put seats in it.
anybody that has ever been in business for themselves, knows that labor is usually your greatest expense!
Blue
Once I saw my old mans paycheck (union I might add) and I did some math and it was no where near 75K a year. Wish it was however.
You're right, in addtion to the finance folks, we should look also at institutional shareholders and management at large. Mustn't forget those big time pay packages and exhorbitant stock options (regardless of the financial performance of the company, just look at Kmart!)Not to mention severance packages big enough to float the titanic. I wonder how many workers (the people who actually DO stuff) could be hired for the same amount a CEO gets paid these days. I would imagine quite a few.
You are right, labor is such a huge exepense, (Bob Lutz states in his book it amounts to 13% of the cost of building a car)something MUST be done.
It already has. Its called moving jobs offshore in search of lowest cost/highest quality. Might was well keep a good trend going right? After all, who needs an "industrial" economy in the information age? Who needs tomake a good living manufacturing things when you can do just as well in the service economy? Walmart's always hiring, always. How many towns and cities can function w/o the tax revenue and the business taxes (example Flint MI) when the jobs go overseas? Nothing like watching a factory close and people go begging for jobs only to have a walmart step in and save the day. How much is wal mart paying these days anyway?
I love to hear about the high cost of labor in this great republic of ours. All the analysts says if we could only get labor costs under control, we'd be world beaters. Funny, all those so called high quality workforces in the third world barely earn enough to sustain a consumer driven economy; thus those nations MUST export. And of course, in the never ending drive for lowest possible cost, we abide by 18th trade principles that most of the rest of the world ignores. Let the cheapest of the cheap come in here then scratch our heads when we cannot compete with 50 cents an hour slave labor elsewhere.
Why does the country that produced the likes of Eli Whitney, Thomas Edison, and Andrew Carnegie have such a tough time competing in machine tools, consumer electronics, and steel?
Is it all unions fault? If it is, where does boneheaded management decisions and the lust for even more $$$ come in to play? What about the cost of government regulation, Social Security contributions, and contribution to the clean air act? All these things cost money. As sam walton once said, keep your workforce happy and you won't have to worry about fighting a union.
Why can a guy like Jack Welch be idolized in the business world but no one looks twice at HIS huge salary an benefit packeage. Is one person really worth all that much? Oh, he is. I forgot how he got the nickname "Neutron Jack" (he "vaporized" jobs but left the buildings intact or so I read).
And unions are the problem.........uh huh.
I know this isn't a Quad Cab report, but my first 275 miles on 16.3 gallons (US) gave me 16.87 MPG. This was mixed driving, mostly around town, then some open rural roads. About 55 miles was expressway driving. It also included some full throttle demonstrations for interested parties, including my daughter who "lit the tires" up a few times.
I honestly didn't think I was going to get this mileage from watching the fuel gauge. The gauge just seems to drop steadily compared to my '93 Sentra.
A few observations:
Its real easy to overfill the tank. I'm use to clicking a few times after the nozzle shuts off automatically. I did this today and found a tenth of a gallon on the ground in no time.
There is next to no wind noise in this Dakota. In fact, I noticed that our '99 Avalon has more. A friend drove it today who still has a 1994 Dakota and the first thing he said was how quiet it was. Now the Goodyear SR-A Wranglers, unfortunately more than make up the difference. They are extremely noisy to me. Others said they were moderately noisy. I'm use to Michelins.
Handling is superb. I've never driven a truck that handles this well, of course with a nearly 2-inch front sway bar and a 3/4 inch rear, it should, I guess. The ride is stiff, but not punishing and not annoying. My anti-truck spouse has yet to complain.
Found an adhesive tag on the frame that had the vehicle serial number. My truck was on the line on 17 August. Not sure when it was shipped.
Regards,
Dusty
Not once did I say that the problem was the Union!!!!!!!! I said that if you were going to bash, then bash everybody involved. P.S. That includes the union. Notice how even in your response the only people not responsible for the problems seemed to be the union. Of course that was after you said that your tranny must have been built on friday. How was the accountant responsible for that one?
(deep breath)
I don't want to have a union vs. non-union debate. Just a couple of questions.
Do you have stocks? Retirement accounts? Want that money to grow? If you do then maybe your to blame... just like the rest of us. It's just not as easy as you think...keeping labor happy, consumers happy, stock holders (owners) happy. They all have different goals, short term at least.
You have obviously spent may hours reading about the likes of some of the "great" (i say that loosly) managers of our time. What would have happened it they didn't react like they did? Bankrupcy? Unable to compete? Unfortunetly I don't know!
Simply put.... I agree with a lot of what you have to say. Especially that we need to retain manufacturing within our borders!! But blame for our current situation needs to be placed on everybody.
That is all I'm trying to say!
Blue!
FWIW, my 2000 4.7L auto, 4x4 Quad Cab now has over 42k miles now, no problems whatsoever. Gas milage has slowly improved, up to over 18mpg on trips, despite the lead foot. It's been a great truck.
I've even finally gotten used to my 'beige' headliner .....
JeffK
Didn't mean to write a book here, but I felt compelled to say what I felt.
Just remember that my dad worked hard too, and the slights that you make to "white collar" workers does not justify your position.
Keep on truckin!
Blue
It justifies it at about the same rate as your slight to blue collar workers.
Bookitty
After I switched to full synthetic lube (RedLine) in both axles, xfer case and manual tranny, I got some more MPG out of it. The addition of a Borla catback seemed to give me another 1-2 MPG too.
I now can expect 18-20MPG on most trips My MPG s touched 21MPG (4.7L);-)
Needless to say, my accessory jack is now dead. There has to be a fuse for the accessory jack somewhere, but I can't seem to find it.
Any experiences or suggestions?
Thanks,
JeffK
2000 Quad Cab
A fuse panel (I think for interior devices) is on the extreme left side of the instrument panel. You will need to open the driver's door to access it.
Another fuse panel is in the engine compartment on the left side of the vehicle. there is a quick snap-off cover over it, although I suspect exterior fuses are located there.
Good luck,
Dusty
In the past couple of weeks I've installed a new HF ham radio rig in the QC and 100W driving lights on the safari bar, so I've been all over much of the wiring of the vehicle. I've kept and eye open for a fuse holder around the firewall and under the dash, but haven't found it yet.
The accessory jack fuse has got to be in some stupid simple place that I've blindly overlooked, .... which I'll immediately blame on my new bifocals.
JeffK
Dusty
I let my ticket expire several years ago, as working in commercial two-way day in and day out sort of burnt me out with it as a hobby for awhile. But am going to go test in the next few weeks and get back into it again. I'm very thankful for the new 5wpm rule. I think I'd rather have a root canal than slug through getting my speed up to 13wpm!
I installed a 706MKII (remoted) with an AH-4 tuner and 40m stick, lots of grounding w/3" copper strap, nice, quiet RX. Looking forward to trying it out in the near future!
73's
Jeff
Dick
I will try to bite my tongue when you bring it up again
Fuse # 4 in the Power Distribution Center also protects the rear window defroster and the power sideview mirrors as well as the Power Outlet. I would assume if your power mirrors work it is not this fuse.
Fuse #B in the Fuse/Relay Block only protects the Power Outlet. The $20,000 dollar question is where in the heck is the Fuse/Relay Block. The clue is it has 4 fuses, 1 relay and 1 flasher in it. It should be under the dash behind the Junction Block. If you turn on your turn signals or emergency flashers you should hear the combination flasher clicking. Follow the noise to the source and you will have found the Fuse/Relay Block there should be 10 amp fuses in positions A and D. There isn't a fuse shown in position C and the 20 amp fuse you are looking for is in position D.
Now if after checking the fuses and they are good only thing else that can be causing your problem is a bad ground or loose connector on the back of the Power Outlet.
Give me your address and I'll send the bill, Rick
Jeff
Thought of the Day: You should never criticize anyone until you've walked a mile in their shoes. That way, .... you'll be a mile away from them, and you'll have their shoes.
And I've talked to enough 4.7 owners that seem to indicate the same experience you've had. I guess if that's true, 16.87 on the first tank isn't so bad, and I think I'll be doing a little better on the second tank. But, I'm retiring a '93 Sentra that got me a minimum of 24 MPG, 30-34 MPG highway and I haven't had a car payment in eight years. I'm trying to remember that I realized the predictable economic shift when I went from a 1.6L econobox to a 235 HP V8 Truck that weighs 4016 pounds. But I guess I'm still going to go through withdrawal symptoms!
Regards,
Dusty
2nd tank, mixed city/country rural = 16.98
3rd tank, mixed, city/rural/interstate = 17.94
Rural driving was between 50-60mph. Interstate was 40 miles using cruise control set at 65.
Dusty
Thanks so much for your help! I had called three different dealer service departments, and they were all clueless. It's good to have the Power Outlet working again!
Jeff
P.S. - Just send the bill to Bookitty. He's retired now and really living the good life.
Bookitty, please forward address for billing! Rick
Bookitty
I have a 2001 QC, 4.7 V8, auto. tranny, 3.55 rear.; 22k miles.
Recently, the dealer "flashed" my computer to reprogram the engine; (to stop the engine "trembling" and restore idle speeds).
My mileage immediately dropped from 15~16 mpg in town down to 12~13 mpg in town (16 on the road). Within a month, the engine started trembling again AND the idle drops below 500 rpm when idling at traffic signals and the A/C compressor is NOT on.
I've been back to the dealer 2X. Dealer says they can't fix it b/c everything is controlled by the computer and they don't have another "flash" for it.
At first, dealer said I had a choice - live with the bad mileage OR re-install the old program. I asked him why I couldn't have it the way it was when I bought it 18 months ago. He was not amused.
Now, dealer tells me he must call the zone rep and ask him what to do - then call me back. That was over 2 weeks ago! I've been patient on this (since August). But, I'm ready to get this thing resolved.
I would appreciate any suggestions or insights.
THANKS!
FYI: I'm not a "tree-hugger"; but, I believe a V8 pickup should get better than 12~13 mpg in town. My old 1995 GMC gets about 18 mpg in town!!!
I had the flash done to mine to cure the loppy idle, cold start stalling. Both those symptoms went away yet my MPG stayed the same.
I wonder if they got the correct update? Its a known issue that CHrysler, in an attempt to cure spark knock, has a PCM update that really cranks back the ignition timing. Result? Lower MPG and often, a loss of performance.
I'd sit on their shoulders until you get some answers. Call daily if need be. Write letters to Chrysler. Insist on speaking to a zone rep.
The squeaky wheel gets the grease......sometimes!
Bookitty
I'm trying to build a relationship with a tech at my new dealer. (They let me scour through some service manuals and TSBs last week.) So far he's been a good source for technical information and appears to be rather straightforward and forthcoming about service related problems. I just ordered some accessories for the Dakota so I'll see if I can learn anything next time I'm down there.
Dusty
It took my dealer a while to get the correct flash, but once done, I never looked back. The truck ran great from that point on.
Perhaps you may be right; maybe Chrysler did get it right from the get go. Its tough to make a lean running motor run perfectly all the time I know. But still, other makes manage to pull this off and so should Chrysler.
Likes:
1) Utility - great combination of people
hauling capability and cargo hauling
capability
2) Size - not too big or too small.
3) Power - the 4.7L is just right for this
truck, whether running solo or towing 3000
lbs.
4) Ride and Handling - very comfortable long
distance cruiser. Very maneuverable for a
truck.
Dislikes:
1) Gas Mileage - I don't expect a 4x4 V-8 truck
to get 20 MPG, but the best highway mileage
I've seen while driving at 70 MPH is 16 MPG.
In mixed driving (50% highway/50% suburban)
the average is around 13.5. I don't have a
heavy foot and the truck only sees WOT 2-3
times per month. This is the first vehicle
that I have ever owned that did not meet or
exceed its EPA highway mileage rating.
2) Poor paint quality - the paint has more dust
specks in it than another other vehicle I've
owned. The past three vehicles I've owned (a
Mazda, Toyota, and Subaru) have all had
flawless paint jobs. Also, the Dakota's
paint is very fragile. It scratches very
easily. Dodge could learn something about
paint from Toyota.
Problems: Nothing major, but a few nits and quirks.
1) Occasionally harsh upshifts and downshifts
from transmission. Most problem occurs at
low speeds and light throttle. Not as bad
now as when new, but every now and then it
happens. When your wife comments about it,
you know it's bad!
2) Drivetrain Jerking - happens a couple of
times per week at between 45-55 MPH. It
feels like a one time cylinder misfire.
3) One time the transmission failed to go into
reverse. The gear indicator said "R", but
the transmission behaved as if in neutral.
Shifted from "R" to "D" and back and
problem went away.
4) Passenger side power window switch
occasionally fails to work.
5) Erratic idle - not as bad now as when it was
new. Once every couple of months the engine
will almost stall when shifting from "D"
to "P".
Wishes (features only) for Future Dakota QCs
1) 6ft bed.
2) More underseat storage.
3) Less plastic and more soft vinyl on interior
door panels and dashboard.
4) Doors that open less forcefully - I'm always
paranoid with the kids opening the doors
when parked next to other vehicles.
5) Better quality carpeting - this is the
cheapest looking carpet I've seen in any
vehicle recently.
6) Put the storage pocket back on the back of
the driver's seat. It went away in the 2002
model year. When traveling with two kids,
this is a nice to have feature.
7) Dual zone climate controls. The Durango has
it, why not the Dakota?
8) Rear seat heat/AC vents. Again, the Durango
has them.
9) More effective heat/AC. Climate control is
slow to respond to changes and not well
balanced. It also makes too much noise for
the volume of air flowing.
Overall, the likes outweigh the dislikes and I am happy with my choice. DC just needs to work on the powertrain refinements and some of the quality issues. Hopefully, the next year goes by as smoothly as the last year did.
I hit the road last Friday for my first long distance trip. I drove from the burbs of Detroit to Oneida Lake, Northeast of Syracuse, NY. I have absolutely no complaints about this vehicle. I averaged 16.7 mpg there and 15.9 mpg on the way back (strong head wind). I drove to NY to duck hunt with my mothers extended family. My dad has a sixteen foot flat bottom duck boat that I volunteered to tow up to lake Ontario. I hardly noticed to boat was there. (4.7, auto, 3.55). The QC work well because all the waders and coats fit into the rear of the cab with the seats folded up, and all the decoys were in the bed. We had to launch the boat on a 50 degree boat access that was slicker than Georgia clay. Not a problem in 4hi. Glad I had the door sills and the floor mats, as they are now covered with sand and mud.
At the end of the day, I think my dad was pondering purchasing his own QC.
Before the road trip, I change the oil. This was the first time I changed the oil. What a pain. I used a fabbed up 2-liter bottle which catches the oil coming out of the plug and drains it through the skid plate. It works, but there is a learning curve (I didn't watch it close enough and the last bit of oil drained on the skid plate). When replacing the oil filter, I hand tightened it. When I checked the filter the next day, it had a drop of oil at the end of it. A guy at work said his Durango did the same thing. He hand tightens the filter on his Ram, and it never leaks oil, but he has to wrench down the filter on his Durango. Oh well.
All in all, I'm extremely happy with my purchase.
Bookitty
I'd have a hard time believing that only but a very few people would consider the 4.7 inadequate.
Best of luck,
Dusty