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Question for the host: Since CAR & DRIVER confirmed that the GTR is coming in Spring of 08 and not 07 can be change the title of the thread to 2008 ?
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Rocky
Rocky
Sorry Rocky, you are off by 10 grand. :P
I'm going to laugh when some spoiled rich kid rolls up at a stop light in a GT-R and a 2008 or 09 Caddy CTS-V with 600 horsepower smokes em' like a cheap cigar :shades:
Rocky
I'm going to laugh when some spoiled rich kid rolls up at a stop light in a GT-R and a 2008 or 09 Caddy CTS-V with 600 horsepower smokes em' like a cheap cigar"
First of all, it is not G35 coupe, it is Porsche killer. GT-R eats Porsche for lunch and that is why it is called the Fastest Mass Production Car in the world period. Also, you can tune the car to 1000hp easily, so I think the Caddy CTS-V will be left in the dust :P
I don't think it will cost only 65K. With 500hp and twin turbo charged AWD, it is goiing to cost at least 75K to 80K since it probably targets Porsche Turbo.
You'll find the video on notgonnahappen.com. There is no way any 2-wheel-drive Cadillac could beat any GT-R off the line. The Caddy will either turn donuts at the light from all the torque steer and wheel hop, or the computer will turn that 600hp into 200hp and give the CTS driver a quick view of the GT-R's tail lamps.
I'll take you up on that race bumpy. If the new CTS-V stays around it's current price, I will buy one. You buy yourself a GT-R and we'll see.
Rocky
Rocky
1000 HP is achieveable in RB26DETT and has been done before. However, people are just quoting stuff from rumors and web site. In reality, it costs crap load of money and you seriously compromise reliability of the engine and drivetrain. Unless you like replacing engine, gear box, and crankshafts every other day you probably don't want 1000 HP GTR. Best GTRs are tuned to around 500 - 550 HP.
As far as CTS goes, it may be tunable to 600 HP but you are talking rear wheel drive. As with ALL rear wheel drive, you will have hard time putting down the all the power you have especially with that much power. With you get higher and higher with HP, traction becomes the biggest issue especially in the wet. That's why you never see AMGs achieve a real good 1/4 mile despite the fact they have crazy torque figures.
Just to prove that I'm not talking out of my a**, let me give a real situation. Could you dump clutch at 8000 RPM and still use all that 600 HP in a CTS-V? Nope. You will just spin tires and go nowhere. Well, I've done that in my GTR R33 (only 425HP) many times and put all the power down without a problem. In GTR, rear tire will squeal for 1/10th of second, all four tires hook up with the pavement and you are gone.
As far as Z06 goes, yes, it's a great car but it's still a Corvette. I would never be caught dead in a car with such a ugly butt. If you wanna ride a vette, all the power to ya.
Laguna Seca
A Nissan GT-R has All wheel drive which nissan/infiniti market awd 4k up from base rear wheel drives. Stock twin turbo/cover by warranty....retail 6k each turbo (retail) with warranty which brings the price now to 50k. If its a brand new chassis, engine and other goodies im quessing 12,-15k. My quess is 65k, anything more would be a joke, not that the car would not be worth it but rather a nissan badged cars listed at that high would cause interuption in their marketing effort in Infiniti cars. Sweet ride, but nothing to make me jump at it yet, be nice to compare this with the toyota LF series.
For now i'll stick with my Porsche, Nissan needs more work anyway. Owned a 350z 35th anniversary and the G35 good cars nothing Great though.
No Thanks......
Rocky
untill Nov 2007 as a production car, which is still a ways away
I have owned 2 G35 and 1 of them I fliped twice in the air and landed on the wheels well 3 wheels and the side of the left front one I sat there for 15 sec's opened my door just like normal got out and the lady and her two sons that were running towards me she said your suppose to be dead not one piece of the cheapo material broke off and exterior was not compromised totalled yes all passenger areas completly safe You start put that car in the 40k range it will not sell.
I agree that the skyline shouldn't be priced so high, cause I won't be able to afford one, but hey if they can garner that kinda cash for it, God Bless! I'm such a capitalist at heart!
-mike
That is like saying "why buy a Bentley when my minivan can hold more people and stuff at 1/10th the price?" Value isn't all numbers.
-mike
Is this where you are hiding mate.
Got some heavy duty goss for ya,
You may get your dream wheels yet.
Check out the G8 thread ;-)
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Can't wait to hear the stats on this puppy
'11 GMC Sierra 1500; '08 Charger R/T Daytona; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '08 Maser QP; '11 Mini Cooper S
Is there anyone here from Japan that knows how to get one?
- How much will this sucker Cost, including expected steelership markups?
- Will US Nissan Dealers sell for MSRP?
- Is Nissan (US) accepting deposits yet?
- What is avialability (how long to get one).
- Is it possible to get a shipment direct from Japan..like the European delivery rather than getting it from a dealer?
I fear, if the GTR is a very limited production car, it will demand well over sticker and will take a long time for delivery.
Thanks
-including expected markup? ummm... my guess is $90k.
-MSRP? Not bloody likely.
-dunno. probably some are.
-dunno. I wouldn't be surprised if wait lists already exceed first year production.
-no Japanese manufacturer offers Japan delivery ...yet. I believe it has something to do with European companies being able to deliver cars cheaper on their home turf, but Japanese don't? I dunno. Taxes or something. I'm sure there is an explanation in there somewhere.
'11 GMC Sierra 1500; '08 Charger R/T Daytona; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '08 Maser QP; '11 Mini Cooper S
1.) It will probably command serious markups pushing into Porsche $$. Given the attitudes I've received already from local Nissan dealerships, my guess is that markups will be likely.
2.) It will be limited production -> meaning long waiting times.
3.) It will probably be very high maintenance given its extreme complexity.
If the above prove to be true, it'll be a show stopper in terms of impacting Porsche 911 or BMW M3 sales. It may edge into Z06 sales though. The sad part is, it almost looked as if this Nissan would be kinda like a Robin Hood for poor auto enthusiasts. The thought of owning a supercar for $66k lifted many a poor enthusiast spirits. The disappointment will be crushing, especially if the performance and driving experience rumors prove out to be true.
Joseph
I will wait to see if GT-R lives up to its name. I think it will.
Cannot wait until 2010 to get my hands on GT-R.
The GT-R is a front-engine car; the Corvette is mid-engine. Therefore, more weight will be at the GT-R's front wheels, meaning a loss of steering feel (the main and only failing of the Z06). Corvette's mid-front setup means better steering feel, but still behind rear-engine cars like the Porsche 911 or mid/rear engine cars like the Porsche Cayman or the old Acura NSX.
The Z06 is still the more exotic out of the two (aluminum, magnesium and carbon fiber versus Nissan's steel frame), so we can expect the Z06-with a more rear-bias, will almost certainly guarantee the Z06 the better handler.
Any differing opinions from a technical standpoint?
Have you taken into account AWD v. RWD?
Are we talking on a road course? Highway? Drag?
I know I've ran laps around Z06s in my Legacy GT Wagon at Watkins Glen in anything but "picture perfect" conditions.
-mike
$69, 850 for the base model
and
$71,900 for the premium model
This includes the delivery charges. They will be taking pre-orders on January 1st, 2008 and will officially go on sale in June.
They will only be building 1,500 a year and will later announce the dealership locations of these bad boys
Have you taken into account AWD v. RWD?
Are we talking on a road course? Highway? Drag?
I know I've ran laps around Z06s in my Legacy GT Wagon at Watkins Glen in anything but "picture perfect" conditions."
Since the GT-R weighs in at 3,800 pounds (200 pounds more than most luxury cars in the $50,000 range and as heavy as the Buick V8 Lucerne) and the Corvette barely tests 3,000 pounds, we can expect both handling and performance to be better in the Corvette than the GT-R.
The GT-R does have AWD, but then again, so do most rally cars. This car should have been a Subaru, not a Nissan.